BigPretzel’s Crowded Closet

[BigPretzel]

Dental Assistant By:Freak Genetics
(Sweet tooth Auto X White Bread Auto)


This strain was a dream to grow. I popped 2 beans and both turned out female. She had a little trouble flipping herself. She showed sex and threw a few pistils but just wouldn’t go into it the whole way. Finally after talking to the breeder he said to manually flip them if I didn’t want them to get any bigger since space was a concern for me.
Flipped them at day 59 of veg and flowered them another 55 days. The yield on these was massive. It’s still drying so I cannot give a for sure weight but I’d guess around 5oz dry top buds alone and about an oz of popcorn buds.

Aroma-Speed Stick deodorant and musk
Flower time-55days
Pot size-3gal and 1/2gal
Medium-soil/coco/perlite
Nutes- General hydroponics floratrio, calmag, liquid seaweed
Training- took great to multiple topping and weekly defoliation as these girls grow fast.
These have become one of my favorite grows so we will be revisiting this strain very soon.

 

[BigPretzel]

Now that I’m finally all caught up this is what I currently have in the flower tent.

Dos Jelly
By: Briscos Bargain Beans

Week 3/4 of flower. To be honest I forgot to mark the dates for this whole grow. ?‍♂️

 

[BigPretzel]

Now that I’m finally all caught up this is what I currently have in the flower tent.

Dos Jelly (#1)
By: Briscos Bargain Beans
Week 3/4 of flower. To be honest I forgot to mark the dates for this whole grow. ?‍♂️ That aside these have been fantastic growers. I’ve let the pots get bone dry and the DJs were still praying while others were dropped to the main stem. I haven’t had a single tox or deficiency I didn’t purposely try to do. I’m really kicking my self in the ass that I don’t have more of these beans and only 2 of 5 were female. I’m really loving the quick frost and satellite bud sites. I’m gonna try To take these 2 girls till they are at least 70+ days to get the full yield potential from each of them.

 

[BigPretzel]

Copper Orgi S1
By: Briscos Bargain Beans
(Chem Pheno)


Week 3 of flower. She is just an absolute beauty of a plant. I was lucky enough to snag 2 clones from her. 1 of which is fully rooted the other has a bunch of little roots just none weaving through the jiffy plugs yet like #1.

I had 3 beans left of this strain sadly only 2 made it through. Each a little different then the other. The only problem I had with this whole grow was the stretch… I was not prepared for 3-5xs the length this strain stretches in flower the 2 weeks.

 

[BigPretzel]

Dragonfire Genetics testers
Planted-6/13/21
Photoperiod
Strain—SCGM9
Lineage—(Unknown)
Media-soil/coco/perlite 40:40:20
Germ rate— 80% 4/5
Nutes—GH flora trio+ recharge

 

[BigPretzel]

Ancestral Skunk (preservation pack)
Breeder: Unknown/Sebring Seeds
Germ Rate: 100% 3/3 within 48hrs of getting wet
I acquired these seeds from a charity site that you only have to pay shipping and the seeds are free. To be honest I didn’t have very high hopes for these since they were practically free. That was a big mistake. Because this gal is bringing back all that old skunky funky roadkill goodness I miss from smoking with old heads when I was a kid.

[WEEK 4 (day 30 of flower)]
The stem rub is very very putrid dead skunk.

I was really enjoying this grow, until this N tox happened 4 days ago. I have been giving it nothing but recharge +H2O @6.2-6.4ph every other day and a calmag+Bloom mix since. I really think I’m gonna have to start doing single strain runs with multiple plants that way this doesn’t happen and I don’t have to mix up 10 different batches to each plants needs. If anyone has any other idea or a way they do it that works I’m always down to learn or try new things.
[WEEK 4 (Day30 of flower)]

 

[Gentlemancorpse]

Ancestral Skunk (preservation pack)
Breeder: Unknown/Sebring Seeds
Germ Rate: 100% 3/3 within 48hrs of getting wet
I acquired these seeds from a charity site that you only have to pay shipping and the seeds are free. To be honest I didn’t have very high hopes for these since they were practically free. That was a big mistake. Because this gal is bringing back all that old skunky funky roadkill goodness I miss from smoking with old heads when I was a kid.
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[WEEK 4 (day 30 of flower)]
The stem rub is very very putrid dead skunk.

I was really enjoying this grow, until this N tox happened 4 days ago. I have been giving it nothing but recharge +H2O @6.2-6.4ph every other day and a calmag+Bloom mix since. I really think I’m gonna have to start doing single strain runs with multiple plants that way this doesn’t happen and I don’t have to mix up 10 different batches to each plants needs. If anyone has any other idea or a way they do it that works I’m always down to learn or try new things. View attachment 72846
[WEEK 4 (Day30 of flower)]

What were you feeding before? And what's your potting mix? I only ask because I'm not 100% convinced it's N toxicity. I'd probably flush her completely with just water either way. CalMag still has a good bit of N in it usually.

 

[BigPretzel]

What were you feeding before? And what's your potting mix? I only ask because I'm not 100% convinced it's N toxicity. I'd probably flush her completely with just water either way. CalMag still has a good bit of N in it usually.

I was only feeding it the average GH flora schedule at 2/3 strength. I ran just ph’d water through her for about 4 days and they are in #1 pots so like 2-3qt pots it don’t take much to flush them out. Then after I did that I’ve been alternating the calmag and bloom with plain water some days and recharge 2-3xs a week. My calmag is a 2-0-0 amd my bloom is a 0-5-3 I’m pretty positive.

This combo is the lowest I could get my nutes without having to eliminate the calmag which I’m pretty sure I need in the regimen I’m using since I use a soil/coco mix and if I don’t use it every other at least I get a magnesium deficiency.

If you have an idea on how I can get this plant back to its original glory?what do you think it is?

To me it looks like it has a N tox and some kind alock out causing a phosphorus deficiency. But honestly I’m at a loss for reasons. Right now. I have just been slowly decreasing everything since it’s getting close to 40 days now

 

[JL2G]

I was only feeding it the average GH flora schedule at 2/3 strength. I ran just ph’d water through her for about 4 days and they are in #1 pots so like 2-3qt pots it don’t take much to flush them out. Then after I did that I’ve been alternating the calmag and bloom with plain water some days and recharge 2-3xs a week. My calmag is a 2-0-0 amd my bloom is a 0-5-3 I’m pretty positive.

This combo is the lowest I could get my nutes without having to eliminate the calmag which I’m pretty sure I need in the regimen I’m using since I use a soil/coco mix and if I don’t use it every other at least I get a magnesium deficiency.

If you have an idea on how I can get this plant back to its original glory?what do you think it is?

To me it looks like it has a N tox and some kind alock out causing a phosphorus deficiency. But honestly I’m at a loss for reasons. Right now. I have just been slowly decreasing everything since it’s getting close to 40 days now

I was looking at the plant and such, putting the ol' brain to work as best I can. Lol.
I'm thinking the N is fine, and it's a P deficiency/lockout your dealing with, maybe a bit of other things, but I agree with that diagnoses you made.
Have you done a slurry test to see where the soil/coco pH sits at using RO or distilled water?
Do you use RO water, or tap?
My tap is super high in Calcium, and has a fair bit of iron in it as well.
In soil, at higher pH levels (7.3+) calcium can bind with phosphorus, and at lower pH (6.3-) it can bind up with Iron, and/or aluminum. Either of which make it unavailable, or hard to use at the very least for plants.

Hope maybe that can help. ?

 

[Gentlemancorpse]

I'm with @JL2G, I think your N was fine. With such a small container I'm wondering what your root zone pH is. A slurry test isn't a bad idea. Or if you have a soil pH probe even better. What's the pH of your runoff when you run straight pHed water through? Sometimes when your using those bottles nutes you get salt build ups in the soil which can cause issues with pH even if your nute mix is balanced. It's a big part of why I switched to dry nutes, I found bottled salts and small containers are a balancing act, and I'm too lazy for that shit. I don't even pH my mixes anymore. And I almost never need CalMag even in straight coco.

And for future reference, the reasons I don't think it's N toxicity are the lower leaves yellowing and the upper leaves yellowing intravenously from the center of the leaves... N toxicity usually causes yellowing from the leaf tips back. Also while you do have the tell tale clawing and glossy leaves, some of your leaves are twisting which isn't a typical sign of N toxicity (at least in my experience).

 

[JL2G]

I'm with @JL2G, I think your N was fine. With such a small container I'm wondering what your root zone pH is. A slurry test isn't a bad idea. Or if you have a soil pH probe even better. What's the pH of your runoff when you run straight pHed water through? Sometimes when your using those bottles nutes you get salt build ups in the soil which can cause issues with pH even if your nute mix is balanced. It's a big part of why I switched to dry nutes, I found bottled salts and small containers are a balancing act, and I'm too lazy for that shit. I don't even pH my mixes anymore. And I almost never need CalMag even in straight coco.

And for future reference, the reasons I don't think it's N toxicity are the lower leaves yellowing and the upper leaves yellowing intravenously from the center of the leaves... N toxicity usually causes yellowing from the leaf tips back. Also while you do have the tell tale clawing and glossy leaves, some of your leaves are twisting which isn't a typical sign of N toxicity (at least in my experience).

Yep, that's what I saw as well.
Those dark leaves and burnty edges says P def to me, and the items you'd mentioned too.
I've been in that boat before, soil pH messing me all up. Lol.

 

[BigPretzel]

Yep, that's what I saw as well.
Those dark leaves and burnty edges says P def to me, and the items you'd mentioned too.
I've been in that boat before, soil pH messing me all up. Lol.

All of what you said makes sense. All my other plants look pretty good in comparison I just took picks today so I’ll show what she looks like now…(tbh not a whole lot better) the only other plant I’m having problems with s little is the copper Orgi S1 that one is clawing too. No dark leaves or necrosis on leaves but when the pots get a little too dry they get a magnesium deficiency super fast.

As for water I use regular tap water that comes out at 170ppm my water has sulfur in it bad if I use the hot because my hot water heater need new anodes I guess and I’m lazy atm. So I strictly use the cold that smells fine and comes out at 7.8 or 8 ph and 160ppm I think it has chlorine in it so I throw it in a 5gal and bubble it iver night.

mom gonna look up a slurry test. I’ve never done one and to be honest I’ve never even measured my run off as this is the first time I’ve actually had a deficiency I could t fix within a week. I’m pretty positive you guys are right about the potassium deficiency because I cut the nutes down a tremendous amount and ran water or recharge+water threw her for days. To make sure if it was a build up or tox it would of been flushed out.

My roots look super healthy bit crowded as hell. I do t have a soil ph meter as my last one was fucking junk and always said my medium was at 7.4-7.6ph but it said that in every soil/coco and in every pot outside my house. So is there a really good soil probe to get? What should my medium ph be?
another issue is These plastic pots just let them grow round and round with no end in site so I’m sure I probably have a little root bound problem too.

does anyone think I could maybe just put it in a bigger pot. Not touch the roots or anything just pull it straight out slide it into a 2 gal bag with some mycorrhiza sprinkled in the roots? I know it’s late in the game to be talking transplant but I’ve don’t practically everything else I can think of. Except give it more P.

 

[Gentlemancorpse]

I don't think I'd try transplanting this late in flower myself. I think you can get her back on track. Start by pHing your runoff. It's easiest because it's the same as doing your nute mix. If the runoff is significantly different than the nute mix, your root zone pH needs to be addressed. For the slurry test, all you do is dilute some of your medium from the pot until it can be tested with a liquid pH meter or litmus strips, you'll find plenty of guides online. It's more reliable than relying solely on runoff.

But a good meter is the most reliable. This is the best one I've owned:

Bluelab BLU2216 Pen Soil Coco Rockwool Solution Easy Calibration LCD Display for sale online | eBay

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It's not cheap, but it's super reliable and easy to calibrate. It does liquids as well as soil or coco/peat. It is a bit of a hassle to maintain because you have to remember to keep the probe wet (you fill the cap with storage solution). I will emphasize it's not necessary though. You can fix these issues without it, but it does make it much easier.

Oh, and by the way, if you are having soil pH issues, you actually just resolve it by flushing the medium with plain water until you raise the pH of the runoff to the range you want.

Edit: for whatever reason the link to the Bluelabs Pen kept breaking, so here's a link to the same thing on eBay

 

[JL2G]

All of what you said makes sense. All my other plants look pretty good in comparison I just took picks today so I’ll show what she looks like now…(tbh not a whole lot better) the only other plant I’m having problems with s little is the copper Orgi S1 that one is clawing too. No dark leaves or necrosis on leaves but when the pots get a little too dry they get a magnesium deficiency super fast.

As for water I use regular tap water that comes out at 170ppm my water has sulfur in it bad if I use the hot because my hot water heater need new anodes I guess and I’m lazy atm. So I strictly use the cold that smells fine and comes out at 7.8 or 8 ph and 160ppm I think it has chlorine in it so I throw it in a 5gal and bubble it iver night.

mom gonna look up a slurry test. I’ve never done one and to be honest I’ve never even measured my run off as this is the first time I’ve actually had a deficiency I could t fix within a week. I’m pretty positive you guys are right about the potassium deficiency because I cut the nutes down a tremendous amount and ran water or recharge+water threw her for days. To make sure if it was a build up or tox it would of been flushed out.

My roots look super healthy bit crowded as hell. I do t have a soil ph meter as my last one was fucking junk and always said my medium was at 7.4-7.6ph but it said that in every soil/coco and in every pot outside my house. So is there a really good soil probe to get? What should my medium ph be?
another issue is These plastic pots just let them grow round and round with no end in site so I’m sure I probably have a little root bound problem too.

does anyone think I could maybe just put it in a bigger pot. Not touch the roots or anything just pull it straight out slide it into a 2 gal bag with some mycorrhiza sprinkled in the roots? I know it’s late in the game to be talking transplant but I’ve don’t practically everything else I can think of. Except give it more P.

Here s a good link that has directions, and a video as well that'll walk you through a slurry test. Has alot of other good info on the page as well.

The Ultimate Soil pH Testing Guide

blog-hannainst-com.cdn.ampproject.org

An up potting would for sure help, giving new area to grow in where there's not issues happening, but the problem may still persist, and or happen again. You may be close enough to do that and just ride it out imho though. You were only a few weeks away wasn't it?
Have you tried giving Epsom for your mg, and skipping the calcium addition from cal mag, and then a Phosphorus only fert?
Giving her only mg and P.
When I've had lockout I flush a number of times, using 3 to 5 times the water that my pot takes. I also stop all nutrient additions except what I seem to be missing. If it works I know my guess was right. Lol.

 

[JL2G]

I don't think I'd try transplanting this late in flower myself. I think you can get her back on track. Start by pHing your runoff. It's easiest because it's the same as doing your nute mix. If the runoff is significantly different than the nute mix, your root zone pH needs to be addressed. For the slurry test, all you do is dilute some of your medium from the pot until it can be tested with a liquid pH meter or litmus strips, you'll find plenty of guides online. It's more reliable than relying solely on runoff.

But a good meter is the most reliable. This is the best one I've owned:

Bluelab BLU2216 Pen Soil Coco Rockwool Solution Easy Calibration LCD Display for sale online | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Bluelab BLU2216 Pen Soil Coco Rockwool Solution Easy Calibration LCD Display at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

It's not cheap, but it's super reliable and easy to calibrate. It does liquids as well as soil or coco/peat. It is a bit of a hassle to maintain because you have to remember to keep the probe wet (you fill the cap with storage solution). I will emphasize it's not necessary though. You can fix these issues without it, but it does make it much easier.

Oh, and by the way, if you are having soil pH issues, you actually just resolve it by flushing the medium with plain water until you raise the pH of the runoff to the range you want.

Edit: for whatever reason the link to the Bluelabs Pen kept breaking, so here's a link to the same thing on eBay

All good info mang, agreed I think he can get er back on track. I have had pretty good luck up potting that far in flower though too, get some new dirt on site while the other issue is being worked on.

 

[Gentlemancorpse]

All good info mang, agreed I think he can get er back on track. I have had pretty good luck up potting that far in flower though too, get some new dirt on site while the other issue is being worked on.

That's good to know actually. I always had issues when I transplanted after the first two weeks. Even if there's no stress the roots never seem to fill the new medium much. But I'm also kind of a hack so that very well could be on me lol

 

[JL2G]

That's good to know actually. I always had issues when I transplanted after the first two weeks. Even if there's no stress the roots never seem to fill the new medium much. But I'm also kind of a hack so that very well could be on me lol

I've torn apart the rootballs after harvest to see how much they'd spread into the new soil. Some have done more than others, but all of them have had an old vs new definitive line in the root ball. So yeah, not near as much root growth as you'd see in veg or early flower.
I dunno if it makes a difference with the root growth and up potting during flower, but I'm most all organics here, ROLS. Is that your MO as well?

 

[Gentlemancorpse]

I've torn apart the rootballs after harvest to see how much they'd spread into the new soil. Some have done more than others, but all of them have had an old vs new definitive line in the root ball. So yeah, not near as much root growth as you'd see in veg or early flower.
I dunno if it makes a difference with the root growth and up potting during flower, but I'm most all organics here, ROLS. Is that your MO as well?

I'm currently organic but not ROLS. Just ammended Roots with periodic top dressings. But I switch things up frequently. I was doing coco/perlite up until a few months ago. Trying to find that happy medium between quick vegetative growth and yield vs maximizing terps haha

 

[BigPretzel]

Ancestral Skunk Day

I'm with @JL2G, I think your N was fine. With such a small container I'm wondering what your root zone pH is. A slurry test isn't a bad idea. Or if you have a soil pH probe even better. What's the pH of your runoff when you run straight pHed water through? Sometimes when your using those bottles nutes you get salt build ups in the soil which can cause issues with pH even if your nute mix is balanced. It's a big part of why I switched to dry nutes, I found bottled salts and small containers are a balancing act, and I'm too lazy for that shit. I don't even pH my mixes anymore. And I almost never need CalMag even in straight coco.

And for future reference, the reasons I don't think it's N toxicity are the lower leaves yellowing and the upper leaves yellowing intravenously from the center of the leaves... N toxicity usually causes yellowing from the leaf tips back. Also while you do have the tell tale clawing and glossy leaves, some of your leaves are twisting which isn't a typical sign of N toxicity (at least in my experience).

Here s a good link that has directions, and a video as well that'll walk you through a slurry test. Has alot of other good info on the page as well.

The Ultimate Soil pH Testing Guide

blog-hannainst-com.cdn.ampproject.org

An up potting would for sure help, giving new area to grow in where there's not issues happening, but the problem may still persist, and or happen again. You may be close enough to do that and just ride it out imho though. You were only a few weeks away wasn't it?
Have you tried giving Epsom for your mg, and skipping the calcium addition from cal mag, and then a Phosphorus only fert?
Giving her only mg and P.
When I've had lockout I flush a number of times, using 3 to 5 times the water that my pot takes. I also stop all nutrient additions except what I seem to be missing. If it works I know my guess was right. Lol.

Ok thanks for all the info and your totally right about using epsom… idk why but I always forget I even have that stuff. I’m so used to just grabbing a bottle. But I will totally do the big flush and retry. I think you may be right about ph. I went and bought a meter today as mine was broken.
the Ancestral Skunk ph= 7-8
Copper Orgi (woke up to the whole plant yellow and clawing) PH= 8
All the others were between 6-7 so I know they are good. Idk what I did differently to these two that I didn’t do to the others if anything but the ph is definitely off and I’m pretty sure they are both root bound. It’s nothing but roots in those pots.
And to answer the flowering question yes I’m unsure of the exact date they are at because so much was going on when I flipped EM but I’d have to say between day 42-50 as of today. Somewhere in there. So I do t have long to go.

 

[BigPretzel]

Thanks @Gentlemancorpse and @JL2G all great info. Im appreciative about the willingness to help.
So far I’ve test soil Ph was definitely off ranging from 7-8 so tomorrow I’m gonna do a slurry test and test the run off to make sure I check every box and get a better more accurate reading.

I also flushed the medium before but I’m beginning to think maybe it didn’t flush as much as just run the fuck out the bottom before the medium could really saturate and flush fully. It looked fully wet and was heavy but I’ve had plenty of times where I thought I watered to run off with these pots to pull the plant out a bit and see the sides are bone dry.
This is also my first time ever trying to take a plant the whole way to harvest in such a small pot that wasn’t an auto.

Im thinking I got a build up somewhere or a tox that is causing a lock out. I know my ph is a little high so I’m gonna fix that first then go from there and hit every point you guys said about

THE PLAN:
1.slurry/run off test
2.flush properly and let media rest to absorb all the water and truly flush out salt
3.if no change use only mag/P to make sure it’s not a calcium or N tox
4. Up pot.
5. Fuck it and harvest the bitch(last resort)