Breeding, what's really involved?

Psychobilly

🧀Muenster
Man how you guys gonna have 3 conversations a day after I post? LOL I can't keep up.

The Wine..... Distill it and I'll totally have a sip! I'm German and Irish but not big on Wine really; More Beer, or Bourbon, or other Whiskeys, and of course, actual Corn Liquor as long as the proof is up a bit (That 100 proof stuff is too sweet)

Next up the Pastafarians..... LOL Amarok you make me giggle.

Also congrats to everyone who's better off without the alcohol.

I know you guys are trying to stay on topic so I won't be offended if no one replies to that part^

OK so lets say I'm starting up seeds, and end up with a Male UK Cheese, and I get a Female GMO, and I let them both mature, or simply switch them to Flower / Bloom once they're a little bigger, the pollen from the male would stick to the Resin and the female would seed up, and I wouldn't have a new strain but a cross then?

I think I'm getting the "wrong end of the stick" somewhere here but this is something I'd like to learn more about. Also if any of you ever crosses UK Cheese and GMO PLEASE let me know! the smell that could end up having....Whew!

I think what's messing me up on this is reading "genetics" like how Blueberry X Mazar-I-Shariff is commonly known as Skywalker, and I understand they probably put more effort in than I'm describing, but at the same time, a packet of Skunk #1 Seeds is how we got UK Cheese (Phenotype)....This is pretty interesting to be Honest since theoretically every time we pop a seed a whole new Phenotype might come up.

I know a little about that, and I know the last two years of me growing clones of Blue Cheese, they have smelled a LOT different from what I'm currently getting from my two Seedlings this year and the 5 clones I took off one of them; The smell this year is undeniable and easy to tell even from the other side of the yard; SOUR Cheese smell, with a sweet Blueberry like smell (As you'd expect from Blue Cheese) but the "sour" Cheese scent I can smell on them right now is a LOT more pungent than I'm used to and......If I think about that long enough I'd probably start drooling.... Or I'll end up hacking off a branch and hanging it so I can see what it's tasting like haha.

Does that mean if I wanted to breed a new strain, I'd get a bunch of seed A, and a bunch of seed B, pop them, grow them, select the "traits" being displayed that I want, and then take the best males and females with those traits, and let them pollinate, and then continue popping seeds and "weeding out" the ones that aren't what I'm looking for ? Am I getting there?
 

InfiniteIndo

In Bloom
The Wine..... Distill it and I'll totally have a sip! I'm German and Irish but not big on Wine really; More Beer, or Bourbon, or other Whiskeys, and of course, actual Corn Liquor as long as the proof is up a bit (That 100 proof stuff is too sweet)

Next up the Pastafarians..... LOL Amarok you make me giggle.

Also congrats to everyone who's better off without the alcohol.

I know you guys are trying to stay on topic so I won't be offended if no one replies to that part^

OK so lets say I'm starting up seeds, and end up with a Male UK Cheese, and I get a Female GMO, and I let them both mature, or simply switch them to Flower / Bloom once they're a little bigger, the pollen from the male would stick to the Resin and the female would seed up, and I wouldn't have a new strain but a cross then?

I think I'm getting the "wrong end of the stick" somewhere here but this is something I'd like to learn more about. Also if any of you ever crosses UK Cheese and GMO PLEASE let me know! the smell that could end up having....Whew!

I think what's messing me up on this is reading "genetics" like how Blueberry X Mazar-I-Shariff is commonly known as Skywalker, and I understand they probably put more effort in than I'm describing, but at the same time, a packet of Skunk #1 Seeds is how we got UK Cheese (Phenotype)....This is pretty interesting to be Honest since theoretically every time we pop a seed a whole new Phenotype might come up.

I know a little about that, and I know the last two years of me growing clones of Blue Cheese, they have smelled a LOT different from what I'm currently getting from my two Seedlings this year and the 5 clones I took off one of them; The smell this year is undeniable and easy to tell even from the other side of the yard; SOUR Cheese smell, with a sweet Blueberry like smell (As you'd expect from Blue Cheese) but the "sour" Cheese scent I can smell on them right now is a LOT more pungent than I'm used to and......If I think about that long enough I'd probably start drooling.... Or I'll end up hacking off a branch and hanging it so I can see what it's tasting like haha.

Does that mean if I wanted to breed a new strain, I'd get a bunch of seed A, and a bunch of seed B, pop them, grow them, select the "traits" being displayed that I want, and then take the best males and females with those traits, and let them pollinate, and then continue popping seeds and "weeding out" the ones that aren't what I'm looking for ? Am I getting there?

I'd say a new cross is a new strain.. I don't quite get the sentiment of needing to continue the cross for generations for it to be considered a strain. And you hit the pistils of the female with pollen not the resin. If you pollinate a female too early you won't get many seeds the sweet spot is around 3 weeks or so.. so that's something to keep in mind.

UK Cheese may be one of the earliest examples of naming a phenotype as if it were a totally different strain when it's really just Skunk #1. That's pretty popular to do now.
 

Psychobilly

🧀Muenster
I'd say a new cross is a new strain.. I don't quite get the sentiment of needing to continue the cross for generations for it to be considered a strain. And you hit the pistils of the female with pollen not the resin. If you pollinate a female too early you won't get many seeds the sweet spot is around 3 weeks or so.. so that's something to keep in mind.

UK Cheese may be one of the earliest examples of naming a phenotype as if it were a totally different strain when it's really just Skunk #1. That's pretty popular to do now.

Thanks! I'd really like to give this a go at some point when I can setup something separate from everything else so I don't screw up and pollinate my whole area by mistake but I'm pretty sure I don't have the ability as of yet. I have some ideas for different strains I'd love to make a cross of and see how they turn out.

And for UK Cheese, has anyone ever popped seeds of that and gotten the usual Skunk smell back? Or do phenotype seeds usually keep those traits? UK Cheese has a taste and smell and effects I really like, but I'm still learning this part, so I'm not sure if the Terpenes would be the same for say, UK Cheese and Skunk #1, but wouldn't it stand to reason the Terpene profile would be pretty close?
 

Kanzeon

In Bloom
Thanks! I'd really like to give this a go at some point when I can setup something separate from everything else so I don't screw up and pollinate my whole area by mistake but I'm pretty sure I don't have the ability as of yet. I have some ideas for different strains I'd love to make a cross of and see how they turn out.

And for UK Cheese, has anyone ever popped seeds of that and gotten the usual Skunk smell back? Or do phenotype seeds usually keep those traits? UK Cheese has a taste and smell and effects I really like, but I'm still learning this part, so I'm not sure if the Terpenes would be the same for say, UK Cheese and Skunk #1, but wouldn't it stand to reason the Terpene profile would be pretty close?

The only space I give my dudes is in a 2x2 tent, in 1/2 pint pots. They really don't need much.

Any cross with male and female plants will have a wide range of phenotypes in the F1 and F2 generations. It's the phenotypical selection that creates eventual homozygosity, if that's desired.

So in theory, a cross of UK Cheese and GMO would show a variety of phenotypes, depending on which plant is used as a mother. To make the maximum number of phenos for a cross you can also use both strains as both mother and father (Gmo x Cheese) and (Cheese x GMO), as any cross tends to lean towards the mother genetically more than the father. Whether you do open pollination or selective branch pollination depends on your space and needs. I just paint a few lower branches when they're spitting white pistils, LABEL THEM, and monitor them for seed maturity.

So then from those phenos, you pick the dudes and ladies that closest match what you're looking for in terms of structure, terps, high, etc.

Backcrossing will slightly reduce heterozygosity, using reversed fem pollen will reduce it further and eventually lead to a homozygous line.

Don't overthink it. It's just plant bukkake. :D
 
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Amarok

bad mother chucker
Staff member
Moderator
OK so F1 and F2, is that like a "Generation" of a cross? And if I understand this right, then I could take a GMO Female, and a Cheese Male, and it would probably lean more towards GMO ? Not even gonna lie, I'm now wondering if I'd name a strain Cheese Bukkake LOL
Have you read this? It may answer some of your questions.

 

Psychobilly

🧀Muenster
Thanks for the info guys; From what I saw it seems they used selective breeding to go back and forth until they had what they wanted. Or at least that is how that "Family Tree" looked. I'm downloading the Book right now and will take a look at it next time I have a chance. I'm thinking I'm gonna be busy soon though, LOL, Blue Cheese and Chem D looked like they were just about ready to start cutting when I looked at the Resin about 2 days ago. Looking forward to the sticky everything..... That Blue Cheese has so much Resin on it I'm gonna end up looking like Clark W. Griswald when he cuts the rope on the Griswald Family Christmas Tree, and then is laying in bed as every page of the magazine he's looking at is ripped out hahahaha.

Another question I can't help but wonder; If you took Skunk #1 and X UK Cheese, would it still be like Blue Cheese since UK Cheese is a Phenotype ? Has anyone done any crosses with strains that were essentially Phenotypes ?
 
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