Chemdog !!!

[Psychobilly]

Found this on YouTube and *Swoon* hahahaha!



Pbud saying he bought a pound.... ohhhhh to sniff that bag!

 

[Psychobilly]

Ok I'm stopping for a bit cause this is over 2 hours long but hearing about a tee shirt with a milk carton saying Chemdog is missing lol. I'd tap that dude on the shoulder too.... honestly though this is my first time seeing their faces. I read a lot about Chemdog and have talked about my love of the strains I've had but I literally had no idea what they even looked like...

Question; the 13 seeds thing... so that would mean Chemdog and Chem D and the like were hermie seeds; do those traits ever leave ? Like if the stain was ran from seeds over and over again without outside stresses, would that trait in the genetics retreat? Or disappear?

Still learning about how seeds and genetics in general play out.

Also could they be stabilized? Without adding additional genetics?

 

[HBZ]

Now don't quote me on this because I don't know the answer for sure..But in my experience Ive grown lots of Chem..I'm very picky when selecting plants that will hit the breed tent..I've made lots of crosses and I've never used a female plant that wasn't anything less than pure ass female...Even Chem x chem..That being said I have never seen any male parts on any of the Chem I keep these days...So I'm my opinion the trait definitely retreats with selection...but I have no science backing this just what I've seen with my own eyes

 

[Psychobilly]

Now don't quote me on this because I don't know the answer for sure..But in my experience Ive grown lots of Chem..I'm very picky when selecting plants that will hit the breed tent..I've made lots of crosses and I've never used a female plant that wasn't anything less than pure ass female...Even Chem x chem..That being said I have never seen any male parts on any of the Chem I keep these days...So I'm my opinion the trait definitely retreats with selection...but I have no science backing this just what I've seen with my own eyes

Thank you bro! I was kind of thinking that was how it would go eventually; I mean, from what I've read, the plant usually hermies based on outside stressors making the plant get more and more concerned for it's genetic well being, and in response to those stressors, it hermies out in a last attempt to save it's line and makes seeds. From what I understand the seeds are 95% chance to be hermie as well (I think I read it does this because of conditions the plant was in making it stress in the first place) and so the conditions and environment take their toll on the plant and it seeds up and passes that trait on, but it would stand to reason that eventually, through selective careful running of said seeds, that if they aren't stressed out, after some generations of running without that stress, it would retreat the hermie part of the genes.

I think if I was better at breeding I'd probably be able to word my questions better but I try LOL. Thanks bro And being that you may well be near by with all that Chem..... If you see a chunky dude with long hair and a beard sniffing around the area don't shoot LOL.

 

[HBZ]

Thank you bro! I was kind of thinking that was how it would go eventually; I mean, from what I've read, the plant usually hermies based on outside stressors making the plant get more and more concerned for it's genetic well being, and in response to those stressors, it hermies out in a last attempt to save it's line and makes seeds. From what I understand the seeds are 95% chance to be hermie as well (I think I read it does this because of conditions the plant was in making it stress in the first place) and so the conditions and environment take their toll on the plant and it seeds up and passes that trait on, but it would stand to reason that eventually, through selective careful running of said seeds, that if they aren't stressed out, after some generations of running without that stress, it would retreat the hermie part of the genes.

I think if I was better at breeding I'd probably be able to word my questions better but I try LOL. Thanks bro And being that you may well be near by with all that Chem..... If you see a chunky dude with long hair and a beard sniffing around the area don't shoot LOL.

I got 8 seedlings of chem 4 f2 (female) x Mandala 8 mile high f3 (male) That I'm checking out now....If I come across a worthy female I'm hitting her with the Chem D A5/Thai cross male....Ide be happy to throw ya some seeds from that cross when they are done....if I don't find a very worthy female I'll pop another 8 but I doubt that's going to happen

 

[HBZ]

I'll be working this lil Chem line untill I have a very Chem Dom BUT very far on the sativa side

 

[Psychobilly]

Yeah bro I'd LOVE that! That sounds like a pretty fun project too. I know I've seen a bunch of web sites saying Chemdog is a Sativa, but in my experience with Chem D it flowers and is ready pretty fast so I'm thinking those sites are relaying "myths" about it. Are you going to breed in the Thai side a few times to increase Sativa leaning ?

Apparently Sour Diesel is Chemdog X Super Skunk and Sativa Dominant, would that help ?

 

[HBZ]

I've seen with the Chem it's about selection and Ive always picked the sativa side of things when looking for phenos regardless of the strain..Chem tho is almost always indica Dom.. especially the D and anyone saying it's sativa probably hasn't smoked a pure sativa ..The 8 mile is very sativa but finishes quick.. killer smoke..The A5 is a trippy powerful sativa and the Thai strains also pure sativa ...That being said just keep picking the Chem leaning phenos and it will all work out in the end

 

[Psychobilly]

I've seen with the Chem it's about selection and Ive always picked the sativa side of things when looking for phenos regardless of the strain..Chem tho is almost always indica Dom.. especially the D and anyone saying it's sativa probably hasn't smoked a pure sativa ..The 8 mile is very sativa but finishes quick.. killer smoke..The A5 is a trippy powerful sativa and the Thai strains also pure sativa ...That being said just keep picking the Chem leaning phenos and it will all work out in the end

OK I was curious if simply selecting and selective choosing would do the trick or not. Thank you I remember not too long ago I asked if Chem D was "actually" a Sativa dominant as so many sites claim, because it wasn't anything like that with what I was experiencing. I mean the Chem D seedling (From bagseed of course) that I put outside last year was almost done (resin color was already cloudy and some amber coloration had started too) almost at the same time Blue Cheese was getting finished, which, Blue Cheese in Michigan outside is generally ready QUICK! I've grown Blue Cheese the most and in general, by the end of September I start looking at the resin to see how far along she is so I'll be ready to pull her, and was just surprised to see a strain like Chem D that I kept reading was "A Sativa" was damn near ready too. Made no sense at first.

Thai landraces bro.... I've never gotten to try one, but they're "rumored" to be one of the genetics used in the original Chemdog though I can't say how true that would be (A strain discovered back when all this was illegal.....I mean maybe a genetics lab could tell ?) so I'm not sure but I know I've loved that family tree for a long time!

I guess I always assumed Chemdog was "probably" a part of the Skunk #1 family, but I honestly don't really know. (Then again if the strain is pungent enough I generally think of Skunk LOL).

I haven't had any of that 8 Mile but I have seen you mention that before, but the A5 I don't think I've ever heard about that one. On Google it's talking about a Northern Lights X Haze strain, is that the one ?

 

[Psychobilly]

Speaking of Sativa leaning plants; I don't have any non hermie seeds of this, but there's a strain I literally can't find ANY info about called Hawaiian Sunshine, which, I managed to get a single seed from an ounce from a local dude (From what I can tell, this was a locally done breeding thing) and I'm guessing it's probably some form of Hawaiian crossed with Sunshine (Sunshine being a Michigan strain from what I've seen) and it's easily the LONGEST flowering plant I've ever grown.... She took forever to get done....Like literally one of the last things we pulled as the cold weather started eating up her leaves.... The smells are VERY sweet and floral, but with a distinct "pungency".... I almost don't want to say Pungent because when I think of pungent I think of really smelly, but there's this really distinct potency to it.

Tropical fruit and "spikes your arm hairs if you bump into her" because of how sticky she was.... I got a single seed from a bag, sprouted the seed, and it was female Thank God! Soon to be Father in Law took a clone of her too and kept telling me how I better share her cause of how sticky she was. Flavor is a lot like the smell, and because the Wife doesn't always do very good with Sativa leaning plants, I left her until some amber color made it's way in the resin which ended up working very well. I had one seedling of this, and once she flowered out we trimmed her up, and so far I've only got 5 seeds off the entire plant... Literally couldn't even nute burn her either.... I experimented with this because she was MASSIVE (I grew her sideways and took every branch on the side facing the soil off, and she went nuts with bushyness LOL) and the top of the greenhouse had to be propped up because the side branches were bending as they grew into the top (10 feet high) and a 20 foot long greenhouse .... I could have probably filled the whole thing with just her; She was never topped, and her top branch which I used sticks made of Fiberglass to hold her down, stretched like halfway across the greenhouse.

As I said I've only got 5 seeds of her from the entire plant, but I really feel like this is one you'd probably like anyway.

 

[HBZ]

OK I was curious if simply selecting and selective choosing would do the trick or not. Thank you I remember not too long ago I asked if Chem D was "actually" a Sativa dominant as so many sites claim, because it wasn't anything like that with what I was experiencing. I mean the Chem D seedling (From bagseed of course) that I put outside last year was almost done (resin color was already cloudy and some amber coloration had started too) almost at the same time Blue Cheese was getting finished, which, Blue Cheese in Michigan outside is generally ready QUICK! I've grown Blue Cheese the most and in general, by the end of September I start looking at the resin to see how far along she is so I'll be ready to pull her, and was just surprised to see a strain like Chem D that I kept reading was "A Sativa" was damn near ready too. Made no sense at first.

Thai landraces bro.... I've never gotten to try one, but they're "rumored" to be one of the genetics used in the original Chemdog though I can't say how true that would be (A strain discovered back when all this was illegal.....I mean maybe a genetics lab could tell ?) so I'm not sure but I know I've loved that family tree for a long time!

I guess I always assumed Chemdog was "probably" a part of the Skunk #1 family, but I honestly don't really know. (Then again if the strain is pungent enough I generally think of Skunk LOL).

I haven't had any of that 8 Mile but I have seen you mention that before, but the A5 I don't think I've ever heard about that one. On Google it's talking about a Northern Lights X Haze strain, is that the one ?

Go on Ace seeds website and have a blast looking thru that setup...Tons of strain info. Even down to terpene profile...I still to this day find myself at the site looking thru the info even tho I already have 50 times...It's for this reason I LOVE Ace seeds. They really know what they are doing and what they are working with... In my honest opinion the best breeders out there...They definitely putting in the work for many many years

 

[HBZ]

Speaking of Sativa leaning plants; I don't have any non hermie seeds of this, but there's a strain I literally can't find ANY info about called Hawaiian Sunshine, which, I managed to get a single seed from an ounce from a local dude (From what I can tell, this was a locally done breeding thing) and I'm guessing it's probably some form of Hawaiian crossed with Sunshine (Sunshine being a Michigan strain from what I've seen) and it's easily the LONGEST flowering plant I've ever grown.... She took forever to get done....Like literally one of the last things we pulled as the cold weather started eating up her leaves.... The smells are VERY sweet and floral, but with a distinct "pungency".... I almost don't want to say Pungent because when I think of pungent I think of really smelly, but there's this really distinct potency to it.

Tropical fruit and "spikes your arm hairs if you bump into her" because of how sticky she was.... I got a single seed from a bag, sprouted the seed, and it was female Thank God! Soon to be Father in Law took a clone of her too and kept telling me how I better share her cause of how sticky she was. Flavor is a lot like the smell, and because the Wife doesn't always do very good with Sativa leaning plants, I left her until some amber color made it's way in the resin which ended up working very well. I had one seedling of this, and once she flowered out we trimmed her up, and so far I've only got 5 seeds off the entire plant... Literally couldn't even nute burn her either.... I experimented with this because she was MASSIVE (I grew her sideways and took every branch on the side facing the soil off, and she went nuts with bushyness LOL) and the top of the greenhouse had to be propped up because the side branches were bending as they grew into the top (10 feet high) and a 20 foot long greenhouse .... I could have probably filled the whole thing with just her; She was never topped, and her top branch which I used sticks made of Fiberglass to hold her down, stretched like halfway across the greenhouse.

As I said I've only got 5 seeds of her from the entire plant, but I really feel like this is one you'd probably like anyway.

Sure sounds like a typical sativa...ya probably got something special there...when you grow her again take a few buds with some clear trichs...then some with clear and cloudy...then again cloudy with a few ambers...see how ya like it....keep the clear and clear/cloudy away from the wife....blastoff

 

[HBZ]

Go on Ace seeds website and have a blast looking thru that setup...Tons of strain info. Even down to terpene profile...I still to this day find myself at the site looking thru the info even tho I already have 50 times...It's for this reason I LOVE Ace seeds. They really know what they are doing and what they are working with... In my honest opinion the best breeders out there...They definitely putting in the work for many many years

Ace seeds website will clear up the A5 and any Thai questions ya may have...Along with other landrace strains

 

[Psychobilly]

Bro I've never seen this site before ! You can search by the smells !!!!! Haha. Checking that out for sure.

And yeah even though that's bag seed, it's something I can't find info about, and I'm curious because that smell and taste are like.... Everyone loves her. I think I've still got some of her left depending on just how far away you might actually be LOL.

 

[Psychobilly]

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Now see this kind of thing makes me think Indica (The part about almost all precipitation being snow) and I like that for outdoor growing because when it starts getting cold, the plant doesn't seem to care as much. That Hawaiian Sunshine didn't like the cold at all! But Blue Cheese for example, doesn't care really. I've had my plants out in snow before and they still were fine Thank God.

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Sure is pretty too !

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[whiteravenseeds]

I've seen with the Chem it's about selection and Ive always picked the sativa side of things when looking for phenos regardless of the strain..Chem tho is almost always indica Dom.. especially the D and anyone saying it's sativa probably hasn't smoked a pure sativa ..The 8 mile is very sativa but finishes quick.. killer smoke..The A5 is a trippy powerful sativa and the Thai strains also pure sativa ...That being said just keep picking the Chem leaning phenos and it will all work out in the end

old thread i know. chem's sister and chem1 are the sativa leaners if any, D being the faster higher yielder of them all. I never see much info on 3, but ink has one still i would think. perusing the so-called "definitive" info on chemdog is not gonna be very accurate no matter what tho.

alot of what was "D" or "91" could have been (politely) hit with random pollin drift several times, notsodog and others have documented the differences that really shouldnt be there at all. same stoner confusion happens with og, headband and sour d origins.

 

[Psychobilly]

old thread i know. chem's sister and chem1 are the sativa leaners if any, D being the faster higher yielder of them all. I never see much info on 3, but ink has one still i would think. perusing the so-called "definitive" info on chemdog is not gonna be very accurate no matter what tho.

alot of what was "D" or "91" could have been (politely) hit with random pollin drift several times, notsodog and others have documented the differences that really shouldnt be there at all. same stoner confusion happens with og, headband and sour d origins.

Don't worry about it being old bro, shit I'm glad you chimed in. Chemdog is one of those strains that like Cheese, has lead to me not being at a Doctor's office literally every month of my life. And it does kinda make me crazy trying to read how it came about. I mean Cheese is pretty well known to be Skunk, but Chemdog is like that magic mystery.

Chem D is the only one I generally have access on, and even then, the only reason is the Father in Law got two clones of it like 2 years ago to run indoor, and they seemed to be pretty stressed out. So every bean that came off those, I grabbed. Been growing them ever since LOL. I don't get many seeds out of them, but enough to run them at least, and MAN does she ever produce!

That super fast flower time actually lead to more confusion because if you read about Chem D on just about any web site they say it's a Sativa, which, I don't think so LOL. She likes cool temps and flower almost as fast as Blue Cheese.

The different "Chemdogs" have always stumped me because....Can you even imagine that, you get an ounce of weed in the mail, you paid $600.00 for this SINGLE ounce, and....13 beans? 13 of them, all in this ONE bag, and EVERY seed that was female is now named something else ? Like, I would like to believe that happened....I mean talk about the only time you'd ever see me pay that much for ONE ounce...

I guess if Doctor Who ever showed up and was like "wanna go for a ride?" Once we left England in the 80s with my cuttings of Cheese and possibly a felony getting them from dealing with ravers, I'd be heading out to Massachusetts in the 90s before "Chemdog the dude" got busted for more cuttings. Be a pretty bring episode that day but the noises I'd be making would probably make up for it.

I actually have seen the "dude Chemdog" selling cuts of Chem D for like 40 dollars, which, blew my mind a little given how much people pay for cuts, and he DOES have a chain of dispensaries here in the Mitten that are licensed by him to have "the real deal" but, all they had was Chem 4 when I reached out, and I, you know, "said they should run Chem D" and "maybe have cuts"... haha. I mean, didn't cost to ask. Lectured them on lack of Cheese too, but they took it in stride and were nice about it.

The "regular Chemdog" I've personally only seen as vape carts, which, kinda sucks, but finding the real deal strain without "Runtz" in the name is pretty hard.

I know I've heard similar about the Sour D too; Some say it's a parent to Chemdog, and some say Chemdog is the parent.

You ever hear about that New Jersey one ? It's a Chemdog, and apparently they did some tests on it and found that it's actually an ancestor to the real Chemdog.

 

[whiteravenseeds]

Don't worry about it being old bro, shit I'm glad you chimed in. Chemdog is one of those strains that like Cheese, has lead to me not being at a Doctor's office literally every month of my life. And it does kinda make me crazy trying to read how it came about. I mean Cheese is pretty well known to be Skunk, but Chemdog is like that magic mystery.

Chem D is the only one I generally have access on, and even then, the only reason is the Father in Law got two clones of it like 2 years ago to run indoor, and they seemed to be pretty stressed out. So every bean that came off those, I grabbed. Been growing them ever since LOL. I don't get many seeds out of them, but enough to run them at least, and MAN does she ever produce!

That super fast flower time actually lead to more confusion because if you read about Chem D on just about any web site they say it's a Sativa, which, I don't think so LOL. She likes cool temps and flower almost as fast as Blue Cheese.

The different "Chemdogs" have always stumped me because....Can you even imagine that, you get an ounce of weed in the mail, you paid $600.00 for this SINGLE ounce, and....13 beans? 13 of them, all in this ONE bag, and EVERY seed that was female is now named something else ? Like, I would like to believe that happened....I mean talk about the only time you'd ever see me pay that much for ONE ounce...

I guess if Doctor Who ever showed up and was like "wanna go for a ride?" Once we left England in the 80s with my cuttings of Cheese and possibly a felony getting them from dealing with ravers, I'd be heading out to Massachusetts in the 90s before "Chemdog the dude" got busted for more cuttings. Be a pretty bring episode that day but the noises I'd be making would probably make up for it.

I actually have seen the "dude Chemdog" selling cuts of Chem D for like 40 dollars, which, blew my mind a little given how much people pay for cuts, and he DOES have a chain of dispensaries here in the Mitten that are licensed by him to have "the real deal" but, all they had was Chem 4 when I reached out, and I, you know, "said they should run Chem D" and "maybe have cuts"... haha. I mean, didn't cost to ask. Lectured them on lack of Cheese too, but they took it in stride and were nice about it.

The "regular Chemdog" I've personally only seen as vape carts, which, kinda sucks, but finding the real deal strain without "Runtz" in the name is pretty hard.

I know I've heard similar about the Sour D too; Some say it's a parent to Chemdog, and some say Chemdog is the parent.

You ever hear about that New Jersey one ? It's a Chemdog, and apparently they did some tests on it and found that it's actually an ancestor to the real Chemdog.

in certain snob circles, ive gotten called out for saying my ecsd is sour d. which is bullshit. i could @ shoreline to go deeper, but its his cut. i have no doubts. there is always someone claiming to have the "original" of so many elites like chem diesel and og.

ok...... picture this.

a 17? year old kid buys this magic sack o potatoes. 13 beans inside. by nature, if they are bagseed, the overwhelming majority should be female, or hermaphrodite. not male. and he tossed a male? not to mention grew them one at a time? and who cloned them? sounds like he couldnt have known how to clone if he's tossing males at 17.

joseph og is another one. loompa says hmm. where did gage get the cut of headband in the first place. gage says its a bagseed of his headband. and its male, and stable enough to base lines off of that carry that huge price tag?

these lines and the guys running them in the first place.... i admire all of them on some level.... but a lot of the data is just corrupted. some of these top icons don't even know what they have. then other people get greedy, get blinded by it, and start "creating" something wrong that someone else already did wrong in first place. and now we have 40 different "ogs" or "chems" or "diesels". or cookies. just stoners. think i recall josh d describing his "discovery" of og as simply waking up 6 months later with a rack of bills, not recalling anything that happened. mustve been good weed.

$600 a zip..... i've roasted kids for paying $500 for ok years ago. the hells used to garner $280-320 a zip, and at the time in the area, was "it". had the same kid come back 3 times in 2 and a half hours i do remember orgnkid quoting his original buy of OG clones at well over $15K. and this is supposedly for 1 tray. think it was several pounds and cash if im not mistaken.

the original diesel "is" chem 91 according to chemdog. which i buy potentially. not so sure about the rest, again love the man non sexually.... but nah. it all is conveniently centered around his chem being the parent strain to.... too many things. which is... very typical of canna world. i will say that IME the chem lines do have very similar hashplant traits to OG, and diesel. and ive also heard decades ago that headband is original diesel, and vice versa.

in all my diving, OG is potentially hashplant thai afghan BX, then S1 of that borne. not the best lineage explanation i know. but it's all fogged. chem has a different terp package (or packages), but i can see the relationship being there. busted out calyxes, no trim. resin glands that look like the plant was outside full sun, and it just wasnt. chem = dogbud... but no idea what to believe as far as what that is.

all the sour on my coast has been very different, from plant to plant, clone to clone, bag to bag. but i think that's also our environment here, ups and downs. sour is testy, real sour d finger leaves just like chem 91 naturally, more with environmental stress. gets larfy. etc. but run side by side here with sfv or gg4 types, sour/ecsd is entirely tougher.

 

[Frimpong]

in certain snob circles, ive gotten called out for saying my ecsd is sour d. which is bullshit. i could @ shoreline to go deeper, but its his cut. i have no doubts. there is always someone claiming to have the "original" of so many elites like chem diesel and og.

ok...... picture this.

a 17? year old kid buys this magic sack o potatoes. 13 beans inside. by nature, if they are bagseed, the overwhelming majority should be female, or hermaphrodite. not male. and he tossed a male? not to mention grew them one at a time? and who cloned them? sounds like he couldnt have known how to clone if he's tossing males at 17.

joseph og is another one. loompa says hmm. where did gage get the cut of headband in the first place. gage says its a bagseed of his headband. and its male, and stable enough to base lines off of that carry that huge price tag?

these lines and the guys running them in the first place.... i admire all of them on some level.... but a lot of the data is just corrupted. some of these top icons don't even know what they have. then other people get greedy, get blinded by it, and start "creating" something wrong that someone else already did wrong in first place. and now we have 40 different "ogs" or "chems" or "diesels". or cookies. just stoners. think i recall josh d describing his "discovery" of og as simply waking up 6 months later with a rack of bills, not recalling anything that happened. mustve been good weed.

$600 a zip..... i've roasted kids for paying $500 for ok years ago. the hells used to garner $280-320 a zip, and at the time in the area, was "it". had the same kid come back 3 times in 2 and a half hours i do remember orgnkid quoting his original buy of OG clones at well over $15K. and this is supposedly for 1 tray. think it was several pounds and cash if im not mistaken.

the original diesel "is" chem 91 according to chemdog. which i buy potentially. not so sure about the rest, again love the man non sexually.... but nah. it all is conveniently centered around his chem being the parent strain to.... too many things. which is... very typical of canna world. i will say that IME the chem lines do have very similar hashplant traits to OG, and diesel. and ive also heard decades ago that headband is original diesel, and vice versa.

in all my diving, OG is potentially hashplant thai afghan BX, then S1 of that borne. not the best lineage explanation i know. but it's all fogged. chem has a different terp package (or packages), but i can see the relationship being there. busted out calyxes, no trim. resin glands that look like the plant was outside full sun, and it just wasnt. chem = dogbud... but no idea what to believe as far as what that is.

all the sour on my coast has been very different, from plant to plant, clone to clone, bag to bag. but i think that's also our environment here, ups and downs. sour is testy, real sour d finger leaves just like chem 91 naturally, more with environmental stress. gets larfy. etc. but run side by side here with sfv or gg4 types, sour/ecsd is entirely tougher.

You want to know if something's real, grow it and smoke it. Ain't no faking that. ?

 

[Ramjet159]

You want to know if something's real, grow it and smoke it. Ain't no faking that. ?

The likely hood always dissipates as the strain slips backward into history .
Not likely anyone will start a preservation vault soon ??‍♂️