coste
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so far it's lookin on point to correcting the issue. a lot of how this res change is going is indicating tap was a big contributor to the problem. Root cause yet to be determined, but it's looking up.
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coste
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Tonight's res changeout:
9 Gallons Distilled h2o
Starting ppm: 3
Starting pH: 7.2
Protekt: 45ml, 75ppm, pH 10.45
15ml pH down to 6.5
Part A: 34.2 grams, 568ppm, pH 5.5
Part B: 22.5 grams, 750ppm, pH 5.3
Hygrozyme: 69ml, 750ppm, pH 5.3
Hydroguard: 18ml, 809ppm, pH 5.3
First thing I noticed was a lack of cloudiness upon adding the Protekt. The pH went far higher (was averaging 9.5 with tap), but it also took far less pH down to get it back to desired level. Overall, this res change was the clearest I've seen. No cloudiness or anything like that.
The final pH is a bit low, but it's close enough that I'm not terribly concerned about it. We'll see what the overnight swing does once the first cycle happens. I'll do one more check after it runs and confirm final changeout numbers as any residual in the sites will be homogenized with the fresh solution.
I'm confident but not certain that my tap is the root cause of these problems. The next 18 or so hours will be good confirmation, and if things remain stable, a week from now will validate.
9 Gallons Distilled h2o
Starting ppm: 3
Starting pH: 7.2
Protekt: 45ml, 75ppm, pH 10.45
15ml pH down to 6.5
Part A: 34.2 grams, 568ppm, pH 5.5
Part B: 22.5 grams, 750ppm, pH 5.3
Hygrozyme: 69ml, 750ppm, pH 5.3
Hydroguard: 18ml, 809ppm, pH 5.3
First thing I noticed was a lack of cloudiness upon adding the Protekt. The pH went far higher (was averaging 9.5 with tap), but it also took far less pH down to get it back to desired level. Overall, this res change was the clearest I've seen. No cloudiness or anything like that.
The final pH is a bit low, but it's close enough that I'm not terribly concerned about it. We'll see what the overnight swing does once the first cycle happens. I'll do one more check after it runs and confirm final changeout numbers as any residual in the sites will be homogenized with the fresh solution.
I'm confident but not certain that my tap is the root cause of these problems. The next 18 or so hours will be good confirmation, and if things remain stable, a week from now will validate.
coste
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Oh, also tonight. I pulled clones of everything I could in the closet and chopped everything down. All clones were treated with a general pesticide, and will be going into coco tomorrow night. Sprayed the closet down with bleach and am running a ridiculous level of shock through the f&d table kill everything off that may be there.
It was just untenable and not enough space for the method used. It really sucks cutting 3' plants down but it is what it is. If the issues I was seeing in there were actually what I thought, this was a good preventative measure before having to start from scratch. Going forward will be better.
It was just untenable and not enough space for the method used. It really sucks cutting 3' plants down but it is what it is. If the issues I was seeing in there were actually what I thought, this was a good preventative measure before having to start from scratch. Going forward will be better.
BH
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Love your grow sgyle And how you did your journal. Great job and you def show it in your actions and dedication In your pictures .
i do have a few solution overviews I think after looking at what you were talking about and having concerns . agree or disagree, just trying to give a viewpoint and maybe my view may help ( worth the try )
you said and asked on your “run off requirements” and how much. If your soil and actually can conquer salt issues . fact is you don’t need to do run off and compared to coco that def saves you on water requirements and the headache of requiring a bigger Rez. Coco retains and Inless you also get rid of the salt. Your fucked
soluction to this is a synthetic base would be house And garden drip clean. However going organic and a true salt eating bacteria and makes your reduction of intake requirments ethier synthetics or organics by 20-50% np. Plus a all in one foliar including wetting agent and sugars.
seagreen will conquer your salt issues and if applied at 1ml per gal once a week and adding Seagreen and can be used before even rooted clones and to harvest and I suggest hand water method the vs automation for just the bennie and organic compounds (only once a week) . You don’t in your pics show I are growing acres so it’s np and easily measurable per plant. So you xan easily know how much to apply after trials .
key with watering is to water enough they are fully saturated but no runoff if you have no salt build up issues .let dry out enough ,I suggest lifting same size container right after watering than lift per day and you’ll get by visual and lifting when.
once I started using seagreen in organics soil (super soil) or 70% synethtics , it works for multple positives and biggest gain is less nutes and it removes the salt better than lab grade and does such great organic pgr effects. I see results from that product within 24-72 hours . They love it
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you asked about what are those spots and you suspected nute deficiency. It’s calcium from my viewpoint and if it’s not maybe it’s a mold ( you’ll notice it infects like cancer and what ever it touches will get infected )
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option 2 possible:the mold I’m referring to is septoria leaf spot, even if not infected a huge suggestion if you aren’t but to everyone is treat your plants like a dr does per patient and always wear gloves and have hand sanitizer or 70% iso and clean your gloves inbetween your plants if you trim any , dip into 70% iso every time inbetween the removal or using of tools. many diseases and molds and virus are just transmitted by touch and if you can stop that your in such a better ball game as long as you don’t have pest that track the disease onto multple plants .
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calcium is my first guess, I would add higher dosage of that and remove any spotted leafs if your plant can handle that and watch to see if any new plants and the current effected plants have reoccurrences of such.
reason I suggested 70% iso over 90% they have found for using such as long term exposed or spraying hands/gloves the 70% is more effective because it won’t evaporate as quickly .
Hydro guard ?:to save you money on same strain and way more in concentration why not use southern ag fungicide ? 2ml per 20 gal and apply every 2-3 weeks. 98%+ of strain per bottle . I’m good on hydroguard lol
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i do have a few solution overviews I think after looking at what you were talking about and having concerns . agree or disagree, just trying to give a viewpoint and maybe my view may help ( worth the try )
you said and asked on your “run off requirements” and how much. If your soil and actually can conquer salt issues . fact is you don’t need to do run off and compared to coco that def saves you on water requirements and the headache of requiring a bigger Rez. Coco retains and Inless you also get rid of the salt. Your fucked
soluction to this is a synthetic base would be house And garden drip clean. However going organic and a true salt eating bacteria and makes your reduction of intake requirments ethier synthetics or organics by 20-50% np. Plus a all in one foliar including wetting agent and sugars.
seagreen will conquer your salt issues and if applied at 1ml per gal once a week and adding Seagreen and can be used before even rooted clones and to harvest and I suggest hand water method the vs automation for just the bennie and organic compounds (only once a week) . You don’t in your pics show I are growing acres so it’s np and easily measurable per plant. So you xan easily know how much to apply after trials .
key with watering is to water enough they are fully saturated but no runoff if you have no salt build up issues .let dry out enough ,I suggest lifting same size container right after watering than lift per day and you’ll get by visual and lifting when.
once I started using seagreen in organics soil (super soil) or 70% synethtics , it works for multple positives and biggest gain is less nutes and it removes the salt better than lab grade and does such great organic pgr effects. I see results from that product within 24-72 hours . They love it
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you asked about what are those spots and you suspected nute deficiency. It’s calcium from my viewpoint and if it’s not maybe it’s a mold ( you’ll notice it infects like cancer and what ever it touches will get infected )
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option 2 possible:the mold I’m referring to is septoria leaf spot, even if not infected a huge suggestion if you aren’t but to everyone is treat your plants like a dr does per patient and always wear gloves and have hand sanitizer or 70% iso and clean your gloves inbetween your plants if you trim any , dip into 70% iso every time inbetween the removal or using of tools. many diseases and molds and virus are just transmitted by touch and if you can stop that your in such a better ball game as long as you don’t have pest that track the disease onto multple plants .
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calcium is my first guess, I would add higher dosage of that and remove any spotted leafs if your plant can handle that and watch to see if any new plants and the current effected plants have reoccurrences of such.
reason I suggested 70% iso over 90% they have found for using such as long term exposed or spraying hands/gloves the 70% is more effective because it won’t evaporate as quickly .
Hydro guard ?:to save you money on same strain and way more in concentration why not use southern ag fungicide ? 2ml per 20 gal and apply every 2-3 weeks. 98%+ of strain per bottle . I’m good on hydroguard lol
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@coste First off - go for the house financing rates are great now, there will be a bubble pop again but if your landlord is offering any credit for past rental imo take it. Provided you like the place.
What pool shock? What percent hypochlorite? Does it say 3 in 1, 4 in 1, 7 in 1....? I had pH issues like you describe with the multi purpose products and went to 99% hypochlorite.
Also 2nd the move to ro, I tried raw well water as well as treated/softened and had issues with both.
The swing may have been residual curious what the numbers are this morning. Glad that you stuck with the live res for now.
What pool shock? What percent hypochlorite? Does it say 3 in 1, 4 in 1, 7 in 1....? I had pH issues like you describe with the multi purpose products and went to 99% hypochlorite.
Also 2nd the move to ro, I tried raw well water as well as treated/softened and had issues with both.
The swing may have been residual curious what the numbers are this morning. Glad that you stuck with the live res for now.
His Mg may have been high and causing Ca issues. I don't think adding anything as good idea for any phase of trouble shooting.
BH
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No offense but inless a strains a wuss or bad ph ratefor the intake, good luck on not finding calicum and mag whores. Very few genetics are that sensitive and it’s sad I presented source with picture and it looks just like his issues .
Calcium is hard on intake and all my years have ever gotten calicum excess . Not the most soluble vs rest of the npk
Calcium is hard on intake and all my years have ever gotten calicum excess . Not the most soluble vs rest of the npk
coste
In Bloom
So both of you are right, I believe. Part A of my nutrients contains the Mg and part B contains the calcium. By having my ratios off, I think the Mg was locking out the calcium. This was further exacerbated by the rapid pH swings. I've got a few things to take care of with work this morning, but once I wrap up my other responsibilities there, I'll check the res and either be met with need to continue efforts, or stable pH.
If you were using a bufferd pool shock before I wonder if its tied up in your coco?
Lets hope its not a pathogen.
Lets hope its not a pathogen.
coste
In Bloom
That's what I was looking to rule out with this last res change out. I used distilled water instead of tap, and scrubbed down the res thoroughly to sterilize it before putting it back in the tent. I cannot scrub the sites at this time given the screen and plants that are living in em.
I think the fundamental issue is the bacteria in hydroguard are going haywire because I don't have a res chiller. So, in combination with cycling through whatever temp the sites are (probably 3-4F below ambient, which sits at 80F most of the time), the res also tends to run ~5F below ambient, sometimes even 3F below ambient.
Basically creates a bacterial fornication den. With rapid colonization of bacteria, as they consume and reproduce, they drive the pH up, quickly.
That's why I'll be going back to a sterile res instead. pH remained fairly stable with pool shock, which at 1-2ppm by volume, kills pretty much all pathogens but the plants can tolerate it. Kinda like a swimming pool.
The media in the sites is hydroton. However, I'll be running coco in the closet next round. That'll be a bit more familiar to me, this full hydro business is a new endeavor.
BH
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people always want that 68 and water chilled but if you have a low population of bad pathogens and not too long brewed organics . 76-85f water will make ur plants better than colder water
Hydroguadd vs southern ag fungi is soo much more expensive and same species . If it wS me fuck hudroguard , southern ag is 2ml per 20 gal every 2-3 weeks
Hydroguadd vs southern ag fungi is soo much more expensive and same species . If it wS me fuck hudroguard , southern ag is 2ml per 20 gal every 2-3 weeks
coste
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That's hard to calculate down when running only 9 gallons in the res, only reason I went with hydroguard since it's so dilute. I'm almost wondering if the batch of hydroguard I bought is bad. Everything was fine till I tried to go live res. Hell, even running just hygrozyme by itself, things were fine, but I was nervous as hygrozyme is almost always used as like a two part solution. Enzymes + bacteria or peroxide. Not just by itself. And of course one cannot run shock with enzymes, they don't play together at all.
BH
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Dude southern ag fungi is 1ml per 10 gal and 10% differnace won’t make any different if you do 1ml per 9 gal cause u can use way high % per gallon with no issuesfor super strong batches . 1ml per 9 gal will work fine and protect u just as good as hydroguadd and be soo much cheaper
Never use h202 and a fungi and Bennie in it = death to them
Hints why I went out of my way to explain that and also sterilize before filling your Rez (pyhsan 20 @ 15 min dried on than re rinse the item so no more viruuscide but sterilized )
For enzymes fuck hydro store version
Get pond zyme and that’s 20 bucks and 18,000 gal , I 4x rate it at 1 tablespoon vs their pond rate at 1 table per 200 gal . Asked the rep and he said the more the better and if applied 2-4x rate for ag that’s
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Never use h202 and a fungi and Bennie in it = death to them
Hints why I went out of my way to explain that and also sterilize before filling your Rez (pyhsan 20 @ 15 min dried on than re rinse the item so no more viruuscide but sterilized )
For enzymes fuck hydro store version
Get pond zyme and that’s 20 bucks and 18,000 gal , I 4x rate it at 1 tablespoon vs their pond rate at 1 table per 200 gal . Asked the rep and he said the more the better and if applied 2-4x rate for ag that’s
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coste
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I'll probably revisit a live res after this run. This bottle of hydroguard is going in the garbage at this point, it's suspect as hell. I appreciate the recommendation on southern AG, I've seen that brand thrown around just as much as hydroguard with some preference towards southern ag.
I'm just going back to sterile for the remainder of the run. It's notoriously easier for first time swimmers, and I can see why now. I've realized letting anything living in the res is a balancing act, and I simply don't have the available time to continue on this path for now.
coste
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So I didn't do the res change out. Giving it one more chance to be stable. So, pHing back to 5.5 and we'll see what happens overnight. Residual in the sites may have been enough to fucker it up.
Roots coming out of site one's drain. Now i'm concerned about clogging before finish. This shit's gonna get interesting.
Thumb pressed on that trunk. she's a biggun
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Wondering if this is damage from the spinosad i sprayed last night while lights were on
And 99% sure this is the cal lockout showing off. Fucker.
Roots coming out of site one's drain. Now i'm concerned about clogging before finish. This shit's gonna get interesting.
Thumb pressed on that trunk. she's a biggun
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Wondering if this is damage from the spinosad i sprayed last night while lights were on
And 99% sure this is the cal lockout showing off. Fucker.
coste
In Bloom
Well, the pH is dropping! Sitting at 5.9 now. Didn't do the res change I planned on doing last night, nor did I pH down this morning... work kept me too fuckin busy to even breathe. It's correcting itself, and that makes me happy.
The placement of these buckets sucks though. should be flipping at this point but have a hell of a lot of screen that's not filled yet. what is filled, is trying to go up. dammit. might end up doing the snip snip on the risers.
They happy though. Drinkin a lot. close to six gallons in two days. ppm's rising a bit but i expect that with how much they're drinking.
The placement of these buckets sucks though. should be flipping at this point but have a hell of a lot of screen that's not filled yet. what is filled, is trying to go up. dammit. might end up doing the snip snip on the risers.
They happy though. Drinkin a lot. close to six gallons in two days. ppm's rising a bit but i expect that with how much they're drinking.
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Newb question for ya , my ph in cloner keeps creeping up. What up w that? Any idea why? Thx man
