doodies doodoo dirt disaster grow log

[iwentdoodie]

Been posting updates in my intro thread since Im normally used to it not being accepted for new people to post threads on forums for a bit, and primarily because Ive been so busy trying to get the tent stable as im going out of town Fri to Mon morning.

Ill add my original posts in as quotes later, but for right now if anyone sees I do have two questions:
1) Is 74*f to 78*f an acceptable temp range from sprout to drying?
2) Will it harm them to (through the day) shift from 45 to 62ish RH? This has been an unforeseen battle on my part, since our normal humidity level is somewhere around "Vietnam in rainy season" at the best of times. vent fan on means instant 10% drop if it runs for more than a couple minutes.

current set up:
10 sprouts in solos (peat plug placed into non amended coco loco) in a 2x2x60 tent under a HLG 65v2 at roughly 16" above, 4" ac infinity exhaust and a 10" static fan on the floor blowing off the tent wall. not all are in solos yet, replacements had to be made to fix my errors.

1 bag seed (ocifer), pretty sure this one isnt going to make it. looked better for a bit but wasnt too hot this morning, we shall see. ordered some actual ocifer seeds too, i do love this strain. I want to do a cross with cap junky at some point later. I had originally called this seed SRO, because bag seed ocifer just sounds like something i wouldve told a School Resource Officer.

3 DinoParty freebie TKs1. I killed one trying to straighten it, and last night my dog decided to try and help garden when i was putting something in the tent. not sure on that one yet, but replacements are already popped so it will be back at 3.

3 DinoParty Super Car. I nuked two of these by being dumb, and one under the same conditions is also my best looking plant. Replacements are popped.

3 DinoParty Saur Diesel (schwaggy's sour d repro, i believe) x Twin City Titties. Continuing my trend, nuked one, one is awesome, one is struggle bussin. Replacements popped as well.

So, it was kind of a disaster but bright side I know the issues.

1) I didnt let tails poke enough before going into peat, which i know a lot of people go straight in without soaking but I have never had luck even with regular plants doing that. The replacements all had tails poking last night, and i didnt skip the paper towels this time. My much better half is going to let me know shortly how they look today, i didnt have time before work.

2) Once sprouted, i didnt help them out with the shells quick enough combined with not getting them under steady light soon enough.

3) Heat mat i used for the seedlings supposedly only raised temp 5 to 10* above ambient. Well, at an ambient of 73, at some point during a one hour span it went from 78 to 103. I corrected it, but im sure they didnt like a pre heat stage. Already got a new one with ability to set temp manually.

4) make sure the fucking tray is level so all the moisture doesnt pool on one side and drown the peat plug.

onward and upward i spose


Going off memory, so may be wrong but L-R
SDxTCT (shell was stuck. it fell off but i didnt think to scrape membrane, which i guess stunted the side leaves), TKs1, Super Car and....I want to say SDxTCT but it may be another Super Car.

Thanks for reading and cant wait to document the disappointment for everyone

 

[Agreenpassion]

 

[iwentdoodie]

oh god that feels like a bad omen

 

[iwentdoodie]

Super Car #1



TK s1 #1


SDxTCT #2

SDxTCT #1


SRO

the same sro 13hrs ago


all the ones showing that tiny 3rd set did not have those defined this morning. they get so grown up.
so, progressing. will be more detailed later once i can have my after work snack and focus again

 

[Mr Jay]

Is 74*f to 78*f an acceptable temp range from sprout to drying?

Yes.

Will it harm them to (through the day) shift from 45 to 62ish RH?

No.


The quickest way to make myself look like a fool would be to start giving unsolicited advice.
I'm comfortable with that.

You are making all of the right moves. The time you spend in your garden makes your plants grow better.
Making observations
Taking measurements
Evaluating
All of these things keep everything in the middle of the road.
All these things help you to become a better grower.

Want to learn to play the violin? It's not going to happen until you spend some time with that bow.
Guaranteed that a beginner will strike some awful chords.
Guaranteed a pro is going to make a mistake sooner or later.


Green means go
Light drives photosynthesis.
.
Period.

Temperature relates to metabolism.
Higher temperature = faster metabolism = higher light requirements
A cut or clone clone will have no trouble spending a weeks ot two in a dark fridge.
How?
No temperature=no action=no need for light

( I'm circling the drain here, now comes the unsolicited part )



Manufacturer recommends 12 to 18 in. I read that you started at 30.

I think that your Sprouts are experiencing a high temperature, low light situation.
Not that the temperature is too high, and not that the light is too dim,, I just think that the relationship is askew.

Like striking a match in the wind. You have the fuel (temperature) you just need the fire (light)
The sulfur (embryo) is going to take care of itself, we just need to get that wood (photosynthesis) lit.

This is definitely the best part of interactive forums. Someone gives you advice and they are full of shit.
Nobody is going to know what works best in your room, because you are the only one that is there.

I don't think you're light measurement is accurate, but I could be wrong.

For science?
Law of inverse Square states that a plant, remove twice as far from the light source, will be receiving one quarter of the amount of light.

Flip a Solo Cup upside down and place one seedling on top of it.
If it grows better, that is great.
If it grows worse, you still learn something.

 

[iwentdoodie]

ill give a better response in a few minutes but damn man, thank you for that.

 

[HydroRed]

@Dino Party in the tent...you're already off to a great start. Theres some folks that know a thing or two about a thing or two. I would certainly consider @Mr Jay one of those folks.

 

[Dino Party]

@Mr Jay is correct about everything above, at least it aligns with my experiences as well! I was having a problem where my light and temps intensity were too much for what and how often I was feeding, and my plants were dying/cannabilizing themselves just to keep up with the lights/temps. I say this because I thought for months it was something with my pH, my nutriend mix, my root system, all kinds of problems until a friend sat down with an outside perspective and just said "it kinda looks like its just this" and sure enough, I turned down the lights (no actual numbers, just a blank spinny wheel to control them) dropped temps a bit from that, and I'm in a very good place right now, I'm loving my space again.

I guess the whole point of that was to touch on your questions about lighting, and maybe a preventative anecdote against thinking more light always=more bigger bud, like I automatically had assumed there.

You doing great so far and asking even better questions!

 

[iwentdoodie]

Yes.



No.


The quickest way to make myself look like a fool would be to start giving unsolicited advice.
I'm comfortable with that.

Appreciate both, and in this thread there is no such thing as unsolicited advice. I'm a sponge, and more info is always better.

You are making all of the right moves. The time you spend in your garden makes your plants grow better.
Making observations
Taking measurements
Evaluating
All of these things keep everything in the middle of the road.
All these things help you to become a better grower.

Want to learn to play the violin? It's not going to happen until you spend some time with that bow.
Guaranteed that a beginner will strike some awful chords.
Guaranteed a pro is going to make a mistake sooner or later.

i dont know if i'm actually doing it but i am definitely doing my best and hardest. i'm a little bit AuDHD so i can't help but rabbit hole things, but it does also lead to a lot of second guessing things if i'm not intimately familiar. i have a notebook that somehow gets 3 or 4 pages filled a day, not with text always but just general conditions and readings and what the situation is at the time.

very much needed sanity check, I appreciate it.

Green means go
Light drives photosynthesis.
.
Period.

Temperature relates to metabolism.
Higher temperature = faster metabolism = higher light requirements
A cut or clone clone will have no trouble spending a weeks ot two in a dark fridge.
How?
No temperature=no action=no need for light

does this also mean that if the environ for a grow is well lit, and warm (say, 72 to 80 swing in 24hrs), they would also need more nutrients than they might normally at a more comfortable temp of 65-70? honestly unless i put ac in here (house has ac, i mean extra in the room) it's going to run like that. we keep ac at 78 during the summer.

( I'm circling the drain here, now comes the unsolicited part )

[cut the image just to make this not as long]

Manufacturer recommends 12 to 18 in. I read that you started at 30.

i did indeed, because i saw that number in multiple places outside of here as a rec for starting off, and i could not find that chart on their site. when i saw the plants later, i immediately started googling as specifically as i could (google is absolute shit these days) and finally found that same chart and dropped the light. it's been adjusted slightly each day, but i mean 1/4 or 1/2 inch just based on looking at the plants and what they're doing. it's solidly inside manuf. specs now.

I think that your Sprouts are experiencing a high temperature, low light situation.
Not that the temperature is too high, and not that the light is too dim,, I just think that the relationship is askew.

Like striking a match in the wind. You have the fuel (temperature) you just need the fire (light)
The sulfur (embryo) is going to take care of itself, we just need to get that wood (photosynthesis) lit.

This is definitely the best part of interactive forums. Someone gives you advice and they are full of shit.
Nobody is going to know what works best in your room, because you are the only one that is there.

i think you're 100% right, and i have been doing my level best to correct it. unhealthy leaves or experiencing adverse reaction to the light where it should be, they are now placed lower and legitimately an hour of the change had clearly visible effects.

I don't think you're light measurement is accurate, but I could be wrong.

so fun story there. the very first one i did, where i convinced myself that 30" was okay? yeah i totally missed that it needed a paper filter. when i found that chart the next day, i was like 'this app is fucking garbage, what the hell' and looked deeper and found that my high ass just entirely missed that the first time. oops. it's still not perfect, but it is within the same error range every time at set heights vs stated claims from manuf.

i even went out and put drying tent together and tested 4 more lights same way and found same deviance, so i think i can trust it at this point now. wife was very curious why i was in the garage at 2am when i'm normally out cold by 1030.

For science?
Law of inverse Square states that a plant, remove twice as far from the light source, will be receiving one quarter of the amount of light.

Flip a Solo Cup upside down and place one seedling on top of it.
If it grows better, that is great.
If it grows worse, you still learn something.

heh, again the part that kills me on this and makes it even dumber: i did industrial radiography for years. double the distance quarter the dose. but my idiot brain never puts it together that yeah thats for everything travelling as a wave/particle like that.


i cant say enough how much i appreciate you taking the time to write all that out, and it's all shit i needed to hear. i am so glad i came to this place.

@Mr Jay is correct about everything above, at least it aligns with my experiences as well! I was having a problem where my light and temps intensity were too much for what and how often I was feeding, and my plants were dying/cannabilizing themselves just to keep up with the lights/temps. I say this because I thought for months it was something with my pH, my nutriend mix, my root system, all kinds of problems until a friend sat down with an outside perspective and just said "it kinda looks like its just this" and sure enough, I turned down the lights (no actual numbers, just a blank spinny wheel to control them) dropped temps a bit from that, and I'm in a very good place right now, I'm loving my space again.

I guess the whole point of that was to touch on your questions about lighting, and maybe a preventative anecdote against thinking more light always=more bigger bud, like I automatically had assumed there.

You doing great so far and asking even better questions!

appreciate it boss. i'm trying to do your girls proud in here, and you're definitely going to know how much abuse the testers can take lol.

and yeah, MrJay's post was basically that moment for me in here and i for sure had the same thoughts you once did. but, onward and upward and taking in everything i can.

 

[Mr Jay]

they would also need more nutrients than they might normally at a more comfortable temp of 65-70?

Yes, fair enough, but not pertinent to someone like me or you.
Recognize that "more nutrients" could imply two separate units of measure.
Increasing the strength of the feed. Increasing the frequency of the feeding.
Acceptable range of feed is fairly a wide swath. Some folks would feed a mature plant 1200 parts per million, others would never exceed half of that.
-on fertilizer-
These companies are putting together fantastic and complete products, as they do want you to succeed. The part that they will never tell you is that, within reason, plants can do just fine bathing in an excess of nutrients. They will dose you up heavy.
Because,,, "I am selling these magic pills, and they are guaranteed to cure you."
'Sounds good', you thinks.
Now ask me how many you need to eat.
As I salesman, I know for a fact that if I sell you three it will take care of all of your problems. I also know for fact that if I sell you five, it starts to address some of my problems as well.


I read through your introductory thread.
You mentioned that you had mixed a general fertilizer into your soil ?
Seems like the only unknown variable.

tested 4 more lights same way and found same deviance

There you go.
Digits and units aren't ultimately important. If you are getting a reasonably flat reading, you will know what numbers are too high and what numbers are too low.

i'm a little bit AuDHD so i can't help but rabbit hole

That's to your advantage here, and also I like rabbits.
Just remember to point your laser beam where it's going to do you some good.
You were curious, and determined to get to the bottom of that lighting situation. You kept an open mind, you were willing to learn, and you reaped the wisdom that comes with experience.
You found a way to make it work for you.

Fine tuning is one thing, just don't go drilling down too deep.
Scheme and dream and count chickens and do all that important stuff,, but focus first and always on the environment.
They are weeds; if you can keep this thing in the middle of the road, they will do their part. If they're not flourishing, it's because you are not in the middle of the road.



Thats basically it.

Oh yeah, sometimes they just die.
They can sit , dry, in that fancy envelope, or they can take their shot.
There's no two ways about it.

Make a little nest and watch them go.

 

[iwentdoodie]

only part not 1000% correct in your post is the soil mr jay. as of right now its just the peat pod placed in coco loco woth no amendments, as everything i could find said it was too hot for direct planting until theyve got some growth.

the fert i will be using is just Dr Earth veg and Dr Earth bloom, and once theyre a bit bigger theyll get molasses and kelp teas now and then as well

edit: forgot to add a damn photo

all three looking healthy, the mucus that was left on the one is slowly getting better and less apparent and the leaves are beginning to normalize. now that the light is lowered i see the third sets becoming prominent and starting to raise up.

now comes the test; its as good as i can get it for now, and monday we shall see.

for the sprouts I have (6 of 6, 18hr h2o2 and water soak, 18hr paper towel wet woth same solution in a cig case in the tent, 24hrs 6 sprouts in solos i just put peat direct in them) would i be better off leaving them in clone dome on heat mat, or putting them in the tent just lower? or possibly with the dome on to difract?

 

[Mr Jay]

Sprouts are looking good !


I would say loose dome and no heat mat.
They shouldn't need a dome after they are a couple days old, but if you are going to be absent ,it may be a good idea.
Dome will hold some moisture.
Warmer soil will dry back faster.

 

[iwentdoodie]

Sprouts are looking good !


I would say loose dome and no heat mat.
They shouldn't need a dome after they are a couple days old, but if you are going to be absent ,it may be a good idea.
Dome will hold some moisture.
Warmer soil will dry back faster.

man, i watered a little heavy on everything, kept light 18" above the current plants and i just put the seed/clone tray in the bottom, watered the cups and i did put the dome on since i couldnt keep a humidifier in with them.


came back to absolutely healthy happy lil girls, probably better because i wasnt hers to fuck with em. will post a more full update later but man i cant believe how nice they look.

couldve used the light being lowered and/or moved under a more powerful light it seems like (growth is there but hasnt started to push up) but nothing that cant be managed and fixed in a day or so at this point. i am so far beyond happyand relieved.

 

[Mr Jay]

(growth is there but hasnt started to push up)

Like, 'push up'wards, not getting taller ?
I think that is a good thing.
Every germinating seed is afraid it is growing under a pile of leaves. It will keep getting taller and taller until it gets the light that it is looking for.

Seedlings with adequate light will stay nice and squat. Seedlings that wish for more light will push right through asphalt.

 

[Mr Jay]

so far beyond happy and relieved.

Growing is good fun, eh? Seedlings can be stressful, I am genuinely glad that it worked out for you.

 

[iwentdoodie]

Like, 'push up'wards, not getting taller ?
I think that is a good thing.
Every germinating seed is afraid it is growing under a pile of leaves. It will keep getting taller and taller until it gets the light that it is looking for.

Seedlings with adequate light will stay nice and squat. Seedlings that wish for more light will push right through asphalt.

it just looks odd to me. like the leaves are there but they havent vertically separated.

then again, even though these girls are coming up on 2 weeks since sprouting it was a painful first week so i know theyre also behind. the new ones i popped before leaving for the weekend are already at the same point these were after over a week.

Growing is good fun, eh? Seedlings can be stressful, I am genuinely glad that it worked out for you.

it really is! and between listening to what you said and then having to relinquish control for days, its easier now.

with no signs of defects on the leaves, and the new plants stretching, i have them all (including the 2 i had from previous that i had to nurture back!) in a tray together for ease of keeping them under the light and theyre just chilling now as i get prepped for next tent.

last night after moving everyone and getting cozy. also got the humidifier hooked up at this point so those swings level out.



this morning, taken through the window


so dino i brought back one of the testers! she was hit and miss and still lagging but shes healthy now. i have been taking better pics of those plants and documenting seperately to send you later in case any of it is useful info (doubtful, but hey, ill be the reason they have a sign)

 

[iwentdoodie]

some individuals, all sprouted 10/31 and 11/1

super car


TKs1

Saur Diesel x Twin City Titties

SD x TCT that still has leaf damage from the mucus inside shell not being removed by me. first picture is Friday, my buddy was convinced the stalk was constricting and it would die.



id consider that a win, personally. in the 2nd pic you can also see the bagseed that was in a similar spot but has taken off also, but i think its first two leaves stunted and are dying as it keeps getting bigger.

 

[iwentdoodie]

man these girls took off over 24hrs or so. those leaves fattened up like crazy just since this morning.

guess ill get my sick ass up and make some soil. i dont know what hell plague i caught but hoping im coming out of it.

 

[iwentdoodie]

some happy girls, and one fuckin weirdo ill post below if anyone wants to take a stab at wtf is happening.

anyway, no news is good news. the last 4 will probably get repotted tonight. they might be slightly early, but the 2 i already did from that batch had roots hitting bottom and solid structure so not too worried. first set i did (deleted the pic, of course) had drooped by next day but now seem to be thriving. i swapped the 65v2 for a 100v2 4k, roughly 12" over them (mounting that thing sucks for height) still running 18hrs for now although there were a cpl days of 24 as we had an outage and the timer got reset to on, not auto on and i didnt catch it.

basically just letting em ride, watering DTW when they feel dry and otherwise just pop my head in the window every morning and evening.

only real issues have been humidity and heat; trying to keep heat knocked down while keeping the humidity raised, seems like my humidifier doesnt want to work with the inkbird. it will run if i turn it on but never seems to trigger again later. just trying to keep them out of the goddamn 40s.

anyway, this weird fucker. this is the bagseed Ocifer, and im honestly at a loss as to what its doing. my experienced buddy just laughed at me when i sent him the pic. plant has grown like this since it got stuck in its shell, popped itself out finally, then had to be nursed to health. now it seems to be thriving, but...well just look at it.

im kind of waiting with odd hopes that those horns are just the rest of the leaves that have yet to unfurl, but who fuckin knows. maybe its just more single leaf leaves. weird ass plant.

 

[iwentdoodie]

just a quick pic drop, sent these to dino to show how im abusing his creations

but i did make a really important discovery in that i have been massively underwatering. so, as mr jay told me originally, i saw issues and figured out the cause. id been treating the coco more like soil, not having had experience with it before. that...ah...bad idea. but onward upward etc

hopefully markers can be made out but any questions just lmk. all #1s were popped on Oct 31, all others over the weekend of Nov 8th.

SD x TCT

Super Car


TK s1 with super car behind cause i ran outta room