Gout?

HBZ

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Anyone ever suffer with gout?? This is the third time suffering with and I'll tell ya it's insane..I consider myself to have a extreme pain tolerance..Last bout with it it crossed my mind to off myself...that may sound dramatic and extreme but it made me crazy...no sleep for 4 days straight and the pain was something I can't explain...It's kicking my ass again....Anyone know of any old tips or tricks to get rid of it...herbal remedies? Ive failed at every attempt to ease the pain. Apple cider vinegar soaks..Epsom soaks..Pounding into my body the tart cherry as it was the only thing that I believe that made it go away last time.. Hopefully someone has some input..going to the doctor for pain killers is not a option as they don't touch gout anyways
 

Rosinallday

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Have you tried the vegan/vegetarian diet? Isn't gout caused by eating too much rich food? I have a good friend who's wife has the gout and she drinks a bottle of wine every day but when the gout gets bad she quits drinking and it gets better so that may work as well if you're drinking alcohol.
 

HBZ

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Have you tried the vegan/vegetarian diet? Isn't gout caused by eating too much rich food? I have a good friend who's wife has the gout and she drinks a bottle of wine every day but when the gout gets bad she quits drinking and it gets better so that may work as well if you're drinking alcohol.
Alcohol is the very first thing to stop when I feel it coming on.. Honestly didn't eat anything yesterday and won't take a bite today... slamming the water...
 

spyralout

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I’ve had severe gout and I consider myself also to have an extremely high pain tolerance as well. This is no joke type of pain. My dad and brother both have it. It’s caused by too much uric acid produced by the kidneys. It travels down through gravity and collects in your feet. Mostly toes, then crystallizes and causes that agonizing pain (shredding your nerves). @Rosinallday you are correct it can be caused by rich foods as well as shellfish and alcohol. I was on keto for a while when I developed it so I had to cut back on the meats. The one medicine that I found to work is a maintenance med called Probenecid. I no longer have bouts of gout even without the Probenecid but when I did it was the second worst pain I’ve had in my entire life (the first being gut pain).
 

GthaEnigma

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I had a boss who had a really bad bout of that nasty shit years back and he described it the same way. Down to the wanting to off himself from the pain. I feel for you man. He used tart cherry juice. No red meat or processed i.e. sausage or lunch meat. And especially no alcohol. Lots of veg. It took him 6 wks to get back on his feet and a couple more to fully recover.
 

Amarok

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Had gout for decades, undiagnosed for 15 years or so. I would be helpless for days, crawling from bed to bathroom when necessary, hardly eating due to the pain involved in getting to the kitchen.
Once it was diagnosed, it's been very manageable.

I have been prescribed colchicine in a .6mg dose. I take two when I feel an attack starting and then one twice a day until the attack is over. Ibuprofin in tandem can help.

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That said, the long term solution is lifestyle based. Changing your diet only when an attack is underway is reactive, and health requires a proactive response. It's like going on a diet to lose weight and then going back to your old unhealthy diet: a yoyo of pain and deterioration.

Do all the stuff you know you should do anyway: cut back on alcohol and fatty foods and exercise more. Your gout issue will mostly disappear and you will have a bunch of other benefits. Source: I quit booze, eat better, lost 100 pounds and get only very occasional and mostly minor gout flareups and have a much happier life.
 

HBZ

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I started a tumeric ginger supplement yesterday I'll have to grab some magnesium ...Any way I look at it I think it's just something that has to pass. I won't be eating anything for a few days. And when I actually decide to it will be some celery and raw broccoli
 

HBZ

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Had gout for decades, undiagnosed for 15 years or so. I would be helpless for days, crawling from bed to bathroom when necessary, hardly eating due to the pain involved in getting to the kitchen.
Once it was diagnosed, it's been very manageable.

I have been prescribed colchicine in a .6mg dose. I take two when I feel an attack starting and then one twice a day until the attack is over. Ibuprofin in tandem can help.

---------------------------------------------

That said, the long term solution is lifestyle based. Changing your diet only when an attack is underway is reactive, and health requires a proactive response. It's like going on a diet to lose weight and then going back to your old unhealthy diet: a yoyo of pain and deterioration.

Do all the stuff you know you should do anyway: cut back on alcohol and fatty foods and exercise more. Your gout issue will mostly disappear and you will have a bunch of other benefits. Source: I quit booze, eat better, lost 100 pounds and get only very occasional and mostly minor gout flareups and have a much happier life.
I do fully see that some drastic lifestyle changes need to happen..I can't deal with gout and ANYTHING including strict diet is easier than dealing with this amount of pain...Strict diet isn't easy either but I'm at the age where easy isn't a option anymore..Thanks for the words it's actually motivational more than ya know
 

spyralout

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Had gout for decades, undiagnosed for 15 years or so. I would be helpless for days, crawling from bed to bathroom when necessary, hardly eating due to the pain involved in getting to the kitchen.
Once it was diagnosed, it's been very manageable.

I have been prescribed colchicine in a .6mg dose. I take two when I feel an attack starting and then one twice a day until the attack is over. Ibuprofin in tandem can help.

---------------------------------------------

That said, the long term solution is lifestyle based. Changing your diet only when an attack is underway is reactive, and health requires a proactive response. It's like going on a diet to lose weight and then going back to your old unhealthy diet: a yoyo of pain and deterioration.

Do all the stuff you know you should do anyway: cut back on alcohol and fatty foods and exercise more. Your gout issue will mostly disappear and you will have a bunch of other benefits. Source: I quit booze, eat better, lost 100 pounds and get only very occasional and mostly minor gout flareups and have a much happier life.
Very well put. My dad and I would actually go to work (separate work places) walking with half our sides super bow legged, sometimes literally dragging a foot like it was totally dead. In retrospect what a stupid idea that was cuz every little step would just slash away at those nerves. Plus driving home (a danger in itself to me and others) sometimes I had to pull over and contemplate calling 911. You know it’s bad when your brain actually tells you to call 911 ?
Colchicine was not effective for either my dad or me. Sounds like it’s a genetics thing. They also gave Indomethicin for breakthrough pain but agreed, Ibuprofen worked better. I exercise lightly (before my last stint in the hospital), my diet has changed but not very drastically. Moderation is key here. I can still enjoy the β€œbad” stuff but not go overboard on it like at a buffet or something lol. At the risk of jinxing myself, it’s been over 3 years since my last gout attack, and I no longer take any meds for it.
 

spyralout

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Had gout for decades, undiagnosed for 15 years or so. I would be helpless for days, crawling from bed to bathroom when necessary, hardly eating due to the pain involved in getting to the kitchen.
Once it was diagnosed, it's been very manageable.

I have been prescribed colchicine in a .6mg dose. I take two when I feel an attack starting and then one twice a day until the attack is over. Ibuprofin in tandem can help.

---------------------------------------------

That said, the long term solution is lifestyle based. Changing your diet only when an attack is underway is reactive, and health requires a proactive response. It's like going on a diet to lose weight and then going back to your old unhealthy diet: a yoyo of pain and deterioration.

Do all the stuff you know you should do anyway: cut back on alcohol and fatty foods and exercise more. Your gout issue will mostly disappear and you will have a bunch of other benefits. Source: I quit booze, eat better, lost 100 pounds and get only very occasional and mostly minor gout flareups and have a much happier life.
I can attest to this. I did the Pepsi Challenge on both Chelated and Tartrate forms with the Chelated being by far the most effective.
 

Amarok

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I do fully see that some drastic lifestyle changes need to happen..I can't deal with gout and ANYTHING including strict diet is easier than dealing with this amount of pain...Strict diet isn't easy either but I'm at the age where easy isn't a option anymore..Thanks for the words it's actually motivational more than ya know
You are welcome. If my experiences can help someone else, it made it a little bit worth it.

A bit more dribble from my brain:

Your use of the words "drastic" and "strict" make this sound like a punishment. If you look at this process like that, it may feel like a punishment and be that much more difficult.
You are beginning a journey that will extend your life and increase your quality of life. Try to see it as that.

Do you want that fatty, tasty steak, or do you want a few more years to watch your grandkids grow up? My dad thought he was immortal and chose the steak. He dropped dead too young and he didn't have to. His grandkids suffered for the loss.

Sorry for the heavy rant, this is a topic near and dear to me.
 

InfiniteIndo

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For natural remedies you can find herbs that are xanthine oxidase inhibitors. Personally I've used burdock root and nettle leaf in conjunction that seemed to help at one point and didn't seem to help at another. (The reason for the herb not helping soon after could be because after a while of inhibiting the production of uric acid, crystals break down and reintroduce that uric acid that formed them back into your blood, causing levels to rise which can trigger or prolong an attack.. the same thing happens with the prescription meds that inhibit xanthine oxidase)

The burdock root being the herb that inhibits the enzyme. This is the same process some prescription medicines do to lower uric acid levels in the blood which is what causes an attack in the first place and can stop them from happening in the future if you keep the level low enough. There are herbs that are more effective at blocking the enzyme I just don't remember the names off the top of my head. If you Google xanthine oxidase inhibitors or something along those lines you'll find info on the matter.

If I get an attack I eat wild blueberries, walnuts, broccoli things of that nature (antioxidants are helpful for this and good for you in general) mostly just so I'm not taking ibuprofen on an empty stomach. Usually the ibuprofen will take the pain down a notch to the point it's not terrible and you can move a bit without it feeling like each step is the hardest thing you've done in life lol. I take about 400mg of that per day max when I have an attack until the attack is gone.

Staying hydrated, exercising, taking herbs and eating a mostly vegan diet can do the trick. Avoid high sugar/high carb foods. Avoid processed foods. Eat like our ancestors did. Also make cherry extracts, herbs etc. apart of your lifestyle not something you do when the problem arises. Use these things proactively to prevent an attack not as a remedy for when an attack starts. The ultimate goal is to lower your uric acid level under a specific threshold and thus never have an attack.
 

HBZ

❄️πŸ”₯πŸ’Ž FORAGER of FIRE πŸ’ŽπŸ”₯❄️
You are welcome. If my experiences can help someone else, it made it a little bit worth it.

A bit more dribble from my brain:

Your use of the words "drastic" and "strict" make this sound like a punishment. If you look at this process like that, it may feel like a punishment and be that much more difficult.
You are beginning a journey that will extend your life and increase your quality of life. Try to see it as that.

Do you want that fatty, tasty steak, or do you want a few more years to watch your grandkids grow up? My dad thought he was immortal and chose the steak. He dropped dead too young and he didn't have to. His grandkids suffered for the loss.

Sorry for the heavy rant, this is a topic near and dear to me.
Some very wise words and food for thought...You are very correct...It usually takes me a good kick in the ass to get fully motivated but once I decide to do something it's normally extreme and perfected...Thanks man ..this is exactly the sort of thing I needed to hear
 

Skunky Dunk Farms

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I started a tumeric ginger supplement yesterday I'll have to grab some magnesium ...Any way I look at it I think it's just something that has to pass. I won't be eating anything for a few days. And when I actually decide to it will be some celery and raw broccoli
There is a magnesium oil that you can spray on and rub in. My wife buys it somewhere online but works great on the extremities for pain and nerve type pains from gout.
 

HBZ

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For natural remedies you can find herbs that are xanthine oxidase inhibitors. Personally I've used burdock root and nettle leaf in conjunction that seemed to help at one point and didn't seem to help at another. (The reason for the herb not helping soon after could be because after a while of inhibiting the production of uric acid, crystals break down and reintroduce that uric acid that formed them back into your blood, causing levels to rise which can trigger or prolong an attack.. the same thing happens with the prescription meds that inhibit xanthine oxidase)

The burdock root being the herb that inhibits the enzyme. This is the same process some prescription medicines do to lower uric acid levels in the blood which is what causes an attack in the first place and can stop them from happening in the future if you keep the level low enough. There are herbs that are more effective at blocking the enzyme I just don't remember the names off the top of my head. If you Google xanthine oxidase inhibitors or something along those lines you'll find info on the matter.

If I get an attack I eat wild blueberries, walnuts, broccoli things of that nature (antioxidants are helpful for this and good for you in general) mostly just so I'm not taking ibuprofen on an empty stomach. Usually the ibuprofen will take the pain down a notch to the point it's not terrible and you can move a bit without it feeling like each step is the hardest thing you've done in life lol. I take about 400mg of that per day max when I have an attack until the attack is gone.

Staying hydrated, exercising, taking herbs and eating a mostly vegan diet can do the trick. Avoid high sugar/high carb foods. Avoid processed foods. Eat like our ancestors did. Also make cherry extracts, herbs etc. apart of your lifestyle not something you do when the problem arises. Use these things proactively to prevent an attack not as a remedy for when an attack starts. The ultimate goal is to lower your uric acid level under a specific threshold and thus never have an attack.
Very helpful info. Thanks so much
 
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