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916DanFan

In Bloom
I still use square plastic pots for my coco grows.
Good thread man. I wondered why some of the popular felt pots weren't mentioned and now I know. I hadn't considered how the felt could harbor "klingons" but that is a good point. How do your square pot coco grows compare to the fabric pot grows? and what size square pot do you use for coco? I like the square Hydrofarm pots too.
 

Gentlemancorpse

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Good thread man. I wondered why some of the popular felt pots weren't mentioned and now I know. I hadn't considered how the felt could harbor "klingons" but that is a good point. How do your square pot coco grows compare to the fabric pot grows? and what size square pot do you use for coco? I like the square Hydrofarm pots too.
I use a variety of sizes. For my 12/12 from seed hunts I've been using the 5"x5" ones, I believe they are half gallons? But I have them running all the way up to 3 gallon size.

I find with the fabric pots the air pruning of the roots allows for a larger plant in a smaller pot without root binding issues and just from some loose observations I feel like you get more vigorous vegetative growth. The other side of the coin is my environment is really dry, especially this time of year, and I'm finding myself watering the the fabric pots much more frequently than the plastic pots. At least every two days.

But on the whole I like using the fabric pots so far. We will see how they do in flower. Only ones km not thrilled with are the Radicle Bags. The larger holes in the mesh are allowing some of the soil to escape every watering. It's not enough that it's depleting the bags or anything, but you can clearly see soiling coming out when you water and it's built a film across the bottom of the trays.
 

916DanFan

In Bloom
I use a variety of sizes. For my 12/12 from seed hunts I've been using the 5"x5" ones, I believe they are half gallons? But I have them running all the way up to 3 gallon size.

I find with the fabric pots the air pruning of the roots allows for a larger plant in a smaller pot without root binding issues and just from some loose observations I feel like you get more vigorous vegetative growth. The other side of the coin is my environment is really dry, especially this time of year, and I'm finding myself watering the the fabric pots much more frequently than the plastic pots. At least every two days.

But on the whole I like using the fabric pots so far. We will see how they do in flower. Only ones km not thrilled with are the Radicle Bags. The larger holes in the mesh are allowing some of the soil to escape every watering. It's not enough that it's depleting the bags or anything, but you can clearly see soiling coming out when you water and it's built a film across the bottom of the trays.
Are you automated or watering by hand? Nobody hand waters "slow enough". I just posted about Netafim's new 5-inch NetBow watering rings that get it down to a true trickle and should easily wick an entire 3g pot (any kind) to complete saturation. The 10-inch model is meant for 5g+ containers, while the new 5-inch is for 3g's and below. Sadly, the 5-inch ones won't be in retail stores until February due to logistics. Check em out at berryhilldrip.com!
 

Gentlemancorpse

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Are you automated or watering by hand? Nobody hand waters "slow enough". I just posted about Netafim's new 5-inch NetBow watering rings that get it down to a true trickle and should easily wick an entire 3g pot (any kind) to complete saturation. The 10-inch model is meant for 5g+ containers, while the new 5-inch is for 3g's and below. Sadly, the 5-inch ones won't be in retail stores until February due to logistics. Check em out at berryhilldrip.com!
I'm watering by hand. I've considered automating but I don't really have the space for a large enough reservoir and I've always been a little worried about the possibility of flooding, but that's mostly based off talking to people about their experiences with blumats.

But I can assure you, I water plenty slow enough, and fully saturate the medium in my pots. I've been doing this for a long time now lol. But my rH is really low in the winter. I don't run a humidifier, and maybe I should, but I like to keep things simple. The less I have to plug in the better imo.
 

Gentlemancorpse

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So we're coming into the home stretch on this grow for most of the plants in this run and honestly not a ton to add, my initial impressions basically held throughout the grow.

On the Radicle bags they did water better than I expected, but the bigger mesh holes were a but of an issue because you'd lose fine particulate matter through them periodically. It's left a fine film in the trays over time. But it's not a huge issue. I feel like they would actually be great for long strand coco or peat. All in all I wouldn't buy them again for a home grow, but at their price point if I needed 100 bags for a commercial grow this would be my pick. They are worlds better than the Amazon bags imo so it's worth the extra investment.

The Rain Bags work great but honestly are probably the odd man out. They're very well made and retain water really well, but they're almost too ridgid. End up really having to pack the soil down to prevent air pockets.

But the real reason they're the odd man out for me is just how much I like the Honor bags. If I only need 5 or 6 bags the extra $5 each versus the Rain Bags is worth it to me. This is my perfect grow bag, the exact right balance of strength and flexibility. Also Kevin is just so easy to work with. Answers questions quickly, is super transparent about everything, ships incredibly fast and rewards repeat customers. Obviously everyone has a budget, and the honor bags get expensive quick when you start adding handles and neat colors etc so they may not be for everyone, but they're my pick of the litter for certain. I just ordered 3 more 3 gallon bags in fact. Kevin shipped them the same day I ordered.

I'll update again after harvest to report on the ease of cleaning and share some post grow pics of the bags.

Be well pheno fam.
 

thesunnyvalekid

Boutique Auto Service
So I will chime in, I have used rain science and radicle bags, and nursery pots(plastic).
The oldest rain science bag is 7 years old, 1 gallon black no handles, the one thing these bags and radicle bags do best, breathe. The air exchange in the environment is crucial to allow the coco to wick away moisture. I cannot match this with any other pot I have ever used. Air exchange in my indoor environment is my main priority I believe these help that. 3 gal is the biggest I have used, but I prefer 1 gal for most all my plants, 2 gal if it’s a nice plant that deserves more soil. I always look at cost to produce, I do not spend more for the same outcome, (I do not waste to look pretty) my mothers saying. And as Gentleman said, my experience with radicle bags is the same as his, they bleed soil, I believe the water does the same thing it pours out the sides more. Mesh holes are to big.

The one complaint I have with all these bags are price point, rain science bags are expensive, way out of reach for most growers on a budget, it’s hard to justify the cost when a nursery pot, can work as well.

Another thought I would mention is when using coco, and watering twice a day, maybe three times the wet dry cycle the roots go through is very important for good growth, access to air by the roots helps control this, and keeps your root zone active.
Just my two cents, ha
 

thesunnyvalekid

Boutique Auto Service
So we're coming into the home stretch on this grow for most of the plants in this run and honestly not a ton to add, my initial impressions basically held throughout the grow.

On the Radicle bags they did water better than I expected, but the bigger mesh holes were a but of an issue because you'd lose fine particulate matter through them periodically. It's left a fine film in the trays over time. But it's not a huge issue. I feel like they would actually be great for long strand coco or peat. All in all I wouldn't buy them again for a home grow, but at their price point if I needed 100 bags for a commercial grow this would be my pick. They are worlds better than the Amazon bags imo so it's worth the extra investment.

The Rain Bags work great but honestly are probably the odd man out. They're very well made and retain water really well, but they're almost too ridgid. End up really having to pack the soil down to prevent air pockets.

But the real reason they're the odd man out for me is just how much I like the Honor bags. If I only need 5 or 6 bags the extra $5 each versus the Rain Bags is worth it to me. This is my perfect grow bag, the exact right balance of strength and flexibility. Also Kevin is just so easy to work with. Answers questions quickly, is super transparent about everything, ships incredibly fast and rewards repeat customers. Obviously everyone has a budget, and the honor bags get expensive quick when you start adding handles and neat colors etc so they may not be for everyone, but they're my pick of the litter for certain. I just ordered 3 more 3 gallon bags in fact. Kevin shipped them the same day I ordered.

I'll update again after harvest to report on the ease of cleaning and share some post grow pics of the bags.

Be well pheno fam.
Very well done documented piece G, very good info.
 

Gentlemancorpse

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So I will chime in, I have used rain science and radicle bags, and nursery pots(plastic).
The oldest rain science bag is 7 years old, 1 gallon black no handles, the one thing these bags and radicle bags do best, breathe. The air exchange in the environment is crucial to allow the coco to wick away moisture. I cannot match this with any other pot I have ever used. Air exchange in my indoor environment is my main priority I believe these help that. 3 gal is the biggest I have used, but I prefer 1 gal for most all my plants, 2 gal if it’s a nice plant that deserves more soil. I always look at cost to produce, I do not spend more for the same outcome, (I do not waste to look pretty) my mothers saying. And as Gentleman said, my experience with radicle bags is the same as his, they bleed soil, I believe the water does the same thing it pours out the sides more. Mesh holes are to big.

The one complaint I have with all these bags are price point, rain science bags are expensive, way out of reach for most growers on a budget, it’s hard to justify the cost when a nursery pot, can work as well.

Another thought I would mention is when using coco, and watering twice a day, maybe three times the wet dry cycle the roots go through is very important for good growth, access to air by the roots helps control this, and keeps your root zone active.
Just my two cents, ha
I agree, the price point on the Rain Science and Honor bags is steep for a lot of growers. But I think when you look at the long term costs it balances out. They'll outlast the cheap felt pots and produce better results than nursery pots/hard plastic pots. But obviously people operate within their own budget so they aren't for everyone. For me, supporting small, US businesses is important so that factors in as well. As I mentioned, if I need 100 bags instead of 12 the equation would be different obviously!

Appreciate your additions to the conversation, love hearing how people's experiences compare to my own. Think it really helps the community make informed purchases when we all share our thoughts on these products.
 

thesunnyvalekid

Boutique Auto Service
I agree, the price point on the Rain Science and Honor bags is steep for a lot of growers. But I think when you look at the long term costs it balances out. They'll outlast the cheap felt pots and produce better results than nursery pots/hard plastic pots. But obviously people operate within their own budget so they aren't for everyone. For me, supporting small, US businesses is important so that factors in as well. As I mentioned, if I need 100 bags instead of 12 the equation would be different obviously!

Appreciate your additions to the conversation, love hearing how people's experiences compare to my own. Think it really helps the community make informed purchases when we all share our thoughts on these products.
Could not agree more, community effort is very important for sustainability in this mass internet we live in, I very much enjoy people’s input on topics that interest me and like to add if I feel others might find it useful to them, also because I love to talk, ha!
 

thesunnyvalekid

Boutique Auto Service
I have a quick update:
Recently I ordered some grow bags from a new company I found. Not sure about the bags I ordered one 1gal. bag, I received the order today. Comparing them to rain science bags besides the rim on top the are about the same in size and shape, depth. The fabric is not as thick perhaps half as thick as rain science bags but hole density the same. The cost plus shipping is $10.60 a bag, $6 a bag that’s for 1gal. plus shipping. On the shipping I’m not sure if that’s flat rate for the whole order, so if you ordered more than one could be a good deal.
Overall I would use these, I’m going to buy 6 more and do a run with them. 9D7C40FA-350B-4B70-A741-E0F3D11F31A3.jpeg C7D5156B-DE69-4FFE-A720-53A0B3BCC4B8.png
 

thesunnyvalekid

Boutique Auto Service
I have a quick update:
Recently I ordered some grow bags from a new company I found. Not sure about the bags I ordered one 1gal. bag, I received the order today. Comparing them to rain science bags besides the rim on top the are about the same in size and shape, depth. The fabric is not as thick perhaps half as thick as rain science bags but hole density the same. The cost plus shipping is $10.60 a bag, $6 a bag that’s for 1gal. plus shipping. On the shipping I’m not sure if that’s flat rate for the whole order, so if you ordered more than one could be a good deal.
Overall I would use these, I’m going to buy 6 more and do a run with them. View attachment 106655 View attachment 106656
After closer inspection it appears they used fabric thread instead on nylon like rain science uses and they are single woven where as rain science is double woven fabric, so half the materials it appears, but price point is good on a budget. DED16A78-2AFD-41F7-BD50-BC96C0A73593.jpeg
 

thesunnyvalekid

Boutique Auto Service
After closer inspection it appears they used fabric thread instead on nylon like rain science uses and they are single woven where as rain science is double woven fabric, so half the materials it appears, but price point is good on a budget. View attachment 106657
Another note, the are more in line with radicle bags in size, here is rain science 1gal. In side the new bag. E51B9998-4245-41D6-94D6-9F0C21A4EE35.jpeg
 

thesunnyvalekid

Boutique Auto Service
Another note, the are more in line with radicle bags in size, here is rain science 1gal. In side the new bag. View attachment 106658
You might notice the media and wonder what’s that, well no it’s not bark, it’s coco chunks, no perlite, no other media. A friend said you could not grow in coco bark, I love to prove friends wrong. She gets nothing else, no cal/mag, no bio stimulants, no root stimulant, just nutrient solution. I couldn’t tell you what strength or EC or PPM I don’t check that no more, just my love is all she gets. She is droopy she dried out a bit this am, I was late watering her, and it got below zero out in the Midwest, snow. 7D02B37B-68A5-48EE-9432-7D2124FEC7C6.jpeg
She hasn’t even got her nails done yet, ha.
 

thesunnyvalekid

Boutique Auto Service
You might notice the media and wonder what’s that, well no it’s not bark, it’s coco chunks, no perlite, no other media. A friend said you could not grow in coco bark, I love to prove friends wrong. She gets nothing else, no cal/mag, no bio stimulants, no root stimulant, just nutrient solution. I couldn’t tell you what strength or EC or PPM I don’t check that no more, just my love is all she gets. She is droopy she dried out a bit this am, I was late watering her, and it got below zero out in the Midwest, snow. View attachment 106659
She hasn’t even got her nails done yet, ha.
She is a Solstice Auto Flower, HSC genetic. She is at around 50-60 days old from the look of her, perhaps 20-30 days left. I’m not sure I don’t keep track of age, the plant tells me the maturity.
 

Gentlemancorpse

Cannabis Chaotician
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After closer inspection it appears they used fabric thread instead on nylon like rain science uses and they are single woven where as rain science is double woven fabric, so half the materials it appears, but price point is good on a budget. View attachment 106657
I'm definitely intrigued. These seem to split the difference between the Radicle and the Rain Science bags, both in terms of cost and design. Looking forward to hearing your post grow thoughts on them!
 

thesunnyvalekid

Boutique Auto Service
I'm definitely intrigued. These seem to split the difference between the Radicle and the Rain Science bags, both in terms of cost and design. Looking forward to hearing your post grow thoughts on them!
Yep G, I’m right with you, I went ahead ordered 6 more, left a nice note for the owners, it was quite the deal for $10.60 really they threw in a half gallon bag too and a sticker, hmm, now I’m sure (SiliconValleyKidHere) the algorithm that Etsy uses knows I buy from 20Twenty so I imagine Etsy is trying to use good marketing for the members perhaps huh? The sticker got me. It’s just the tech guy in me is all.
Anyhow G as soon as they arrive, I got some Mosca Autos I will run in them, I think Frosted Watermelon. Stay tuned.
 

OldG

Elite Hobbyist
AWESOME thread. i will watch you grow them out and it may influence my future purchases of some mesh bags.

My favorite fabric bag is the GrassRoots MADE IN USA Lined planters. i have 5/7/10/20/30 and a 45 and they are incredibly well made...the plastic lining on the top 80% fixes most of the watering BS problems.

I am sure these guys make 5s...and i would run a 5 of coco... :O

I will be watching....To be Honest....I like those the BEST....the smiling budha dude...SOLD
 
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