GROWING ON A TIGHT BUDGET share your experience

horribleherk

home grown
Another area that I've saved a lot of money on since becoming a member here is seeds by entering contests & exchanging seeds with other members I've got enough good genetics to carry me well into or past next year life is good I've came to the conclusion that if I cant find it here I just might not need it 20210916_110902.jpg 20210916_110910.jpg
 

horribleherk

home grown
I've got more ideas & things to share as soon as I'm able to access my shop/growroom as I recently had a bout with gangrene resulting in the loss of my right foot & lower leg so for right now I'm limited in mobility but am expecting my prosthetic limb the first week of october all of my threads are behind as well as my journal in which this information is already covered I want to take a minute to thank everyone for their input so far
 
I'll cast another vote for jacks its some great shit, easy to mix into a 2 part base mix with the jacks hydro and Epsom in one stock solution and the cal nit in another, I supplement with silica at 50% recommended dosage kelp 4 less humic/fulvic/kelp mix at 50% once a week and recharge once every 2 weeks the results are pretty dam good, everything in my journal was grown using it
 

horribleherk

home grown
I'll cast another vote for jacks its some great shit, easy to mix into a 2 part base mix with the jacks hydro and Epsom in one stock solution and the cal nit in another, I supplement with silica at 50% recommended dosage kelp 4 less humic/fulvic/kelp mix at 50% once a week and recharge once every 2 weeks the results are pretty dam good, everything in my journal was grown using it
Jacks is looking better all the time I've heard absolutely nothing negative about the stuff
 

aridbud

In Bloom
So...when I was a dry salt feet guy...I used to mix my modified Lucas in a 5 gallon bucket with a plastic spoon until dissolved and then bubble for about 12 hrs...put in the aquarium pump in the buckets and get the hose on it and water away...it's cheap enough....not the cheapest View attachment 81991
Then the easiest I ever used and again...cheap enough...
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That is all I have used...I'm all organic soil and teas...reuse my soils, just re-ammend and cook for 30+ days turning a few times, keeping it wet and covered.
It gets better and better Everytime.
Yes, and replenish with azomite, ewc, alfalfa and kelp meal. You're good to grow.....organically!!
 

DankDog

Stretching
I've got more ideas & things to share as soon as I'm able to access my shop/growroom as I recently had a bout with gangrene resulting in the loss of my right foot & lower leg so for right now I'm limited in mobility but am expecting my prosthetic limb the first week of october all of my threads are behind as well as my journal in which this information is already covered I want to take a minute to thank everyone for their input so far
Have you found a way to inhibit that gangrene? I have a family member(in law) that has been having some issues with it over the last few years. I think diet and exercise had a big impact for him, but genetics plays its role and he took some supplements with it so who knows.

I hope everyone keeps posting good tips, this thread got my interest for sure. Thanks for starting this herk.

My experience isnt much with shirleys and rather generic but I try to buy in large quantities if they are inert and wont spoil or attract pests I might have some bulk sitting for a years before I buy more. And look for deals/coupons to couple, some stores put out hearty coupons locally for me. Usually order online but some things end up cheaper locally. That would depend on your specific market. There are lots of products on Amazon where you basicslly get fucked for the convenience of it and could save that dough ordering through a true vendor.
I also try to mix my own version of soils, sprays, feedings/ferts, and now ipms(from recommendations here).
3cuft of peat moss is like $8-$10 at the big box stores. Local native mulch tends to be cheap and breaks down slowly to provide some nutes.
I have a compost pile that is the best single cheapest investment I made for my plants. Great for soil, fertilizing teas, and top dressing, its relatively sustainable though I do add my rock dust mix in there everything else is free and would be of waste otherwise.
Yes, and replenish with azomite, ewc, alfalfa and kelp meal. You're good to grow.....organically!!
So my opinion is against the big azomite hype train. From what little I know about azomite has some of the highest amounts of lead, arsenic and other heavy metals, its not really sustainable, and its fahcking expensive holy shit.

With some of the lowest testing in those same metals for my cheap rock dust and making ions available I use a combo of oyster shell flour, green sand, garden gypsum, food grade de(this isnt cheap for what you get but has dual purpose on insects), and ag lime(~12%mg). I use basalt dust sometimes which is also cheaper and lower in the toxic metals.
Word to the wise, many alfalfa farmers spray herbicides on their crops which I'd be hesitant to use for growing anything with.
 

18B

In Bloom
Pretty much any big ag byproducts (biomass, manures, etc) are going to have hormones, pesticides, and heavy metals. Organic doesn't mean what most people think it does to the USDA.
Have you found a way to inhibit that gangrene? I have a family member(in law) that has been having some issues with it over the last few years. I think diet and exercise had a big impact for him, but genetics plays its role and he took some supplements with it so who knows.

I hope everyone keeps posting good tips, this thread got my interest for sure. Thanks for starting this herk.

My experience isnt much with shirleys and rather generic but I try to buy in large quantities if they are inert and wont spoil or attract pests I might have some bulk sitting for a years before I buy more. And look for deals/coupons to couple, some stores put out hearty coupons locally for me. Usually order online but some things end up cheaper locally. That would depend on your specific market. There are lots of products on Amazon where you basicslly get fucked for the convenience of it and could save that dough ordering through a true vendor.
I also try to mix my own version of soils, sprays, feedings/ferts, and now ipms(from recommendations here).
3cuft of peat moss is like $8-$10 at the big box stores. Local native mulch tends to be cheap and breaks down slowly to provide some nutes.
I have a compost pile that is the best single cheapest investment I made for my plants. Great for soil, fertilizing teas, and top dressing, its relatively sustainable though I do add my rock dust mix in there everything else is free and would be of waste otherwise.

So my opinion is against the big azomite hype train. From what little I know about azomite has some of the highest amounts of lead, arsenic and other heavy metals, its not really sustainable, and its fahcking expensive holy shit.

With some of the lowest testing in those same metals for my cheap rock dust and making ions available I use a combo of oyster shell flour, green sand, garden gypsum, food grade de(this isnt cheap for what you get but has dual purpose on insects), and ag lime(~12%mg). I use basalt dust sometimes which is also cheaper and lower in the toxic metals.
Word to the wise, many alfalfa farmers spray herbicides on their crops which I'd be hesitant to use for growing anything with.
Well said Herk...very very true...I use what you have listed there as well...DE is also a silicate,?...I use my own manures from horses chickens guineas etc...I know when I have given them chemical wormers and do not collect manure from them for 60 days...but horses and cows get injected with antibiotics and acepromaline etc...yeah not so good...but we grow a lot of alfalfa here in VA...no spraying...I use our alfalfa...I too try to minimize the amounts of heavy metals etc!
 

OldG

Elite Hobbyist
After thinking about how to do it cheapest. here it is

Bubble buckets...make them yourself...basket lids and a 5 gallon bucket air stones and pump, or a hydro red flood and drain

Clay pebbles...you can use them over and over forevrer....or old pool noodles cut in 1 inch cubes...

Masterblend Tomato or Jacks 3 2 1.

Enzymes...make your own if you are brave enough or get the RAW brand powder. 1/4 tsp per 5 gallons of vivaccous stank murdering enzymes in your rez

The input cost is one time and you do not need to fill 10 gallons of soil.

You do need a ph pen and tds and ph up and down drops but i have a 5 year old 1 quart bottle of ph down and i am about 1 year from the next one.
 

Amarok

bad mother chucker
Staff member
Moderator
After thinking about how to do it cheapest. here it is

Bubble buckets...make them yourself...basket lids and a 5 gallon bucket air stones and pump, or a hydro red flood and drain

Clay pebbles...you can use them over and over forevrer....or old pool noodles cut in 1 inch cubes...

Masterblend Tomato or Jacks 3 2 1.

Enzymes...make your own if you are brave enough or get the RAW brand powder. 1/4 tsp per 5 gallons of vivaccous stank murdering enzymes in your rez

The input cost is one time and you do not need to fill 10 gallons of soil.

You do need a ph pen and tds and ph up and down drops but i have a 5 year old 1 quart bottle of ph down and i am about 1 year from the next one.
100% on Jacks, but I contend that hempy-style buckets are cheaper and simpler than bubblers or FnD. No pump, no stone to clog, no extra noise and vibration, one less power outlet needed.
 

aridbud

In Bloom
Yes...I know what you mean by that metalic taste...that's why I went to organic soils etc...taste!
EXACTLY!!! And, if you can 'taste' it, what is it doing at the cellular level in your body? Hmmmmmm.

And as for azomite, a little goes a long way....1 part azomite : 50 part of soil/sandy loam. Finding it's source is important, too. Just like peat- find where it's sourced. Food grade azomite is quite beneficial for strong root growth.

With organic, a good recipe, it can be reused, enhancing next crop thereby using compost, worms, etc. Alfalfa meal or plant meal (kelp, mushroom) for nitrogen is far less toxic than blood/ bone/ feather meal, some from sick/ I'll animals.
 
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Brokehoe

CHOOSE YOUR TITLE
After thinking about how to do it cheapest. here it is

Bubble buckets...make them yourself...basket lids and a 5 gallon bucket air stones and pump, or a hydro red flood and drain

Clay pebbles...you can use them over and over forevrer....or old pool noodles cut in 1 inch cubes...

Masterblend Tomato or Jacks 3 2 1.

Enzymes...make your own if you are brave enough or get the RAW brand powder. 1/4 tsp per 5 gallons of vivaccous stank murdering enzymes in your rez

The input cost is one time and you do not need to fill 10 gallons of soil.

You do need a ph pen and tds and ph up and down drops but i have a 5 year old 1 quart bottle of ph down and i am about 1 year from the next one.
That master blend is pretty cheap. I'm gonna try that next time @OldG I'll be asking about that.
The jacks scares me.
 

PlumberSoCal

? Guy Fire-y ?
That master blend is pretty cheap. I'm gonna try that next time @OldG I'll be asking about that.
The jacks scares me.
I've been using Master Blend for 3 yrs now with coconut coir. Love it. I've grown organic in soil and I can't taste any difference but that doesn't mean there is no difference. Many have questioned using these salts and before one uses them they should do their own research but for me the bottom line is MB works.

I can adjust the formula for the age and stage of a plant(s). I can mix up 1 gallon of a flowering mix and one gallon for seedlings. Ease of use is a big plus for me as well but bottom line is I can't get this speed of growth any other way.

I've been working on a feed chart for a couple years and am currently testing out my flower mix. So far it's working well and I'll write it up and share it here but I have had success following the basic tomato formula (half strength first couple weeks).

So read up on the pros and cons of hydro nutes before using?
 

PlumberSoCal

? Guy Fire-y ?
I put this together using a counter light salvaged from a remodel job , fitted it to this tote with a dome & heatmat I can now move my clones or seedlings around & keep them all in one little area can take out the dome & grow them a bit too right now it's in our spare bedroom popping seeds View attachment 83457 View attachment 83458 View attachment 83459 View attachment 83460 View attachment 83461 View attachment 83462
Love this. I've got 2 4x12" burples that I bet would work well in one of these. Thanks for sharing!
 

OldG

Elite Hobbyist
With masterblend the cal nit is the last part you add. And it will not mix right in the 5 gallon bottle. The best way to mix it is get a tiny cup and put your pre weighed amount in the cup with water and stir it around...let it sit and stir it. In about 2 minutes it is completely disolved in the water and can go in the nutrient water easily.

I did a full grow using (in a 5 gallon bottle)
10ml of silica and calmagic to start
10 grams of MB tomato
10 grams of Epsom Salt
3 grams of Cal nit
That comes out at 750 TDS and i ran an entire bloom cycle with it. I will adjust for more calnit on the next run and pump it up to 1000 tds

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In veg i go 10 tomato 5 epsom 10 calnit

I might as well hone in on it. I have about 1 year left of the stuff and then...i will probably buy more.
 
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