Intersex and bag seeds

[OldG]

Interesting..... so bag seeds...known to have a great chance of intersex.

So what is the difference between stress from the room.....and Colloidial Silver stress? Both are forcing the plant to produce male parts?

It makes me love regs more and more....

 

[Frimpong]

Interesting..... so bag seeds...known to have a great chance of intersex.

So what is the difference between stress from the room.....and Colloidial Silver stress? Both are forcing the plant to produce male parts?

It makes me love regs more and more....

When you make fems, you're not forcing it. It's more like you're blocking it. The plant ends up basically not able to produce female hormones. So it's only option is to turn male. That's a great question tho and can't wait to hear what the pros say . ??

 

[Gentlemancorpse]

Interesting..... so bag seeds...known to have a great chance of intersex.

So what is the difference between stress from the room.....and Colloidial Silver stress? Both are forcing the plant to produce male parts?

It makes me love regs more and more....

There's not actually a ton of evidence that bag seeds are more likely to show intersex traits, it's kind of just hearsay. I know now that most "bags" come from dispos they are likely the result of intersex plants but if your still buying from the plug its just as likely they came from stray pollen. I got plenty of males from bag seeds over the years.

And the debate over whether or not reversing a female increases the likelihood of intersex traits in its progeny has been going on for decades but the problem is there's not much empirical evidence. Personally I haven't seen it. I feel like I see way more intersex plants these days but they come from regs as often as fems, and my guess is it has more to do with trends in strain choices... I love Chem but we all know it has a history of making unstable children... same with GG4, Wedding Cake and a whole slew of other popular cuts.

 

[Willie]

Ha! In my opinion there is not much difference. Males flowers by stress = same result whatever caused them.

Now, that won't make people happy and I expect alot of folks to claim that purposefully stressing them with chemicals is far superior and somehow different in a better way than any natural response the plant offers, with zero proof of course.

It's male pollen from a female plant. Does anyone think the plant has several different male pollens in stock, to offer up for each specific occasion? I don't think so.

 

[PlumberSoCal]

There's not actually a ton of evidence that bag seeds are more likely to show intersex traits, it's kind of just hearsay. I know now that most "bags" come from dispos they are likely the result of intersex plants but if your still buying from the plug its just as likely they came from stray pollen. I got plenty of males from bag seeds over the years.

And the debate over whether or not reversing a female increases the likelihood of intersex traits in its progeny has been going on for decades but the problem is there's not much empirical evidence. Personally I haven't seen it. I feel like I see way more intersex plants these days but they come from regs as often as fems, and my guess is it has more to do with trends in strain choices... I love Chem but we all know it has a history of making unstable children... same with GG4, Wedding Cake and a whole slew of other popular cuts.

And still all worth growing. It's amazing what's been produced in the past couple decades using those strains. But it's a real bitch when balls show up where you don't want 'em.

 

[Gentlemancorpse]

Ha! In my opinion there is not much difference. Males flowers by stress = same result whatever caused them.

Now, that won't make people happy and I expect alot of folks to claim that purposefully stressing them with chemicals is far superior and somehow different in a better way than any natural response the plant offers, with zero proof of course.

It's male pollen from a female plant. Does anyone think the plant has several different male pollens in stock, to offer up for each specific occasion? I don't think so.

I mean, the real question isn't about the pollen it's about the DNA being passed on. If a plant goes intersex unintentionally it is clearly carrying traits that make it vulnerable to environmental stress or was going to go intersex no matter what. But if you reverse a plant that WOULDN'T have otherwise have gone intersex, have you altered its genetics in a way that can be passed on?

If not, then chemically induced reversals should produce more stable progeny than those that are caused by naturally occurring genetics.

But there is a hypothesis about plants passing on forced phenotypic expressions as well as genetic ones that if true, would suggest that forced reversals would also increase the likelihood their progeny showing intersex traits. But it's hotly debated in scientific circles at the moment which is why its still definitely a hypothesis. It hasn't even reached theory stage yet.

So basically, we can only go off our personal experiences for the time being, and the proliferation of feminized seeds suggests that if reversals do increase the odds of intersex traits it's not at a particularly high rate

 

[Willie]

I mean, the real question isn't about the pollen it's about the DNA being passed on. If a plant goes intersex unintentionally it is clearly carrying traits that make it vulnerable to environmental stress or was going to go intersex no matter what. But if you reverse a plant that WOULDN'T have otherwise have gone intersex, have you altered its genetics in a way that can be passed on?

If not, then chemically induced reversals should produce more stable progeny than those that are caused by naturally occurring genetics.

But there is a hypothesis about plants passing on forced phenotypic expressions as well as genetic ones that if true, would suggest that forced reversals would also increase the likelihood their progeny showing intersex traits. But it's hotly debated in scientific circles at the moment which is why its still definitely a hypothesis. It hasn't even reached theory stage yet.

So basically, we can only go off our personal experiences for the time being, and the proliferation of feminized seeds suggests that if reversals do increase the odds of intersex traits it's not at a particularly high rate

I agree. It's in the genetics. And my experience is similar to yours in that fems have no monopoly on going hermie. It's been just as much one as the other...

And it's mind boggling to think about what a real life test would entail to determine whether accidental fems hermie more than on purpose fems.

 

[PlumberSoCal]

I had an auto cross of Magnum and reg Dragon Flanes f2 that hermed. It had a funky dirty dishrag/sweet smell. I've grown out 12 plants, all fems in 3 past grows. None have hermed and none has had that insane combo smell as mom even though they all looked like her, just different hights. I harvested 6 about a month ago and still great smoke but no seeds. I wasn't planning on growing any more but mom was a fall grow so I may as that odd taste was really good, go figure.

 

[EatPraySmoke]

Had success with bagseeds and alot of failures. Early on I had a strain natural herm on me that was a Bagseed and grew the beans out from a lady she knocked up. None of them hermed and I kept an eye on them. Decided to cross them to a stable strain. 16:1 ratio every female hermed in those F1s during some part of flower. Found females that didn't herm and decided to cross them to another stable strain(this was a long time ago and it was trial-and-error so forgive the herm breeding). Same ratio but the herm trait was shown early in flower. I've stressed stable strains and even chemically changed some and in my experience genetics plays a very strong part. Apologize for the long story.

 

[Psychobilly]

Ha! In my opinion there is not much difference. Males flowers by stress = same result whatever caused them.

Now, that won't make people happy and I expect alot of folks to claim that purposefully stressing them with chemicals is far superior and somehow different in a better way than any natural response the plant offers, with zero proof of course.

It's male pollen from a female plant. Does anyone think the plant has several different male pollens in stock, to offer up for each specific occasion? I don't think so.

Personally I don't know enough about this to say very much.... I have stressed clones out before because I wanted some seeds of that strain, and before I joined here that was legit all I had in my seed collection.

I keep Blue Cheese hermie seeds as that's what I use to grow that strain and personally I get Male plants too. I don't mean bananas I mean the little green acorn of doom that I have to sort through when I'm running my plants.

Since I don't breed as of yet, and I grow my seeds out simply to smoke the results and usually have a few seeds in the buds that I put aside for the next season and that works out pretty well so far.