Schwaggy P's Random Stuff

[Buck5050]

...should be pretty close to finish on the HPNL mash-up. How's it panning out?

 

[Schwaggy P]

...should be pretty close to finish on the HPNL mash-up. How's it panning out?

At day 50 of flower for them and a couple standouts have my eye and nose so far. On the whole the (NL2 x HP) are not warranting much attention with the exception of one pheno. Some phenos have a strong sweet berry smell coming from the NL. The (HP x NL1) have more interesting looking phenos and some have taken on more of the sharp spray paint note to their earthy/berry smells. Final smoke on all will be the ultimate decider as I want a knockout stone.

NL#2 x '88G13HP - (Bodhi)
Earthy/berry smell, looks to be a true 8-week finisher, great tacky trichome texture, nice balance of parents, not a picky feeder (~2mL Foliage Pro every watering)

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A few '88G13HP x NL#1 - (Coastal)
They have much more weight to them, will need at least til 9wks, larger calyxes than NL2HP, sharper solvent smell to bouquet, larger yielding phenos could've had higher feeds (everything got same 1-part at 2mL to give ideas about base level feed requirement)

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The chosen males of each NLHP cross were flowered and several vials of pollen have been collected and currently inhabit the freezer. Once I narrow down the female selection for each cross, they'll get a second round flowering on the hydro tables and get single branch pollinations from each male so that I have some F2 of each cross as well as the hybridized versions. The purpose of this entire endeavor was to build ingredients for an attempt at making a version of "The Kill" aka "The Rapture" which as Bob Hemphill described, was the most devastating indica bud he's ever smoked and when offered to trade his cut of 4-way to the original holders of the cut, was laughed out of the building.

The genetics of The Kill = (G13 x NL2) x (NL x HP). Since G13 isn't reliably acquirable anymore, I was originally going to work Mr. Nice's G13Skunk knowing that the proper G13 was used and having seen a few skunks, know which phenos are leaning harder to the G13 to work toward. I have since been able to get ahold of this:

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The Airborne G13 = (G13 x NL#2), so this will probably give me more reliable representations of what I'm ultimately looking for vs. having to work backwards from the G13Skunk. If nothing else, Pterodactyl will open up some interesting name possibilities when used in other crosses. I might cross it to Black Lights and name it @Dino Party .

 

[Bodean]

I might cross it to Black Lights and name it @Dino Party .

 

[Dino Party]

Wow, looks excellent! Personally I found it to be a very heavy smoke, great cause I don’t feel like talking or doing shit after. Very much a “sit down and shut up” or “go to bed” smoke, as far as the. NL2HP’s I found. I actually just popped a few more, I’ll keep an eye on them for anything interesting and take cuts, it they’re nice I’ll share em with ya if you’re interested.

 

[Buck5050]

Amazing spear of bud from the coastal side and I agree with the allure. The way the secondaries nug up is fantastic. Filled in really well between the nodes. Nice one there. This is a very good side by side run with a fair approach, much respect swaggs. Hopefully the coastal side can carry some knockdown power into the later rounds.

 

[lambchopedd]

I need to remember that I have a profile here and start posting ?

So I just flipped 11 ‘80s Black Afghani x Skunky Brewster about a week ago. I loved the idea of this cross from the second I saw it announced; would’ve coulda shoulda - - bought more! Nonetheless, looking to do an F2 run if a male & female catches my eye.

So far, (5) Males, (4) females, (2) undeclared

 

[Dino Party]

I need to remember that I have a profile here and start posting ?

So I just flipped 11 ‘80s Black Afghani x Skunky Brewster about a week ago. I loved the idea of this cross from the second I saw it announced; would’ve coulda shoulda - - bought more! Nonetheless, looking to do an F2 run if a male & female catches my eye.

So far, (5) Males, (4) females, (2) undeclared

Part of the reason I drop the pH stuff on IG from time to time, just to refresh people’s memory of us here.

I gotta grab some for my next pop, that or something else with the black Afghan! Sounds amazing

 

[OldG]

Schwaggy., what do you look for in a male?

I just purposly seeded my first tent. 2 males 2 females. 1 male was tall and had copinus pollen and flowers....the other shorter..pollen came later.

The fisrst one was more virile...stronger...taller...quicker. Does that do something to the finish ?

the 2nd was squatter.....thickerr bracketing of branches....slower.

I like quicker but #2 was nice and squat for my grow space.

#3 and #4 were females and #4 was short and squat with thickerr bracketing of branches.

ideally for my taste i would breed #4 and #2.? 5 feet max of grow space with the planter.


And to make everyone have a funny....first of all i am seeded to hell and back from thrip attacks which are down to almost eraadicated with no chance of survival... it could be worse.

But the tent beside the seed tent strangely avoided everything....i have the males in big leaf collection bags in the garage an shook the shit out of them...i cant get pollen to go on a plate or a tray but i am pretty sure i was covered in it...i smelled like sweet cherry weed all night (and i dont care i didnt shower it smelled great,).

next day after that every top on that dream plant turned from white to brown... pollen is POWERFUL

 

[Schwaggy P]

Schwaggy., what do you look for in a male?

It really depends on the goal of his use. If I was working with a line that had a goal of 3 specific traits, I may “double down” on a specific trait expressed in the female so that I can increase the frequency of this trait in subsequent generations. This assumes I’m working a one trait at a time approach. If I was going to do a one-off chuck, I would look for the traits I’d like in the final plants that the female is not expressing in the hopes that the male’s expression of said traits translates into the next generation. So the goal of a pairing will impress upon what I would look for in a male.

A general thing I keep in mind when assessing males is that I will not be able to experience those traits that are expressly “female” (bud related traits like calyx formation, density, full term maturation time, etc.). So concentrate on those traits you can observe in veg. These are more structural traits: internal spacing, stem strength, leaf shape, petiole length, etc. If you have a killer female that produces great smoke, you can try to shore up some of her other less-than-great structural traits. For example, let’s say your female tends to get leafy and the trim is a nightmare. You can select a male that has longer internal spacing, fewer secondary leaves, and longer petioles to open up her frame.

If you have a male that you intend to really work with, you’ll be able to get a better idea about how he influences those expressly female traits as you grow out his progeny with multiple females. If you really want to work a line, you’ll need to make a selection or two and pair him with a few females to grow out and observe what he brings to the table.

Ultimately, the answer is “it depends”. A trait I look for in every male regardless of his purpose is that he does not start dropping pollen in veg.

A few situations for male selection:

• Working a line: find the specific trait or two to reinforce in this filial generation.
• Chucking: select for those intended traits for which the target female is deficient
• Backcrossing: select the male which most closely resembles the target female in as many observable traits as possible

The fisrst one was more virile...stronger...taller...quicker. Does that do something to the finish ?

Generically speaking, I would expect his progeny to be quicker to finish relative to the other male.

ideally for my taste i would breed #4 and #2.? 5 feet max of grow space with the planter.

If your goal is short 'n squat, then these would be the two to go for. We're just trying to increase the frequency of dominant traits, so starting with two plants with a target trait being expressed should increase the frequency in subsequent generations.

Something to consider when assessing the vigor of a plant: We tend to see a tall plant next to a shorter one and assume that the taller one is more vigorous. As you've said, the shorter plant tends to be beefier. So if we think of vigor more as a rate of mass gain instead of height differential, we may observe that both plants are equally vigorous.

 

[Frimpong]

Best part is there is no right or wrong , only what u wanna do . Why I love this so much.

 

[lambchopedd]

Hey Schwaggy,

So what are your thoughts on males that throw a couple pistils?

I found one and culled it; I typically do on the occasion they reveal themselves. However, I’m now second-guessing my opinion. We all know DJ Short claims they’re “the best” males - - fine. Tom Hill too. Menegene has been on the potcast/IG talking about his experimentation with such males. Not to mention, in Menegenes first potcast interview, he talked about an unnamed breeder that started a line with a “hermie male”, and the progeny was some of the most stable stock Gene claims to have seen. I’m curious to hear what you think of them.

Has anyone else here grown their “hermie males” all the way out? I wonder if they exhibit other female traits without the need to reverse.

 

[Frimpong]

Hey Schwaggy,

So what are your thoughts on males that throw a couple pistils?

I found one and culled it; I typically do on the occasion they reveal themselves. However, I’m now second-guessing my opinion. We all know DJ Short claims they’re “the best” males - - fine. Tom Hill too. Menegene has been on the potcast/IG talking about his experimentation with such males. Not to mention, in Menegenes first potcast interview, he talked about an unnamed breeder that started a line with a “hermie male”, and the progeny was some of the most stable stock Gene claims to have seen. I’m curious to hear what you think of them.

Has anyone else here grown their “hermie males” all the way out? I wonder if they exhibit other female traits without the need to reverse.

Some of the best will throw a few here and there I have heard . Never personally seen one but I would say anymore than a few I would toss . Jmo

 

[lambchopedd]

Not the greatest update but why not share.

My ‘80s Black Afghani x Skunky Brewsters are coming along. I’m loving how the females are putting on tacky/sticky leaf resin; these two in particular started early, but was too lazy to take pics until today. I haven’t even put my nose close enough to sniff yet, so no comment there.

The males on the otherhand haven’t done much to impress me yet. Well, maybe one. But it is still really early. All four generally get the same feed at the same frequency. I’ve let them get drier than their sisters, making note of how they react. Only one seemed unaffected and continues to sport the darkest green leaves (1st pic). It may be hard to tell but bottoms of the others are wilted (& hungry looking)…. But I’ll let them finish out their life cycle before I even think about pollen collection/revegging.

Note to self & everybody else:
Buy multiple packs if making f2s is your goal.

 

[Schwaggy P]

Only one seemed unaffected and continues to sport the darkest green leaves (1st pic)

This trait is from the Skunky Brewster. The SkunkyB father is ok with a wide range of acceptable feed so they seem happy with just about any food. The second male pic looks to lean more Black Afghani.

Note to self & everybody else:
Buy multiple packs if making f2s is your goal.

I'd be glad to send you some more to dig through along with some Black Afghani BX1 and Skunky Brewster BX1 to dig through if either of them were the draw for you to pop these.

 

[Ramblinrose]

Great thread! Love the detailed chem comparisons and little lessons dispersed throughout.

 

[Buck5050]

@Schwaggy P How did the NLHP hunt turn out?

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

Great thread! Love the detailed chem comparisons and little lessons dispersed throughout.

Schwaggy's nickname could easily be "the professor" he drops so much detailed info you almost have to take notes to keep up!

 

[lambchopedd]

HOLY SHIT

I’ve been dragging my feet on posting an update because I may have pushed the males a lil too hard/long to reveg…. And I took a couple earlier (frosty as hell) pics of the females, but was waiting to really do em justice.

Anyways… just came home to a surprise package and I’m fucking GEEKED! Thankyou sir @Schwaggy P

The Hunt will continue..

 

[lambchopedd]

Finally chopped my Black Afghan x SBs @ 55 days

They honestly looked ready at the start of week 7, but I have a hard time believing anything is REALLY ready that early.

Smells are hard to pinpoint. There are some subtle sour-berry notes, but I can’t put my finger on the main aroma I’m smelling. Plus it doesn’t mean much to me until dry/cure anyways. No intersex traits were discovered. Only final weight will confirm this - - but several look to be large yielders. And despite the dense big buds, no mold… I basically molested them looking for signs/spores in the thickest spots. For what it’s worth, the males didnt have any mold on them either.

The males are still trying to reveg. Two in particular look as if they have some new greenery, while my two original favorites look like death. I WAS gonna reveg three females that caught my eye in wk6…. Ended up not revegging one of those three (lackluster finish) while two of my non-picks stepped up! So (4) are being revegged at the moment, and we’ll what happens from here. Now that I have a second pack, I’ll keep however many around until I can safely house the new males.

Here’s some random pics. Any seeds you spot were due to a different line throwing some stamens.

 

[lambchopedd]

Hey @Schwaggy P is there gonna be a new drop anytime soon? Last drop was completely by surprise. Moving forward I would like to plan ahead when grabbing your gear.