Twenty20 Mendocino Ogreberry Chronicles

BigPretzel

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Ogreberry F4 (Amy’s choice) run#1 ​


update: these girls are on their 2nd week from sprout. Really impressed so far. I planted these into solos and up potted them at week one. I normally wait 2-3 weeks before uppotting them but these OBs had roots coming out of the solos and growing into the coco In the pot I had them sitting in. These have some serious vigor. 85742218-48AA-48CA-A6F0-62034EB29356.jpeg 676AE48C-1977-4B45-AF03-E52E621B02A0.jpeg
Here are my two survivors. They are in the same coco I just grew the Knows Candy in. I flushed the KCf2s for a good week plus so I didn’t even need to buffer it or rinse it. I just put it in a bucket gave it a little stir and back into grow bags.

They have gotten 3x feedings so far, the first was blue planet farmers pride week 1 plus calmag and the second was plain water with recharge the third was blueplanet micro and grow plus hydroguard and liquid seaweed plus calmag
So far they seem to be super happy.
 
BigPretzel

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So I checked my OB f4s today and both of them have a few little pistols or stigmas whatever you go by. But they are showing sex already…. In 15 days from sprout and 17 from soak. For me that’s a little crazy. The night owl I popped 2weeks before the ogreberry just started showing sex today. Maybe the Ogreberry felt left out.. ?‍♂️ but at day 15 Amy’s choice is showing sex
 
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BigPretzel said:
So I checked my OB f4s today and both of them have a few little pistols or stigmas whatever you go by. But they are showing sex already…. In 15 days from sprout and 17 from soak. For me that’s a little crazy. The night owl I popped 2weeks before the ogreberry just started showing sex today. Maybe the Ogreberry felt left out.. ?‍♂️ but at day 15 Amy’s choice is showing sex
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I wonder how it'll effect growth? I've seen it happen in runt autos, but also had an auto Malawi that grew for a long time after first signs of gender...

Those plants are looking fantastic btw!!!
 
BigPretzel

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UncleB said:
I wonder how it'll effect growth? I've seen it happen in runt autos, but also had an auto Malawi that grew for a long time after first signs of gender...

Those plants are looking fantastic btw!!!
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I was wondering the same thing because like you said it doesn’t always mean they become a runt I’ve had some show sex at 25 days and I the earliest I’ve ever had I think was a land lock funk by binary and that one showed sex on day 21. They aren’t showing any signs of stretching so I think I’m ok. The only think I could think of that would cause early flower would be the transplant stress but I rarely stress a plant when I transplant or uppot. So at this moment I’m just letting them go and see what happens. ?
 
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BigPretzel said:
I was wondering the same thing because like you said it doesn’t always mean they become a runt I’ve had some show sex at 25 days and I the earliest I’ve ever had I think was a land lock funk by binary and that one showed sex on day 21. They aren’t showing any signs of stretching so I think I’m ok. The only think I could think of that would cause early flower would be the transplant stress but I rarely stress a plant when I transplant or uppot. So at this moment I’m just letting them go and see what happens. ?
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Transplant method seems to have really worked, though!
My 100% outdoors is miles behind atm. Will get a pic and update on Sunday. You'll be really pleased....(with yourself) ???
 
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I promise I won't be updating frequently on minutiae, but the hull-locked Ogreberry seedling is now freed. Ultimately gave that helmet a gentle sideways finger squeeze yesterday evening, and a cotyledon popped. Set it out in dappled shade while at work today, and all is well.

Pic from this afternoon of both Ogreberry, as well as their homes for this grow - 7gal Living Soil bags w/ the side liners that @OldG recommend.

Plant tags are near the seedlings so you can see their placement. Intending the one in the center of the bag to go natural, and the offset plant will get some training and torture.


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Just a quickie update on the Amy's Winner (5B) pair. These are the 2nd start, and approx 2 weeks old now.

100% outside in full Arizona sun from day 1, and it has been HOT! (110°F)

Singed leaves on a few things in the garden, but Ogreberry hasn't flinched.

These guys definitely are smaller than what's being posted here on Phenohunter - the smaller one being the stuck helmet seedling, but are in line with the other Autos that were started around the same time - (Anesia Auto Lemongrass, and brokehoe's Gumball Slushee)

If they can make it through the past week during the tender stage, they can go all the way. Just hoping they start picking it up from here....


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thesunnyvalekid

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UncleB said:
Just a quickie update on the Amy's Winner (5B) pair. These are the 2nd start, and approx 2 weeks old now.

100% outside in full Arizona sun from day 1, and it has been HOT! (110°F)

Singed leaves on a few things in the garden, but Ogreberry hasn't flinched.

These guys definitely are smaller than what's being posted here on Phenohunter - the smaller one being the stuck helmet seedling, but are in line with the other Autos that were started around the same time - (Anesia Auto Lemongrass, and brokehoe's Gumball Slushee)

If they can make it through the past week during the tender stage, they can go all the way. Just hoping they start picking it up from here....


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They look fine, they just got to get their feet growing.
 
thesunnyvalekid

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BigPretzel said:
Ogreberry F4 (Amy’s choice) run#1 ​


update: these girls are on their 2nd week from sprout. Really impressed so far. I planted these into solos and up potted them at week one. I normally wait 2-3 weeks before uppotting them but these OBs had roots coming out of the solos and growing into the coco In the pot I had them sitting in. These have some serious vigor. View attachment 121814 View attachment 121815
Here are my two survivors. They are in the same coco I just grew the Knows Candy in. I flushed the KCf2s for a good week plus so I didn’t even need to buffer it or rinse it. I just put it in a bucket gave it a little stir and back into grow bags.

They have gotten 3x feedings so far, the first was blue planet farmers pride week 1 plus calmag and the second was plain water with recharge the third was blueplanet micro and grow plus hydroguard and liquid seaweed plus calmag
So far they seem to be super happy.
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You did great transplanting I never have good luck it always stunts them, they look happy.
 
thesunnyvalekid

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An update on my 4B “Aaron’s winner” Ogreberry F4.
Today they are 22 days old from sprout, growth rates are right on track, nice early branching structure so far, humidity was high this last week, they might have slowed down a bit.
Overall easy growing, no issues, next week on to full strength nutrients. It does appear one is small and runty, since they are testers I will keep it growing for research, I usually cull smaller plants from the garden. The P Punch next to it is half its age for reference of growth.
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A quick comment on early maturity, in my experience stress factors, environmental and nutrition can impact when autos or photos show sex, although I wouldn’t want it to show to early in my autos, I have not found it correlates to early flowering/maturity or small or stunted plants. I feel that “mini” effect is a genetic variation in autos that pops up now and then, out of 5 seeds one will have that stunted rudialis trait just about always. It’s the beautiful nature of autoflowers.
Another thing about using nutrients, I would consider keeping them on veg nutrients until the flowers are the size of a cotton ball or larger, I do not switch to flower nutrients too early I wait until they are well into flower, in my experience autos require more nitrogen during flower than photos, if I introduce flower nutrients early or change the levels of P and K they will show preflower, and grow on the smaller size, I would like preflower to happen late as possible due to the short life of the plant. Unfortunately we are never really in control of how the plant will grow, we can manipulate all we want, nature has its own rules.
This is my opinion that works for my particular style, I’m not a pro, many grow way better and know how, more than me. Just my experience so far.
 
BigPretzel

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thesunnyvalekid said:
An update on my 4B “Aaron’s winner” Ogreberry F4.
Today they are 22 days old from sprout, growth rates are right on track, nice early branching structure so far, humidity was high this last week, they might have slowed down a bit.
Overall easy growing, no issues, next week on to full strength nutrients. It does appear one is small and runty, since they are testers I will keep it growing for research, I usually cull smaller plants from the garden. The P Punch next to it is half its age for reference of growth.
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A quick comment on early maturity, in my experience stress factors, environmental and nutrition can impact when autos or photos show sex, although I wouldn’t want it to show to early in my autos, I have not found it correlates to early flowering/maturity or small or stunted plants. I feel that “mini” effect is a genetic variation in autos that pops up now and then, out of 5 seeds one will have that stunted rudialis trait just about always. It’s the beautiful nature of autoflowers.
Another thing about using nutrients, I would consider keeping them on veg nutrients until the flowers are the size of a cotton ball or larger, I do not switch to flower nutrients too early I wait until they are well into flower, in my experience autos require more nitrogen during flower than photos, if I introduce flower nutrients early or change the levels of P and K they will show preflower, and grow on the smaller size, I would like preflower to happen late as possible due to the short life of the plant. Unfortunately we are never really in control of how the plant will grow, we can manipulate all we want, nature has its own rules.
This is my opinion that works for my particular style, I’m not a pro, many grow way better and know how, more than me. Just my experience so far.
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That makes total sense about autos needing more nitrogen then photos. I’ve noticed that for sure. Also great points in that post.
 
BigPretzel

BigPretzel

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UncleB said:
Just a quickie update on the Amy's Winner (5B) pair. These are the 2nd start, and approx 2 weeks old now.

100% outside in full Arizona sun from day 1, and it has been HOT! (110°F)

Singed leaves on a few things in the garden, but Ogreberry hasn't flinched.

These guys definitely are smaller than what's being posted here on Phenohunter - the smaller one being the stuck helmet seedling, but are in line with the other Autos that were started around the same time - (Anesia Auto Lemongrass, and brokehoe's Gumball Slushee)

If they can make it through the past week during the tender stage, they can go all the way. Just hoping they start picking it up from here....


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They look good man! I’ve noticed with most autos that they don’t really take off until they get to their 5th node. At least that’s been my experience. It’s almost like they have to get their roots fully established before they stead growing vertically. I bet you will be very surprised by the end result
 
BigPretzel

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Trichitect said:
4B "Aaron's Winner" Day 27:
All 4 are showing there very first pistils at the sixth node. One is showing some interesting pink color at the center of the new growth (see bottom pic).
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Awesome man they look fantastic. I’m also glad to hear that I’m not the only one who had them show sex super early. Mine were at about the 5th I’d say when I noticed a little pistol. Now it’s just two large ones on each node but no flowering or stretching which is a good sign. I want these to get a little husky before they flower.
 
BigPretzel

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Both of my Amy’s winner ogres are doing great. No stretching still which is a good sign they might get pretty big. I got them in 1gals using coco mega brick mixed with perlite. And they have been getting fed the hood stuff lately. Switched them over to HOUSE AND GARDEN coco 2part + root excel gold. I have also started bending them over to get a nice bushy canopy. I don’t want to too these yet but I still might depending how they take to the LST. So far I do like the lateral growth. Seems to be keeping up with the vertical.
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