Vertical DIY LED recirculating hydro... thing

[MacGydro]

I think that's probably the better problem to have. At least you know what to expect lol

 

[coste]

woohoo! another hydro thread to follow one of these days, we'll flood all the people here with water, and get everyone to at least dip their toes in it a little.

 

[MacGydro]

woohoo! another hydro thread to follow one of these days, we'll flood all the people here with water, and get everyone to at least dip their toes in it a little.

Hell yeah man, hydro is the way to go, for me anyway.

My first 3 plants were soil, but as soon as veg was open, I tried hydro, and been there since, with the odd soil or coco here and there.

Tending a few soil gals outside this year just reinforces the preference. I had to feed the soil plants just as much as the hydro plants, if not more.

If I had to swap soil every run or few, I'd have a mountain around the house... Which might not be a horrible idea lol

Soil definitely has its place, if I had good land and weather, but it's place just isn't in my tents, inside.

So, no pics for now, but here's the lineup:

Swimming-

AK x Jungle Party or Spring Training
Bubba Kush bagseed x ^
Jungle Party: GG4 bagseed x Golden Tiger M
Spring Training : Florida OG cut x Golden Tiger R1 (low light stressed Herm)
^These will be run 11/13 from seed, just to fill the gap in bloom.
Idlewilder's Candy Mac
Bodhi's Heavenly Hashplant
Bodhi's Ortega Durian x Snow Lotus
Schwaggy's Skunky VA
Schwaggy's Skunky VA x Skunky D
Bad Dawg's Star Dragon x 1 of the possible following mislabeled father's:
((Bodhi Mango Hashplant
Bodhi Sky Lotus
Bad Dawg Chem D x Apollo 13
Bad Dawg Long Bottom Fighter))
MMS Star Pupil
MMS Valedictorian

In veg:
Skunky VA new pheno
Pillow Book, 2 phenos, Blackberry and garlicky
Pineapple Express, SubLBC pheno
Zkittlez/GG4 cross, bagseed
Some orangey bagseed, likely orange Cookies or Tropicana
GG4, SubLBC pheno, barely hanging on, in soil

In flower:
10+wk Bodhi Pillow Book
6+wk Bodhi Pillow Book
6+wk Bad Dawg Motor City Fighter
OD Bad Dawg Star Dragon
OD Bodhi Dread Bread
OD Schwaggy Skunky VA
OD Bodhi Sky Lotus

If the ODs don't finish, they'll come in to finish, but decent weather this week so far.

I'll try to get some exciting pics soon, but it's a little boring overall right now.

 

[MacGydro]

***Interlude***

Coming in hot!!... Well, ordered so far, anyway...



Virgin runs here almost all around...
Looking forward to some Red gear for the first time. Folks been missing some orangey stuff for a minute, and I gotta see what the GP is about.

Also a first for autos, for an early bounty, hopefully. Twenty 20 Mendo variety 9 pack. 3 of each: trix, durban sunset, and vida mints, I think. Should be interesting anyway.

Then there's the Bad Dawg grab bag...
No virgin here, so I'll expect some fire in them somewhere...

...Back to our irregularly scheduled program shortly...

 

[MacGydro]

Ok, folks, I'm in need of some help from you guys. I'm horrible at identifying the differences between toxicities and deficiencies! I've got all the charts, and I swear, they look the same to me.

I've been having this issue after about 6 weeks of flower on pretty much all my plants. I figured it was the dreaded Mg deficiency, so I added 1tsp/gal of Epsom for a while, also bumping up the Mega Crop from my usual 4g/gal to 5g/gal. It didn't seem to help.
I'm talking about the gold coloring around the edges of the leaves, in the following pics.
It generally progresses to killing off the fans and sugar leaves for the next couple weeks, to where I've been chopping everything down at least a week early, sometimes 2, just to avoid the leaves dying back into the bus, and causing rot. I'm really tired of things coming up just short of decent, so hopefully you guys have some tips!
Here's some later stage pics, around weeks 6 and 7 on some different strains...

Peanut butter breath, right before chop, week 8 or 9:



Giesel, about week 7:



GMO bag seed, around week 6...
Fuck it, just imagine it looks similar.
I'm so fucking tired of trying to upload pics to this goddamn site. I can't even properly express how goddamn frustrating it is to try and add pics to posts here. Took me at least 10 attempts just to upload 2 fucking pictures.
I type text, go to add a pic from my phone, and it just reverts back to my post, which adds no pic, but will remove all text I just typed... Great, mighty white of you, thanks!
So, I close the thread, reopen it, and my text comes back, but still no pics. I then have to repeat the process anywhere from 2 to 5 more times before a pic will load.
I know half the damn members here are staff or moderators, so if anyone could help, that'd be awesome.
Otherwise, I guess I'll just lurk this place, and not try to post. It's just not worth raising my blood pressure.
This is my favorite forum, but it just may not be worth posting anymore with all the fuckery.
Hope your morning is going better than mine...

@jaguarlax @HydroRed @JL2G @Deebs

 

[Deebs]

Test. A little mac1 for wake n bake

 

[Deebs]

I didn't see or experience any issues macgydro... You still experiencing them? No errors in logs from anything either

 

[MacGydro]

Yeah, man, every time, and it seems to be getting worse. Before it would usually take 2 attempts, but the last few days, it seems to take more like at least 5. It's super frustrating.

Meant to add I'm using an Android phone, and Firefox browser, and the phones default Google photo gallery. I'm sure it's not happening to many folks, or there'd be no new photos uploaded due to frustration lol
So I'm thinking it's probably something in my phone that doesn't like something on the site, or vice versa... But I haven't been in the tech field in like 20 years, and I wasn't a programmer even then.

I'm Just a regular dumb ass customer now, who probably just needs to "turn it off then back on" lol

 

[jaguarlax]

Ok, folks, I'm in need of some help from you guys. I'm horrible at identifying the differences between toxicities and deficiencies! I've got all the charts, and I swear, they look the same to me.

I've been having this issue after about 6 weeks of flower on pretty much all my plants. I figured it was the dreaded Mg deficiency, so I added 1tsp/gal of Epsom for a while, also bumping up the Mega Crop from my usual 4g/gal to 5g/gal. It didn't seem to help.
I'm talking about the gold coloring around the edges of the leaves, in the following pics.
It generally progresses to killing off the fans and sugar leaves for the next couple weeks, to where I've been chopping everything down at least a week early, sometimes 2, just to avoid the leaves dying back into the bus, and causing rot. I'm really tired of things coming up just short of decent, so hopefully you guys have some tips!
Here's some later stage pics, around weeks 6 and 7 on some different strains...

Peanut butter breath, right before chop, week 8 or 9:
View attachment 70149


Giesel, about week 7:

View attachment 70150

GMO bag seed, around week 6...
Fuck it, just imagine it looks similar.
I'm so fucking tired of trying to upload pics to this goddamn site. I can't even properly express how goddamn frustrating it is to try and add pics to posts here. Took me at least 10 attempts just to upload 2 fucking pictures.
I type text, go to add a pic from my phone, and it just reverts back to my post, which adds no pic, but will remove all text I just typed... Great, mighty white of you, thanks!
So, I close the thread, reopen it, and my text comes back, but still no pics. I then have to repeat the process anywhere from 2 to 5 more times before a pic will load.
I know half the damn members here are staff or moderators, so if anyone could help, that'd be awesome.
Otherwise, I guess I'll just lurk this place, and not try to post. It's just not worth raising my blood pressure.
This is my favorite forum, but it just may not be worth posting anymore with all the fuckery.
Hope your morning is going better than mine...

@jaguarlax @HydroRed @JL2G @Deebs

I like to upload and place my pictures first, then write the captions in between them. If you place the cursor at the point where you want to insert your picture, it shouldn’t delete your text. If your problems persist, I would suggest using a browser other than Firefox. It’s very possible that some of the features here are not supported on an older browser like that.

 

[MacGydro]

I'll definitely try changing the order of how I post, and hope that helps, thanks!

I was really hoping nobody suggested I change browsers... Then I'd have to find my passwords again ugh

 

[MacGydro]

So you guys are as perplexed as me regarding the leaf issues huh?

Guess I better start finding things that finish in 6-7 weeks. Tired of cutting down early lol

 

[DopeDaniel]

Or dump the megacrop. That is my honest suggestion, its not the product it once was, even the 1 part. Given the chinese supply chain issues, formulation changes and overall inconsistency your garden will thank you, mine did. IMO its a micronutrient issue with their formulation - like its not properly chelated.

 

[MacGydro]

I'm all ears, but I've still got a little of this bag left before I jump ship.

Do you think it's a deficiency or toxicity? And of what, why?

Should I drop the MC, and raise Epsom? Not sure if there's too much N, locking out other stuff, or what. They seem plenty green overall, until this shit starts. I've even got the antagonist chart, and don't think I understand it right.

All I know is, it seemed like things went smoother the first 2 versions/bags of MC we got, but there's been other factors at play, so it's been tough to nail down.

I went from 4g/gal of only MC, to up to 6g/gal with Epsom at 1tsp/gal, with no noticeable improvements, possibly detriment.
That's why I'm finally asking questions to folks who recognize different maladies, rather than chasing my tail.

I appreciate the time to address my questions, to anyone who does!

 

[DopeDaniel]

too much N, locking out other stuff,

Possibly. As far as defeciency or toxicity - I really think the right answer is - yes. It really needs broken down by nutrient, whats in the plant tissue and whats in the feed and media. Given the 6g/gal concentration imo eveeything should be there and at levels that shouldn't cause lockouts. Keep in mind I am basing tis off one pic and my personal experience with mc - it looks like mutiple issues to me and if its not pH then its micros.

rather than chasing my tail.

Several of us did this with MC for the better part of a year or more. Try some TM-7 from bioag while finishing out the mc.

 

[spyralout]

Many folks have jumped ship from MC lately. I also have some older 1 part from last year that I’m trying to use up outdoor. It may be a root issue where products like Recharge could fix up in a short amount of time. It didn’t work as well in hydro for me but in soil or coco blends it worked great. The only time I had bennies work for me in hydro was when I brewed my own.

 

[MacGydro]

I probably should've added that I'm in a valley as far as money availability right, now, so I can't afford to be buying more products, unfortunately.

Was hoping it was more of a "more or less fertilizer" type of diagnosis lol

Been working with MC since their free samples a few years ago, obviously for the convenient all-in-one claims. Might try jacks next, or dig deeper into organic, self concocted mixes. We'll see how this first batch of fermented plant juice works out, if it does.

 

[MacGydro]

Many folks have jumped ship from MC lately. I also have some older 1 part from last year that I’m trying to use up outdoor. It may be a root issue where products like Recharge could fix up in a short amount of time. It didn’t work as well in hydro for me but in soil or coco blends it worked great. The only time I had bennies work for me in hydro was when I brewed my own.

Yeah, when I first started using it, was recirculating hydro in hydroton, at 4g/gal for almost the whole time, and it worked pretty well over all.
I also tried it outdoors in soil, and they wanted even more, which was a little surprising. That's when I went up to 6g/gal. Also used orca along the way. Never honestly noticed the bright white, dense root masses others have boasted though, whether I'm hydro or soil.
Perpetually trying to dial things in, I guess lol

 

[Smokieokie]

@MacGydro are the plants giving you problems in hydro? It looks like a pH issue to me that's caused a lockout. If the pH gets too low sometimes the added sulfur from the Epsom salt can make the calcium fall out of suspension if I remember correctly.

 

[MacGydro]

Thanks for stopping by, @Smokieokie ... It could be a low pH issue, actually. I don't check pH too often, but the last time I did, the tap water was right around 7.
MC at 4g/gal usually dropped my pH a little over a point, so running it at 5g/gal likely dropped it lower than that even.
It might be down in the mid 5s range lately, now that I think about it.
I think I'll back the food back down and see what happens.
I haven't been adding any Epsom lately, just the MC at 5g/gal.
The plants are in dirt, in cloth pots, but they get splashed by a recirculating nutrient solution a few times a day.

 

[Smokieokie]

The plants are in dirt

Definitely raise the pH up a little then, maybe around 6.8 and see if it helps. May want to check the runoff or do a slurry test as well just to double check the pH. Just my 2 cents anyways?‍♂️?. Hope you get it figured out either way.