Who loves fishing ?

[thenotsoesoteric]

Yep I know have trophies on my wall of shark jaws and Barracuda jaws etc that were at the time the acceptable by most tradition of holding memories and sharing stories . That was 30-40 years ago . It messes with me a little at times knowing some would see it as probably not acceptable but it’s part of my life story and history so regardless I’ll never change that . I’ve never extinguished life unnecessarily and I never will , I was however part of industries that had bycatch from poor fishing methods . Thankfully nowadays it’s much better regulated and adaptions have been made to mitigate the risk .

I do like Native Americans and say thank you to any animal I kill in order to eat. No sacrifice without honor!

 

[Amarok]

Yep I know have trophies on my wall of shark jaws and Barracuda jaws etc that were at the time the acceptable by most tradition of holding memories and sharing stories . That was 30-40 years ago . It messes with me a little at times knowing some would see it as probably not acceptable but it’s part of my life story and history so regardless I’ll never change that . I’ve never extinguished life unnecessarily and I never will , I was however part of industries that had bycatch from poor fishing methods . Thankfully nowadays it’s much better regulated and adaptions have been made to mitigate the risk .

I know my uneducated behaviour when I was young did some damage. Times change, we learn and grow.

I also grew up having grandparents who lived through the Great Depression aka the Dirty Thirties. They had known true hunger on the western Canadian prairies. To them, the idea of catch-and-release was the stupidest thing imaginable: "Why the fuck would you throw good food back in the water?" It took a while to overcome that mindset.

Nowadays, my motto is " I can afford food, but I can't replace a destroyed fishery".

 

[Amarok]

I do like Native Americans and say thank you to any animal I kill in order to eat. No sacrifice without honor!

Exactly. Those of us who interact with nature know and love and cherish it in a way that city folk never will. Many of them can't get past what they see as a paradox: how can you say you love nature when you kill it? They don't understand the symbiotic structure of the food chain.

 

[Ramjet159]

Exactly. Those of us who interact with nature know and love and cherish it in a way that city folk never will. Many of them can't get past what they see as a paradox: how can you say you love nature when you kill it? They don't understand the symbiotic structure of the food chain.

This is the part I struggle with when vegetarians preach to us about sacrificing life in order to eat claiming meat is unnecessary to our diet . We have eye teeth for a reason . We are in essence Omnivores . Somehow they have this idea that because we have a higher consciousness we should be aware not to take life . I’ll leave my views at that while I’m still being respectful

 

[Amarok]

This is the part I struggle with when vegetarians preach to us about sacrificing life in order to eat claiming meat is unnecessary to our diet . We have eye teeth for a reason . We are in essence Omnivores . Somehow they have this idea that because we have a higher consciousness we should be aware not to take life . I’ll leave my views at that while I’m still being respectful

This is one of the subjects that bugs me too, but luckily it's a pretty easy viewpoint to defend with any open minded person. I haven't had the talk recently, but I would imagine the pandemic would make the case even easier to make.

I've come to refer to the whole area as "the Disney Fallacy": the tendency to judge all natural things by how cute and fuzzy they are, since so many people grew up having watched Bambi and never dealt with the flesh and blood versions of the critters in the movie.

"The wolf needs to feed her babies, too" usually gives the younger minds something to think about. Adults in this province can be pointed to news articles on Chronic Wasting Disease among native deer to illustrate the need to manage populations for the greater good. From there it's easy to transition to a more detailed discussion of the food chain and why the prey truly NEEDS the predator, if it is to survive, and that an intelligent predator such as man can improve the overall ecosystem through judicious harvesting.













If that doesn't work, I say, "what are yuh, some kinda pussy?!" ?

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

This is the part I struggle with when vegetarians preach to us about sacrificing life in order to eat claiming meat is unnecessary to our diet . We have eye teeth for a reason . We are in essence Omnivores . Somehow they have this idea that because we have a higher consciousness we should be aware not to take life . I’ll leave my views at that while I’m still being respectful

I wrote a paper in a college philosophy class about how eating meat is no different than eating a plant you have to kill in order to eat such as a carrot or potato. I said plants are aware of their existence and respond to being "hurt" ie that smell of cut grass is grass actually signaling to other grass that its being fucked up.

Professor snubbed at my assumption but literally a few years later scientists published a paper confirming that plant do in fact have an awareness and communicate with each other.

Only plants and microorganisms have the ability to produce energy. All other forms of life must consume other organisms energy ie life force in order to survive.

So miss me with that vegan stuff! Lol

 

[Amarok]

I wrote a paper in a college philosophy class about how eating meat is no different than eating a plant you have to kill in order to eat such as a carrot or potato. I said plants are aware of their existence and respond to being "hurt" ie that smell of cut grass is grass actually signaling to other grass that its being fucked up.

Professor snubbed at my assumption but literally a few years later scientists published a paper confirming that plant do in fact have an awareness and communicate with each other.

Only plants and microorganisms have the ability to produce energy. All other forms of life must consume other organisms energy ie life force in order to survive.

So miss me with that vegan stuff! Lol

I remember someone talking about the "right to life" of some organism. My response was the only true "right", the only immutable law, is that everything becomes food.

Another pet peeve I have with the "animal lib" types is the arrogance that we as humans somehow are no longer animals, that we have transcended the food chain. The scientists in the Bloodhound Gang stated clearly: baby you and me ain't nothin' but mammals.
And as pointed out a few posts ago we evolved to be omnivores, as proved by our dentition.

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

I remember someone talking about the "right to life" of some organism. My response was the only true "right", the only immutable law, is that everything becomes food.

Another pet peeve I have with the "animal lib" types is the arrogance that we as humans somehow are no longer animals, that we have transcended the food chain. The scientists in the Bloodhound Gang stated clearly: baby you and me ain't nothin' but mammals.
And as pointed out a few posts ago we evolved to be omnivores, as proved by our dentition.

Humans only became as intelligent as we are because we started eating meat. That ability to consume so many calories so quickly allowed us more "free" time which lead to us developing larger brains.

 

[Ramjet159]

This is one of the subjects that bugs me too, but luckily it's a pretty easy viewpoint to defend with any open minded person. I haven't had the talk recently, but I would imagine the pandemic would make the case even easier to make.

I've come to refer to the whole area as "the Disney Fallacy": the tendency to judge all natural things by how cute and fuzzy they are, since so many people grew up having watched Bambi and never dealt with the flesh and blood versions of the critters in the movie.

"The wolf needs to feed her babies, too" usually gives the younger minds something to think about. Adults in this province can be pointed to news articles on Chronic Wasting Disease among native deer to illustrate the need to manage populations for the greater good. From there it's easy to transition to a more detailed discussion of the food chain and why the prey truly NEEDS the predator, if it is to survive, and that an intelligent predator such as man can improve the overall ecosystem through judicious harvesting.













If that doesn't work, I say, "what are yuh, some kinda pussy?!" ?

 

[Orion]

Tarpon...Boca Grande...what a great night, 7 fish to 140 ish...

 

[Gentlemancorpse]

Tarpon...Boca Grande...what a great night, 7 fish to 140 ish...

I've always wanted to go Tarpon fishing! It's one of my life goals. When I was in the keys last year just watching them swim around the boats was awesome

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

Man you guys can have the ocean! Lol hell if I can't swim into shore I'm not a happy camper ?

Well I'm not that bad but homeboy does not like big water. The great lakes or oceans scare me.

 

[BigPretzel]

I love fishing I have been doing it habitually since I was a kid. My dad taught me so I am teaching my boys. I take them with me wading. They wear a life vest snd hang into my leg or my kneel and float as we fish then when I hook on they reel it in. My oldest who is 5 caught an 18in rock bass which is pretty damn huge for a rocky. He also caught a 30” channel cat night fishing with chicken livers.

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

I love fishing I have been doing it habitually since I was a kid. My dad taught me so I am teaching my boys. I take them with me wading. They wear a life vest snd hang into my leg or my kneel and float as we fish then when I hook on they reel it in. My oldest who is 5 caught an 18in rock bass which is pretty damn huge for a rocky. He also caught a 30” channel cat night fishing with chicken livers.

Catfishing is where its at though. Take out a few beers and some bud. Throw out some stink bait or livers and just sit back and cool it raw.

 

[Ramjet159]

Man you guys can have the ocean! Lol hell if I can't swim into shore I'm not a happy camper ?

Well I'm not that bad but homeboy does not like big water. The great lakes or oceans scare me.

That’s a shame your not at ease in open water . I truly get a sense of freedom with looking around and seeing nothing but blue water and sea life . You feel so vulnerable yet so free .

 

[Amarok]

That’s a shame your not at ease in open water . I truly get a sense of freedom with looking around and seeing nothing but blue water and sea life . You feel so vulnerable yet so free .

I've spent very little time on the ocean and I enjoyed it very much, but I can relate to the idea of being uneasy if I was too far out for too long. It's just a matter of familiarity, I suspect. For example I love and am at home in the thick bush around here, yet tropical jungles intimidate me.

I think part of the ocean nervousness is the idea that you are not really in charge. You are at the mercy of your craft and the weather. If I run into difficulty on land, there are lots of things I can do. If I run into trouble on the ocean, I can sink and then drown or get eaten.
I'm sure you are shaking your head at that last, as your decades of accumulated experience have given you lots of skills and knowledge to deal with any trouble you face as well as utmost confidence in your boat/ship. Without those skills and knowledge, I would just feel like shark bait floating on a cracker.

 

[Ramjet159]

I've spent very little time on the ocean and I enjoyed it very much, but I can relate to the idea of being uneasy if I was too far out for too long. It's just a matter of familiarity, I suspect. For example I love and am at home in the thick bush around here, yet tropical jungles intimidate me.

I think part of the ocean nervousness is the idea that you are not really in charge. You are at the mercy of your craft and the weather. If I run into difficulty on land, there are lots of things I can do. If I run into trouble on the ocean, I can sink and then drown or get eaten.
I'm sure you are shaking your head at that last, as your decades of accumulated experience have given you lots of skills and knowledge to deal with any trouble you face as well as utmost confidence in your boat/ship. Without those skills and knowledge, I would just feel like shark bait floating on a cracker.

I agree . You are never really in charge . All you can do is prepare for the worst case scenario and always plan ahead according to the conditions . All that experience gives you peace of mind but never guarantees anything. A few years ago a good friend of mine who grew up on the water the same time as me and had 35 plus years on the Ocean fell overboard while trawling at night and drowned within minutes . If you’d asked me who the most likely to not lose their life at sea I would’ve backed him in . I was stunned for quite some time that somehow this happened .

 

[Amarok]

All you can do is prepare for the worst case scenario and always plan ahead according to the conditions .

So sorry about your friend. It can happen in an instant, and even the best of us sometimes get an awful break.

As far as preparing and planning, you couldn't be more right. Due to a lot of reasons, the majority of time I spend in the outdoors is spent alone. I'm aware that I could lose cel service due to terrain, or have the phone itself become unusable, and rarely do I leave word of my plans.
I don't want to ever have to call for rescue, and even if I do, there's no guarantee my call will be heard.

Therefore, I never want to get into trouble. I don't leap before I look, I don't take unnecessary chances.
I always have a minimum of gear with me, and it increases the farther I'm going off the beaten track.

I had a good lesson some years back at a sturgeon hole about an hour's drive from town. The spot is at the bottom of a very steep and difficult hill. One night I had a bad gout attack come on in my foot, and I was barely able to struggle up the hill in the morning. My other leg was beat to shit and useless for days due to having to do the work of both on that nasty hill. If it was 100 feet higher I might not have made it.
Every time I've gone back there alone since then, I take a full set of camping gear: tent, sleeping bag and the lot. If I'm stuck down there for a day or two now it's just an unplanned camping trip. Carrying an extra 40 or 50 pounds isn't the most fun thing, but like any insurance, if I need it I'll be very happy I had it.

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

That’s a shame your not at ease in open water . I truly get a sense of freedom with looking around and seeing nothing but blue water and sea life . You feel so vulnerable yet so free .

Its the same in planes man. Just out of my human element and the old anxiety let's me know, lol. The thought of being miles out and shit goes wrong sends chills down the spine. But im grateful that not all humans share my fears. God bless sailors and pilots!

 

[Caddis]

I agree . You are never really in charge . All you can do is prepare for the worst case scenario and always plan ahead according to the conditions . All that experience gives you peace of mind but never guarantees anything. A few years ago a good friend of mine who grew up on the water the same time as me and had 35 plus years on the Ocean fell overboard while trawling at night and drowned within minutes . If you’d asked me who the most likely to not lose their life at sea I would’ve backed him in . I was stunned for quite some time that somehow this happened .

Died with his boots on, that’s all I want.
Beats the fuck out of dying in bed, better story too!