WillieP's World

WillieP

In Bloom
So with another 24 hours of maturity there is no longer any doubt.
3 out of 4 boys...
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A before shot...
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And the after shot...
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She sure looks lonely in there.
I will drop seeds tomorrow night after I have had a little time to think over what direction I want to move in.
(And when I'm a bit less butthurt!)

Cheers,
WillieP
 

WillieP

In Bloom
Hey All,
It's been a bit since I last updated.
All is well in WillieP's World...
The one female plant that I have left at my grow space is a Grape Ape, and is coming along nicely.
(being grown in Hempy bucket) My first go at that.
Starting to stack up, tomorrow will be 3 weeks since flip to 12/12.
I will get some pictures up this weekend.
The two plants that I have in flower for my college course are both the M-99. @MO_Grow
They are are being grown in soil and were flipped the same day as my home grow.
They both have very similar structure and I think they will do well.

I was pretty butthurt when I had to chop down 3 out of 4 of my full size plants, but I have had a little time to adjust, and look for the silver lining.
I have both a Veg and Flower space, and my intent has always been to have a perpetual grow style. (just hasn't happen yet)
I chose not to drop a bunch of seeds as a reaction to being pissed.
Instead I backed off and thought about the direction I wanted to move in.
I would like to have a plant mature out once every 4 weeks or so. If I start a new plant once a month, it should get me on track to accomplish this.
The next plant I have coming up will be a clone from a friend's Super Silver Haze that I started approximately 3 weeks ago. That should help fill in the gap.
There will be a learning curve to get the timing right, but that's OK.

The other thing I have learned out of this is the flipping of smaller plants to force them to show sex.
We had plants from regular seeds started at the college that were around 4 weeks old.
We flipped them and 3 out of 4 were male. We took the one female and put her back in Veg.

Happy growing y'all!
Cheers,
WillieP
 

WillieP

In Bloom
I just wanted to remember to drop these pics cause I said I would...

This is the Grape Ape at my home grow...
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And this is the M-99 at the college...
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Sorry for the low quality pic, it's hard to get a good pic there. They are under HPS and blurple LEDs.

Cheers,
WillieP
 

WillieP

In Bloom
Hi Gang,
Seeking some wisdom...
I have one plant, 5 weeks into flower tomorrow.
It is a Grape Ape, the seeds were gifted to me, I have never ran them before, and I do not know the breeder.
And I have 'Nanners'.

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This is a shot of the buds starting to stack up.

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This is the whole plant.

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This is my first attempt at growing in a Hempy.
I am using Jacks 321 in RO with Cal/Mag and Silica Blast.

I do not feel I have enough experience to evaluate this situation correctly.
So I will throw this out to y'all and see what your input is.

This was not two or three nanners, I just picked off 50+.
Is this what one would classify as a 'Hermie'?
I have grown regular seeds that have produced male plants, so I know what a traditional male looks like.
(this ain't it)
Is there a way to know if this is a genetic trait of these seeds or if this is something the grower (me) has done wrong to stress the plant?
To my knowledge, my growing environment is not an issue. Temp, Humidity, light schedule, PH, PPM all seem to be in check. This is the same grow environment that I have been in for a year. The Hempy method is the one variable that I know of that is different. But again, to my knowledge I am doing that correctly.

I am very open to input, and would be more than willing to answer any questions to be able to get to the bottom of this.

My method of using cannabis is edibles. Seeds in my weed is not the end of the world for me. Seedy weed or bag appeal neither one really come into play, but for the sake of knowledge I would really like to understand what is happening and if I am the cause.

I completely understand that even with the experience here on PH, that to be able to find a solution to the issue is a long shot. Way to many variables.
But if any of you have words of advice, I am more that willing to listen.
Thanks in advance,
WillieP
 

Frimpong

🔥Freak Genetics🔥
Hi Gang,
Seeking some wisdom...
I have one plant, 5 weeks into flower tomorrow.
It is a Grape Ape, the seeds were gifted to me, I have never ran them before, and I do not know the breeder.
And I have 'Nanners'.

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This is a shot of the buds starting to stack up.

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This is the whole plant.

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This is my first attempt at growing in a Hempy.
I am using Jacks 321 in RO with Cal/Mag and Silica Blast.

I do not feel I have enough experience to evaluate this situation correctly.
So I will throw this out to y'all and see what your input is.

This was not two or three nanners, I just picked off 50+.
Is this what one would classify as a 'Hermie'?
I have grown regular seeds that have produced male plants, so I know what a traditional male looks like.
(this ain't it)
Is there a way to know if this is a genetic trait of these seeds or if this is something the grower (me) has done wrong to stress the plant?
To my knowledge, my growing environment is not an issue. Temp, Humidity, light schedule, PH, PPM all seem to be in check. This is the same grow environment that I have been in for a year. The Hempy method is the one variable that I know of that is different. But again, to my knowledge I am doing that correctly.

I am very open to input, and would be more than willing to answer any questions to be able to get to the bottom of this.

My method of using cannabis is edibles. Seeds in my weed is not the end of the world for me. Seedy weed or bag appeal neither one really come into play, but for the sake of knowledge I would really like to understand what is happening and if I am the cause.

I completely understand that even with the experience here on PH, that to be able to find a solution to the issue is a long shot. Way to many variables.
But if any of you have words of advice, I am more that willing to listen.
Thanks in advance,
WillieP
Just super sensitive, Is there live pollen in those if you rub them? Wouldn't technically call it a herm . Also did you happen to forget to water her for too long? Sometimes they will panic. Jmho
 

Gentlemancorpse

Cannabis Chaotician
Staff member
Moderator
As @Frimpong said some growers would only call a plant that throws male pollen sacs a herm, but some are a little looser in using the terms. That's part of why I tend to say "intersex traits".... covers a little more ground...

But anyways, to your actual question, there's really no way to know if the intersex traits your seeing are genetic or environmentally caused with 100% certainty, but over 50 is A LOT and I'd lean towards genetics myself, especially considering you monitor your environment pretty closely. Plus if I recall correctly, while it's some pretty nice smoke, the Barney's Farm version of Grape Ape was known as a finicky plant that was prone to nanners.

If it's your only plant at the moment I'd let it ride but if you have others going I'd chop her down... but I'm not in a very forgiving mood when it comes to nanners since I'm going to be picking seeds out of my smoke for months lol. I know you solely make edibles, but heavily seeded plants tend to lose potency in my experience
 

MO_Grow

Underground Chucker
Damn Willie...That sucks brother...

A handful, maybe (at most) of nanners on a single plant, but plucked and never to return, that's an ok/not so bad sign... There's still hope!

Perhaps the feed schedule..idk, But 50+ on anything, single or as a group, not so good IMHO. We all, as growers will experience them from now n then, but that honestly seems very excessive and not worth the hassle of keeping around. Just my 2 pennies... Especially if you aren't fully prepared to fight the good fight...

P.s. I'm going through some intersex bs currently on a couple cultivars I'm currently running (my own fault)... (And, for whatever it's worth, and I'm far from perfect.,. but I feel I've grown enough plants up to this point to determine what is worthwhile and what is not...) Excessive intersex traits, such as I'm perceiving, are a no go imo? I will smoke more and talk more later... Later ?
 

WillieP

In Bloom
Just super sensitive, Is there live pollen in those if you rub them? Wouldn't technically call it a herm . Also did you happen to forget to water her for too long? Sometimes they will panic. Jmho
Frim
The vast majority of the nanners I plucked were very immature. I would guess 10% of them were mature enough to have pollen in them.
On the watering question, I don’t believe so. With the hempy I have been watering every other day to runoff.
Thanks for taking an interest!
WillieP
 

Frimpong

🔥Freak Genetics🔥
Frim
The vast majority of the nanners I plucked were very immature. I would guess 10% of them were mature enough to have pollen in them.
On the watering question, I don’t believe so. With the hempy I have been watering every other day to runoff.
Thanks for taking an interest!
WillieP
Yeah man that's a tuffy. Shit could easily be sterile or not producing any pollen but ya never know. If they throw late enough I'll keep them around but that's it. Give em a light mist every night. Jmo
 

WillieP

In Bloom
As @Frimpong said some growers would only call a plant that throws male pollen sacs a herm, but some are a little looser in using the terms. That's part of why I tend to say "intersex traits".... covers a little more ground...

But anyways, to your actual question, there's really no way to know if the intersex traits your seeing are genetic or environmentally caused with 100% certainty, but over 50 is A LOT and I'd lean towards genetics myself, especially considering you monitor your environment pretty closely. Plus if I recall correctly, while it's some pretty nice smoke, the Barney's Farm version of Grape Ape was known as a finicky plant that was prone to nanners.

If it's your only plant at the moment I'd let it ride but if you have others going I'd chop her down... but I'm not in a very forgiving mood when it comes to nanners since I'm going to be picking seeds out of my smoke for months lol. I know you solely make edibles, but heavily seeded plants tend to lose potency in my experience
GC
Thanks for walking me through your take on it.
I just have the one plant in flower, my three others were male.
So I will finish this out as is. Not the end of the world!
Cheers,
WillieP
 

WillieP

In Bloom
Damn Willie...That sucks brother...

A handful, maybe (at most) of nanners on a single plant, but plucked and never to return, that's an ok/not so bad sign... There's still hope!

Perhaps the feed schedule..idk, But 50+ on anything, single or as a group, not so good IMHO. We all, as growers will experience them from now n then, but that honestly seems very excessive and not worth the hassle of keeping around. Just my 2 pennies... Especially if you aren't fully prepared to fight the good fight...

P.s. I'm going through some intersex bs currently on a couple cultivars I'm currently running (my own fault)... (And, for whatever it's worth, and I'm far from perfect.,. but I feel I've grown enough plants up to this point to determine what is worthwhile and what is not...) Excessive intersex traits, such as I'm perceiving, are a no go imo? I will smoke more and talk more later... Later ?
MO,
Damn Willie...That sucks brother...

A handful, maybe (at most) of nanners on a single plant, but plucked and never to return, that's an ok/not so bad sign... There's still hope!

Perhaps the feed schedule..idk, But 50+ on anything, single or as a group, not so good IMHO. We all, as growers will experience them from now n then, but that honestly seems very excessive and not worth the hassle of keeping around. Just my 2 pennies... Especially if you aren't fully prepared to fight the good fight...

P.s. I'm going through some intersex bs currently on a couple cultivars I'm currently running (my own fault)... (And, for whatever it's worth, and I'm far from perfect.,. but I feel I've grown enough plants up to this point to determine what is worthwhile and what is not...) Excessive intersex traits, such as I'm perceiving, are a no go imo? I will smoke more and talk more later... Later ?
Hey MO,
It does suck, but like I said, not the end of the world. That weed will still make caramels and tootsie rolls! ?
The feed schedule is water/feed every other day till runoff. Using Jacks 321 @ around 700-850 PPM depending on what stage they were in.
My next run will be in dirt with clones from a mother that I personally took. Hope it turns this streak around.
Thanks for your words,
WillieP
 

WillieP

In Bloom
Hey Gang,
Just got back from 2 weeks of Vacation in Oregon and N. Cal.
My daughter tended the plants while I was away, and all three survived! (bonus)
I harvested the Grape Ape. I thought the trichomes were going to be overly amber, but was pleasantly surprised that they looked about right.
No Seeds (double bonus), solid nugs, cool colors. We will have to wait on a weight till it are dried out.

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The other two plants that I have going are still in Veg, they are a Super Silver Haze on the left, and a AK-47 on the right. I had just defoliated and LST's them when the pic was taken, they were a little unruly when I got home

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WillieP

In Bloom
M-99 Update (@MO_Grow)
The two plants that I had growing at my college were harvested on June 14th while I was away on a vacation.
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They were allowed to hang whole for another week.
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I then brought them home and finished processing them. I trimmed away the dried fan leaves and then ran the buds through a bowl trimmer.
This left me with a fair amount of trim that was high in trichome content. I then ran that through a screen and was rewarded with a pile of kief.
I was able to hand rub the kief into hash. 3.25 grams of what I think would be full melt hash.
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I fear that I am far to much of a light weight to be smoking such a thing.
I only do edibles, and those only in low doses (4-8 mg is my preference).
I do not think that it would be wise for me to be smoking this, but I will say that the process of making and the history behind hash I find fascinating.
Guessing that one of my friends will get to enjoy this in exchange for a full smoke report and a description of the experience.

Thanks again for the dishing out the seeds to a guy you barely know @MO_Grow!

Cheers,
WillieP
 

MO_Grow

Underground Chucker
M-99 Update (@MO_Grow)
The two plants that I had growing at my college were harvested on June 14th while I was away on a vacation.
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They were allowed to hang whole for another week.
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I then brought them home and finished processing them. I trimmed away the dried fan leaves and then ran the buds through a bowl trimmer.
This left me with a fair amount of trim that was high in trichome content. I then ran that through a screen and was rewarded with a pile of kief.
I was able to hand rub the kief into hash. 3.25 grams of what I think would be full melt hash.
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I fear that I am far to much of a light weight to be smoking such a thing.
I only do edibles, and those only in low doses (4-8 mg is my preference).
I do not think that it would be wise for me to be smoking this, but I will say that the process of making and the history behind hash I find fascinating.
Guessing that one of my friends will get to enjoy this in exchange for a full smoke report and a description of the experience.

Thanks again for the dishing out the seeds to a guy you barely know @MO_Grow!

Cheers,
WillieP
Hell ya! You betcha man, just trying to pay it forward whenever and whereever I can?
 

WillieP

In Bloom
So I have a question for the more experienced growers...
I have two plants in Veg that are from clones, these are the first to plant that I have grown that are not from seed.
(1 Super Silver Haze, 1 AK-47)
They both appear to be very heavily loaded with pre-flowers. There seems to me to be more pre-flower than I have had before, there are pistils showing on every branch and at each node.
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So is this because these are from clone and they started out as a sexually mature plant, or am I just grasping at straws?
They are in the same tent, same lights, constant 18/6...but they are being grown in soil as opposed to hydro which is the norm for me.
I have no clue if that would make any difference.
All input welcome, and so on and so forth.
They just look like they will explode into flower once I flip them.
Thanks in advance,
WillieP

PS
I should have taken a picture of the plants as a whole, sorry.
They are approx 2.5 feet tall and 2.5 feet in diameter.
I don't know an age on them exactly.
 
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