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Bevers

In Bloom
I’m close to your age and you being from NYC, you should check out JJ/Top Dawg’s gear. You can find it other places as well, but he’s got those 90s-early 2000s NYC genetics. Back when it was crazy expensive and you had to page someone from a pay phone to meet them in a park. Ha. Best of luck with it!
 

Sugar Pops420

Poppin’ Beans
Welcome @Haroldviii,
Here is where You’ll find the answers and then some!
You’ll gain insight and come up with your own style in time..
It will take some a bit to read what interests you as the site is huge ( at least to me it is anyway) and very informative in many aspects, not only Canna related, but you’ll see for yourself I’m sure!. Enjoy!?
 

Haroldviii

In Bloom
@Bevers mannnnn don’t do me like that bro! I remember smoking in the park n getting locked up cuz I wouldn’t throw the roach away?????years later first time I saw a seed in bud I lost my mind ????. I definitely looking his strains up thank you bro! The one question I have with all the haze strains he offers. What would compare to that ol skool from the heights?
 

Bevers

In Bloom
@Bevers mannnnn don’t do me like that bro! I remember smoking in the park n getting locked up cuz I wouldn’t throw the roach away?????years later first time I saw a seed in bud I lost my mind ????. I definitely looking his strains up thank you bro! The one question I have with all the haze strains he offers. What would compare to that ol skool from the heights?
His NYC Haze would be it. You talking about the haze/Piff/Church/etc that left the room smelling like a church after you smoked?
 

Hitch

Perpetual Amateur
Welcome to gang!

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Bevers

In Bloom
@Bevers my cousin had once mentioned Cuban black haze to me but I’m definitely going to look into nyc haze that brings back memories of walking around the park n smelling the fresh sweet haze burning. You know anything about cbh?
Yeah, there’s some in that NYC Haze. All of that stuff is kind of hard to pin down with all of the stories and whatnot, but Cuban Black Haze, Piff, Uptown, Church, and so on will have that pheno in there somewhere. They’re going to be tougher to grow than Obama Kush, Kush Mints, and stuff though. You really need to have your environment on point. Also, you’ll probably need to hunt at least a few packs to find that one. Piff Coast Farms messes with these genetics as well, but I’ve never grown his stuff out myself.
 

MacGydro

Gum Wrapper Grows
Welcome to the hunt, @Haroldviii !

When you say you lose your flavor after harvest, How does it end up smelling and tasting?
What's your harvest process? Whole plant cut and hung, and dry trimmed? Branches at a time, wet trim to drying rack?
There's different details to consider, depending on your particular way of doing things.

There's also usually a short window of time during the initial curing stage where it might just smell green or grassy, and you might wonder WTF.
That is usually just a short time though, and as it cures, you should get good smells back.

Buuut... You can fuck up the end product either letting it get too dry, or staying too moist for too long.

Like some have said here earlier, there are temperature and humidity goals you can shoot for.
A popular sweet spot seems to be 60*f and 60% rh.
The cooler temperature would help slow the drying process, and conserve terpenes that would start gassing off the higher temps go.
Below 55%rh (buds in jar) the decarboxylation, or curing, process is supposed to slow or stop because it's too dry.
Above 65%rh, you're a lot more likely to get mold and bacteria thriving in the humidity.
So, people shoot for about 60% to be safe.

If you can dry your harvest in a climate controlled area, with hygrometers, the whole drying and curing process should be more of a science you can read, and adjust accordingly.

If you don't have thermometers and hygrometers small enough to fit in your curing containers, the drying / curing process will be more of an Art.

Being in Colorado, I'm going to assume your problems are from drying out a little too fast or long.
You likely won't need the week or two generally recommended for drying times around the web.
As fall weather moves in, the humidity drops outside, as well as inside, as the furnace starts running again.
Even hanging a full plant inside, you'd likely be ready to break the buds down into jars within 2-4 days, depending on heat and humidity in the house.

If you leave your harvest too moist for too long, your buds will likely smell like ammonia, or piss, and turn dark green to brown. This will not go away, and can happen in less than a day. Congrats- Now you can tell people you have Cat Piss, and they'll believe you! ?

It happened to me last year when I had a grocery bag full, trying to control dry it inside the house.
I figured it would be airy enough to wick the moisture out evenly, but within 12hrs, there was already anaerobic bacteria munching away, farting out ammonia, or whatever combination of chemical reactions happens to fuck your harvest.

You also might run into this when you first break the buds down into jars, if you don't air them out properly, or on time.
Jar sized hygrometers come in real handy, but jars need opened regularly, at the very least.
I personally prefer to empty the jars into paper bags at least once or twice the first day or two, to ensure there's fresh air around all buds, and they're not stuck together.
Mold loves those nooks and crannies!

If you have all the meters and jars, follow the numbers above, with at least 1 burp/shake/emptying jar per day.

Without meters, just going by feel, this is what I would personally do:

-Remove all leaves with visible stems / without useable resin.
-Cut plant whole, or in branches. (Whole will dry slower)
-Trim sugar leaves, or not. (Untrimmed will dry slower)
-Hang until trimmed buds or untrimmed sugar leaves are dry to the touch. Waiting until stem snap like widely recommended can be slightly too long for some buds, depending on bud density.
Buds should be dry feeling on the outside, but still spongy and moist just below the surface.
-Cut / trim buds down to go in jars, and cap them up.
After a few hours, there will likely be visible condensation, and the buds will be stuck together and all humid again on the outside.
-Gently shake, roll, jiggle the jar to start loosening the buds.
-Open and empty jars into a single layer on something wide and flat. Window screen or a drying rack will dry more evenly.
-Put buds back in jars when the buds again feel dry on the outside.
-Repeat this process with shorter airing out time in between jar time. The more dry it is, the quicker it will dry if you leave it out.

Basically, the first day or two, you'll want more time out of the jars, and the next day or two, they'll be more in the jars.
Feel moist? Air em out. Feel dry? Back in the jar.
After a few days of this in-n-out, you'll notice that they don't come out moist anymore.
They should be dry to the touch, but at least slightly spongy on a squeeze.
You shouldn't have to worry about mold forming, and jar time from here should just be curing and storage.

This is just personal opinion based on readings and experiences I've had.
Everyone's got their own way things work best for them, because all of our environments are unique to us.

Good to have you with us- Best of luck with harvest!
 

Bevers

In Bloom
Good on you for giving him such a detailed response on drying. That’s awesome! Colorado is dry, so low Rh will be your problem. Get a humidifier you can hook up to an environmental controller. Cut them whole, hang them in the dark, keep room 60/60, have a little fan on the floor facing the wall to move air around slightly, leave them in the dark for 17ish days, and then smoke them up. I’m of the belief if you finish your plants correctly there’s no cure. My opinion is that the buds are best the second they’re done drying and only degrade from there depending on how it’s stored. But, that’s probably just dumb old thinking.
 

Haroldviii

In Bloom
@MacGydro i don’t have that equipment except a drying rack. I’ll be ordering this equipment Friday because it sounds like I desperately need it. Sounds like I’m going to hang them in my tent with the vents closed in the room I guess since we keep the furnace around 70 usually. I have a humidifier I use for myself when it gets to dry here in the house I guess I’ll let it run outside the tent. While I’m at work and check them when I get back. I’m going to be using this as my bible for harvesting. Thank you for taking the time to help me out brother! I honestly didn’t expect to get that type of response I’m for ever grateful! Previous issues I have hanging them in the garage n didn’t control the temperature at all which would leave the buds toasty dry. Any advice and suggestions I’m always open to I’ll keep updating the pictures to see what you think.
 

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Haroldviii

In Bloom
Yeah, there’s some in that NYC Haze. All of that stuff is kind of hard to pin down with all of the stories and whatnot, but Cuban Black Haze, Piff, Uptown, Church, and so on will have that pheno in there somewhere. They’re going to be tougher to grow than Obama Kush, Kush Mints, and stuff though. You really need to have your environment on point. Also, you’ll probably need to hunt at least a few packs to find that one. Piff Coast Farms messes with these genetics as well, but I’ve never grown his stuff out myself.
@Bevers what is the most trustworthy site for you to get there gear from ? Top dawg and piff coast?
 

MacGydro

Gum Wrapper Grows
@MacGydro i don’t have that equipment except a drying rack. I’ll be ordering this equipment Friday because it sounds like I desperately need it. Sounds like I’m going to hang them in my tent with the vents closed in the room I guess since we keep the furnace around 70 usually. I have a humidifier I use for myself when it gets to dry here in the house I guess I’ll let it run outside the tent. While I’m at work and check them when I get back. I’m going to be using this as my bible for harvesting. Thank you for taking the time to help me out brother! I honestly didn’t expect to get that type of response I’m for ever grateful! Previous issues I have hanging them in the garage n didn’t control the temperature at all which would leave the buds toasty dry. Any advice and suggestions I’m always open to I’ll keep updating the pictures to see what you think.

You don't necessarily need the thermo/hygrometers, but it definitely makes life easier.
You can get 5 or 6 combo meters small enough to fit in mason jars for about $20 on Amazon...Then another $20 or so for the watch batteries to power them, if they don't come with.
Wherever you dry them, just try to put them in jars when the outside feels dry, and air them out again once the outsides are moist again.
They'll need the most attention / air time the first day or two. After that, you shouldn't have to worry about mold, just letting them get too dry. You'll find your groove- We're just trying to help you find it sooner than later.
At least you've gotten it too dry, rather than too wet.
You can still smoke dry stuff, but you don't wanna smoke bud mold!
 

DopeDaniel

Taste The Spectrum
IPM Forum Moderator
@MacGydro i don’t have that equipment except a drying rack. I’ll be ordering this equipment Friday because it sounds like I desperately need it. Sounds like I’m going to hang them in my tent with the vents closed in the room I guess since we keep the furnace around 70 usually. I have a humidifier I use for myself when it gets to dry here in the house I guess I’ll let it run outside the tent. While I’m at work and check them when I get back. I’m going to be using this as my bible for harvesting. Thank you for taking the time to help me out brother! I honestly didn’t expect to get that type of response I’m for ever grateful! Previous issues I have hanging them in the garage n didn’t control the temperature at all which would leave the buds toasty dry. Any advice and suggestions I’m always open to I’ll keep updating the pictures to see what you think.
Please don't take this the wrong way you may be on it already, I just don't want you putting the cart before the horse.

You should have stuff on hand to deal with cold weather. Stakes, frost blanket, tarp. By my guess you will be pushing Halloween and it will probably snow by then.
 
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