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WillieP · Mar 5, 2022

I could use a little assistance on how to proceed please.
This is a Pink Lotus that was sent to the flower tent to force it to show sex, and then put back in Veg after 10 days.
She just wouldn't go back to Veg (even after 10 weeks), so now I am just going to flower her out as is. (She's been in 12/12 for 1 week)
She is in soil, (2-gallon fabric pot), under LED lighting.
She showed symptoms of this issue while I had her in the veg tent, but not this bad.
She has received the same nutrients as all the other plants, and they show no issues.
That is: Jack's 321 at 80%, plus Cal-Mag @ 4ml/gallon and Silicon blast @ 2.5 ml/gallon, in RO water.

I blamed her problems on the Veg-Flower-Veg thing, and because I had never done that before, I was/am pretty clueless.
After trying to look for a solution, what I came up with was both a Cal and a Mag deficiency. (Soil PH is 7.0 BTW)
What I came up with as a remedy was a foliar spray of Cal-Mag at a rate of 15ml/gallon.
I can also up the Cal-Mag in her next feeding if that would be recommended...???
I have Epson Salt on hand as part of the Jack's 321, and I could increase in as well???
Is it better to just continue with the foliar feedings???

Any and all suggestions are welcomed.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
WillieP

Skunky Dunk Farms · Mar 5, 2022

WillieP said:
I could use a little assistance on how to proceed please.
This is a Pink Lotus that was sent to the flower tent to force it to show sex, and then put back in Veg after 10 days.
She just wouldn't go back to Veg (even after 10 weeks), so now I am just going to flower her out as is. (She's been in 12/12 for 1 week)
She is in soil, (2-gallon fabric pot), under LED lighting.
She showed symptoms of this issue while I had her in the veg tent, but not this bad.
She has received the same nutrients as all the other plants, and they show no issues.
That is: Jack's 321 at 80%, plus Cal-Mag @ 4ml/gallon and Silicon blast @ 2.5 ml/gallon, in RO water.

I blamed her problems on the Veg-Flower-Veg thing, and because I had never done that before, I was/am pretty clueless.
After trying to look for a solution, what I came up with was both a Cal and a Mag deficiency. (Soil PH is 7.0 BTW)
What I came up with as a remedy was a foliar spray of Cal-Mag at a rate of 15ml/gallon.
I can also up the Cal-Mag in her next feeding if that would be recommended...???
I have Epson Salt on hand as part of the Jack's 321, and I could increase in as well???
Is it better to just continue with the foliar feedings???

Any and all suggestions are welcomed.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
WillieP

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Those top 2 pics really look like a full Afghani pheno leaner, the NL#5 run i did had 2 plants that had those non serrated leaf growth patterns.

Now, why or how I'm at a loss.
I just finished up 3 Pink Lotus, 1 was small but all 3 grew normal.

WillieP · Mar 5, 2022

Skunky Dunk Farms said:
Those top 2 pics really look like a full Afghani pheno leaner, the NL#5 run i did had 2 plants that had those non serrated leaf growth patterns.

Now, why or how I'm at a loss.
I just finished up 3 Pink Lotus, 1 was small but all 3 grew normal.

Thanks for taking a look Skunky.
I followed your grow with the Pink Lotus, and your plants looked great.
I am totally confident that this is all on me.
The weird leaf patterns are from the Veg-Flower-Veg thing, I'm assuming.
And I understand that sometimes a plant just doesn't want to flip back.
I have never experienced just one plant out of 3 have such a deficiency when they are all receiving the same nutrients, and the other two look great.
Live and Learn...
I will treat this as a Cal-Mag thing unless I hear otherwise.

BTW, how is that Pink Lotus? Have you gotten to try much of her yet?
(If all had went well, I would have been harvesting about the same time you did.)
Thanks again,
WillieP

Hitch · Mar 5, 2022

Boy I’m 100% no expert, but she looks locked out to me. Have you tried lowering the pH?

WillieP · Mar 5, 2022

Hitch said:
Boy I’m 100% no expert, but she looks locked out to me. Have you tried lowering the pH?

Thanks for your input, Hitch.
I have not tried that, but I certainly can.
I thought I would be OK at 7.0.
I was just going by this type of chart:

What would you suggest as an ideal PH?
Asking cause I really don't know. (I started out in hydro)
Thanks for your help,
WillieP

Hitch · Mar 5, 2022

WillieP said:
Thanks for your input, Hitch.
I have not tried that, but I certainly can.
I thought I would be OK at 7.0.
I was just going by this type of chart:
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What would you suggest as an ideal PH?
Asking cause I really don't know. (I started out in hydro)
Thanks for your help,
WillieP

I grow in soil and keep my at 6.4 to 6.5, but I have grown a strain or two that seemed to like it lower. Mind you I am fairly new to the whole ph pen, where I can get a more accurate measurement, but even in the old ph liquid days I tried to water around 6.5 or slightly lower. Where I used to run into problems is as the nutes get used, ph typically lowers, which was hard to account for without the pen I have now.

I don’t think the extra cal mag will hurt you though, especially with RO water. I can’t speak to how the whole re-veg thing has affected this plant, but If it’s been in the pot for a few months she may also be a bit root bound as well.

She’s not super healthy, so it might be a long shot, but maybe you could take a couple cuttings and see if you have any luck rooting and re-vegging those.

If you are flowering it in this condition, keep a close eye though cause this looks like a ripe plant for herm issues.

Skunky Dunk Farms · Mar 5, 2022

WillieP said:
Thanks for taking a look Skunky.
I followed your grow with the Pink Lotus, and your plants looked great.
I am totally confident that this is all on me.
The weird leaf patterns are from the Veg-Flower-Veg thing, I'm assuming.
And I understand that sometimes a plant just doesn't want to flip back.
I have never experienced just one plant out of 3 have such a deficiency when they are all receiving the same nutrients, and the other two look great.
Live and Learn...
I will treat this as a Cal-Mag thing unless I hear otherwise.

BTW, how is that Pink Lotus? Have you gotten to try much of her yet?
(If all had went well, I would have been harvesting about the same time you did.)
Thanks again,
WillieP

The Lotus is an excellant head banger, and yeild was very decent.
I too had 2 grow perfect and 1 that was behind in all boxes but finnally took off.

WillieP · Mar 5, 2022

Hitch said:
I grow in soil and keep my at 6.4 to 6.5, but I have grown a strain or two that seemed to like it lower. Mind you I am fairly new to the whole ph pen, where I can get a more accurate measurement, but even in the old ph liquid days I tried to water around 6.5 or slightly lower. Where I used to run into problems is as the nutes get used, ph typically lowers, which was hard to account for without the pen I have now.

I don’t think the extra cal mag will hurt you though, especially with RO water. I can’t speak to how the whole re-veg thing has affected this plant, but If it’s been in the pot for a few months she may also be a bit root bound as well.

She’s not super healthy, so it might be a long shot, but maybe you could take a couple cuttings and see if you have any luck rooting and re-vegging those.

If you are flowering it in this condition, keep a close eye though cause this looks like a ripe plant for herm issues.

Thanks Hitch for the words of wisdom.
I will work on bringing the PH down.
I have a PH pen to check the water/nutrient I am applying to them, and also a probe to check the soil.
I should be able to get it where you suggest without much difficultly, fingers crossed. ?
Willie (who I got the seeds from) mentioned the possibility of cloning, but I have more seeds if I decide to run it again.
Also a good tip on watching out for hermies from the stress. Thanks.
Cheers,
WillieP

WillieP · Mar 5, 2022

Skunky Dunk Farms said:
The Lotus is an excellant head banger, and yeild was very decent.
I too had 2 grow perfect and 1 that was behind in all boxes but finnally took off.

Thanks for the reply Skunky.
I didn't express that well, the other two plants that I had in Veg were Chosen Mango's.
I get that they are a different strain, but the exact same nutrients and environment.
It just seemed really weird.
Cheers,
WillieP

Trial n Error · Mar 6, 2022

WillieP said:
I could use a little assistance on how to proceed please.
This is a Pink Lotus that was sent to the flower tent to force it to show sex, and then put back in Veg after 10 days.
She just wouldn't go back to Veg (even after 10 weeks), so now I am just going to flower her out as is. (She's been in 12/12 for 1 week)
She is in soil, (2-gallon fabric pot), under LED lighting.
She showed symptoms of this issue while I had her in the veg tent, but not this bad.
She has received the same nutrients as all the other plants, and they show no issues.
That is: Jack's 321 at 80%, plus Cal-Mag @ 4ml/gallon and Silicon blast @ 2.5 ml/gallon, in RO water.

I blamed her problems on the Veg-Flower-Veg thing, and because I had never done that before, I was/am pretty clueless.
After trying to look for a solution, what I came up with was both a Cal and a Mag deficiency. (Soil PH is 7.0 BTW)
What I came up with as a remedy was a foliar spray of Cal-Mag at a rate of 15ml/gallon.
I can also up the Cal-Mag in her next feeding if that would be recommended...???
I have Epson Salt on hand as part of the Jack's 321, and I could increase in as well???
Is it better to just continue with the foliar feedings???

Any and all suggestions are welcomed.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
WillieP

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Hey WillieP. First, I was checking out your journal and WOW! Nice work. I ran into something similar in my first grow. It started on my lower fan leaves and started moving up. My branches and petioles were red and as things progressed the outside edge of my leaves were curling under. I also treated for cal- mag deficiencies, but it still progressed. I started reaching out and was directed to Phosphorous, from a friend. He suggested to keep my ph between 6.2 and 6.7 ,and get some Monopotassium Phosphate and add 1 gram per gallon to my regular Jack's mix. I added the MPK and it quit progressing, and my stems and petioles started to green back up. This is for information purposes only. I only have one grow under my belt and just trying to help. I'm just learning. Good Luck.

WillieP · Mar 6, 2022

Trial n Error said:
Hey WillieP. First, I was checking out your journal and WOW! Nice work. I ran into something similar in my first grow. It started on my lower fan leaves and started moving up. My branches and petioles were red and as things progressed the outside edge of my leaves were curling under. I also treated for cal- mag deficiencies, but it still progressed. I started reaching out and was directed to Phosphorous, from a friend. He suggested to keep my ph between 6.2 and 6.7 ,and get some Monopotassium Phosphate and add 1 gram per gallon to my regular Jack's mix. I added the MPK and it quit progressing, and my stems and petioles started to green back up. This is for information purposes only. I only have one grow under my belt and just trying to help. I'm just learning. Good Luck.

T n E,
Thanks for your input and the kind words.
I am going to work on lowering my soil PH and continue with the Cal-Mag foliar sprays.
I do have MPK on hand and add it as well. The plant is only just starting it's second week of flower, so adding some MPK shouldn't hurt it either way IMO.
Cheers Mate,
WillieP

Willie · Mar 6, 2022

WillieP said:
I could use a little assistance on how to proceed please.
This is a Pink Lotus that was sent to the flower tent to force it to show sex, and then put back in Veg after 10 days.
She just wouldn't go back to Veg (even after 10 weeks), so now I am just going to flower her out as is. (She's been in 12/12 for 1 week)
She is in soil, (2-gallon fabric pot), under LED lighting.
She showed symptoms of this issue while I had her in the veg tent, but not this bad.
She has received the same nutrients as all the other plants, and they show no issues.
That is: Jack's 321 at 80%, plus Cal-Mag @ 4ml/gallon and Silicon blast @ 2.5 ml/gallon, in RO water.

I blamed her problems on the Veg-Flower-Veg thing, and because I had never done that before, I was/am pretty clueless.
After trying to look for a solution, what I came up with was both a Cal and a Mag deficiency. (Soil PH is 7.0 BTW)
What I came up with as a remedy was a foliar spray of Cal-Mag at a rate of 15ml/gallon.
I can also up the Cal-Mag in her next feeding if that would be recommended...???
I have Epson Salt on hand as part of the Jack's 321, and I could increase in as well???
Is it better to just continue with the foliar feedings???

Any and all suggestions are welcomed.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
WillieP

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The last pic looks like a K deficiency or a lockout. The pics before are hard to say because they are all single blade leaves...who knows how they should behave?

Now when Pink Lotus veg's, it will usually make these huge fan leaves and then it will eat them later. That can look ugly but truth is the plant knows what it's doing. I would cut them off anyway if they were not eaten, too much cover. Maybe the single blades were those those big fans but in their current mutant shape. I don't know for sure. Looks like K def on the last pic but I would also check the roots to eliminate being root bound.

You are going to need to trim and shape that plant or just hash it. If you don't trim it it will be popcorn galore because she will try and bud at every node.

Did you take a clone yet? It would be 10 days old today, lol

I did stress test these pinks including an 11' elevation drop.....never seen a sac

But you will be the new stress tester with this round

WillieP · Mar 6, 2022

Willie said:
The last pic looks like a K deficiency or a lockout. The pics before are hard to say because they are all single blade leaves...who knows how they should behave?

Now when Pink Lotus veg's, it will usually make these huge fan leaves and then it will eat them later. That can look ugly but truth is the plant knows what it's doing. I would cut them off anyway if they were not eaten, too much cover. Maybe the single blades were those those big fans but in their current mutant shape. I don't know for sure. Looks like K def on the last pic but I would also check the roots to eliminate being root bound.

You are going to need to trim and shape that plant or just hash it. If you don't trim it it will be popcorn galore because she will try and bud at every node.

Did you take a clone yet? It would be 10 days old today, lol

I did stress test these pinks including an 11' elevation drop.....never seen a sac But you will be the new stress tester with this round

Thanks Willie for input, much appreciated!
I have switched over to the nutrients that I typically use in flower now.
From Jack's to Master Blend, and it has a higher K percentage.
We will see if that helps.
I do plan on trimming her up somewhat, but I don't smoke nugs anyway, so it will all go to edibles, or like you said, hash.
You da Man.
Cheers,
Willie P

Willie · Mar 6, 2022

WillieP said:
Thanks Willie for input, much appreciated!
I have switched over to the nutrients that I typically use in flower now.
From Jack's to Master Blend, and it has a higher K percentage.
We will see if that helps.
I do plan on trimming her up somewhat, but I don't smoke nugs anyway, so it will all go to edibles, or like you said, hash.
You da Man.
Cheers,
Willie P

for reference I've been running straight Jacks 123 with a little flower girl in the middle of flower. My H2O is about 7, I never checked my soil however. I'll look around for a leaf eating pic....I know I took one....where?, well that's another matter entirely

Frimpong · Mar 6, 2022

What's your light schedule? Just curious. And sorry if you already said

WillieP · Mar 6, 2022

Frimpong said:
What's your light schedule? Just curious. And sorry if you already said

The plant in question has been in the flower tent for 7 days.
Flower tent is at 12/12
Veg tent is at 18/6

Hawkman · Mar 7, 2022

first - for a picture of your plant issues go to "growweedeasy" for pictures of all plant issues - for you switching issue your light cycles must be considered - one might say to keep it simple - maybe drop ph=ing and use calmag only in flower cycle only (early, middle, late)

thesunnyvalekid · Mar 7, 2022

Hey WillieP, gonna add my two cents, which is not much. She looks like she is in lockout mode, not sure if it’s a PH problem, @Willie has it right, K issue, which caused most likely a calcium issue. I would flush her with water, give her some bio’s (Recharge, OrganismXL) to straighten out the root zone, then start half strength nutrients. Stress when switching back to veg. sometimes can cause the girl to drink what she doesn’t need. I’m not a pro, nor do I do any better than anyone else, just some insights on your issue. Good Luck.

Willie · Mar 7, 2022

took some shots last night of a Pink Lotus to illustrate the leaf eating. This is the #12 mom F3, used in the F4 crosses along with mom's #1 and #3.

here it is eating the lower fans

this is the whole plant and you can see it starting on that leaf in the lower center.

Those fans are huge.....this one is completely covering several buds

that fan above is probably the next one eaten. This is a bottom up eat job and it's just the plant moving and using macros as it sees fit.

If you look in the second pic......it looks a bit dense in there..but it will thin out when the oversize fans go bye bye. There is still plenty of leaf left to grow the plant out

WillieP · Mar 13, 2022

I didn't want to just leave this open ended, so this is a copy and paste from my main journal...

Well Kids,
The Pink Lotus has seen her last sunrise!
My cannabis hobby is as much, if not more, about the gardening than it is about the usage.
That plant was sucking the joy out of my garden.
So, she had to go.
It was never going to amount to anything much, and as I've said, I have more seeds.
I'll post pics tomorrow.
Cheers,
WillieP

Thank you to those that tried to help out.
I'm just going to put this one behind me...

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