2024 Outdoor Vegetable Garden

Willie

πŸ“ Crush Genetics πŸ“

Willie

πŸ“ Crush Genetics πŸ“
Grabbed 24 packs of seeds @ DollarTree.,.......4 packs for a dollar. Selections are limited but hard to beat for 25 cents a pack. DollarTree brings out their seeds after Valentines day. Non GMO and from an established seed company.
 

belleswell

In Bloom
Grabbed 24 packs of seeds @ DollarTree.,.......4 packs for a dollar. Selections are limited but hard to beat for 25 cents a pack. DollarTree brings out their seeds after Valentines day. Non GMO and from an established seed company.

Nice score Willie. Great price.






My larger order of seeds arrived today. Second tent with a 4' 8 lamp HO T5 fixture is now open for business. First up will be some of the peppers and cabbages which are all slow starters. Over the next few weeks others will be added. I'll eventually end up with around 10 flats. :)

The plant in the vegetable tent is a Platinum Dosi from Inhouse Genetics. My 4x4 tent in our fruit cellar has been much colder than I like it. Lights come on at 6 pm and go off at 6 am. Night time is when the light is on/daytime it's off. Light on temp is around 80 F. Light off temps have varied from 62 to 66 F. When I saw that it was 62 in the 4x4, I moved the pre-filter out into the main room where temps are usually 72 F. It made a little bit of a difference with lows now at 66 F. I may have to buy a electric heater for my fruit cellar. I also thought of buying insulated 6" flexible hose for ventilation. That could make a difference of a degree or two. I know cold nights stresses plants sometimes causing herms. Nobody wants that. :(

I was looking closely at the Platinum Dosi, and had concerns. It looked like some nanners on a couple branches so, I temporarily moved it to the veg tent with the peppers and
cabbages. Closer investigation showed what I thought were nanners as fat single bracts at the nodes without the pistels showing yet. Others that looked just like it have some small pistels just starting to show. The nodes branch flowers and the tops are doing nicely after 16 days of flower. Having a closer look at it in the vegetable tent with the 8 4' HO lamps on her as I could walk around her completely and with my reading glasses, which I hate having to wear, were much better for close examination. I didn't break out the loop yet as I could see that I was wrong with my glasses on. :)

Still I'm going to leave it in this tent a while to make sure and keep it separated from from my 4x4 which in now day 16. She may miss the 1000w MH she had been used to, but it will have to do for now. The tent in the fruit cellar with my grow will get a lamp change from MH to HPS in 2 or 3 weeks. The 8 HO lamps in the 4' fixture are a mix of red and blue having 4 of each. She will be fine, and I know she will appreciate the warmer temps in the room she is in now.





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Excuse my digression in this outside vegetable garden thread with my woes of a cold fruit cellar and rapidly running out of head room on my grow which is not quite
3 weeks. The jack chain/bracket trick may save me a little, as has the low stress training I've been doing on 3 of the strains which are very stretchy. It may soon be time to
fold, bend and mutilate them a little to let them know who's in charge. :slapping:

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In case your wondering, defoliation is done slowly instead of all at once.
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When I run out of room in my 80 inch tent, I remove the V brackets on top of the 1000w lens covered/vent through design light
fixtures and use a small amount of jack chain where the V bracket was with a ceiling bracket I made for support. Note the
lock washer on the bracket to stop it from loosening from vibration from the oscillating fans attached on the upright tent supports
that I have on 2 of them. Made from 1/2 inch emt. The half straps are also from the electrical department at Home Depot or Menards.


This arrangement allows me to get the fixture as close as I possibly can to the ceiling, and has saved me in the past with some other very stretchy
varieties.

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belleswell

In Bloom
Seven flats planted with 48 per flat and 3 left yet to put seeds in. Last year I started many of
them too early, and by the 2nd week of May, I had vine growing plants taking over.

The herm Platinum Dosi in the corner is getting close, which will leave me more room for the last three flats. It has quite a few
seeds that I'll probably never plant with others as I think genetics dealt me a bad hand with this one. There would have been more
seeds, but I snipped off dozens and dozens of nanners

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Willie

πŸ“ Crush Genetics πŸ“
One weeks growth. Everything is up but the habeneros and jalapenos. The chile's are all sporting 2 though. Tomatoes are Mark Twain, Opalka, Black Prince, Black Cherokee, German Johnson, Better Bush and Soldaki. The Soldaki seeds were from 2020 so I planted extras and I think they all came up. Still have some doubles of that. They are now getting diluted Alaskan Fish juice for feed. 20210422_233447.jpg 20210422_233503.jpg 20210422_233514.jpg 20210422_233518.jpg
 

Willie

πŸ“ Crush Genetics πŸ“
wow, jealous of you guys able to start already. we're still in the low 20sF in the morning here.

what do you guys add to your soil to get ready for growing? i generally add a bag of cow manure but is there anything else that helps?? we have an outdoor g'house and pretty much only do tomatoes and hot peppers in it.
Most of my beds have been worked, cover cropped and are fairly easy to plant in. I would stay away from the bagged cow manure as there are some potential issues with it that can linger for a while. i.e. cows eat grass with weed killer in it and it comes thru and ruins your dirt. This happened to me in 2 5' x 8' beds. I had no idea why either but basically lost the use of them for 3 years........nothing would grow, not even covers. @Chunky Stool posted an article about here somewhere. After what happened to me I'll never buy another bag. Better to source out some lobster compost from the Maine soil place. Ace Hardware gets me that but I need to give them 2-3 days....but then they bring it too ;)

And this year I am bringing indoors at seasons end at least 1 pepper plant to overwinter. Supposed to go gangbusters in the second year.

Make your compost pile large!
 

Chunky Stool

Plant Destroyer
Most of my beds have been worked, cover cropped and are fairly easy to plant in. I would stay away from the bagged cow manure as there are some potential issues with it that can linger for a while. i.e. cows eat grass with weed killer in it and it comes thru and ruins your dirt. This happened to me in 2 5' x 8' beds. I had no idea why either but basically lost the use of them for 3 years........nothing would grow, not even covers. @Chunky Stool posted an article about here somewhere. After what happened to me I'll never buy another bag. Better to source out some lobster compost from the Maine soil place. Ace Hardware gets me that but I need to give them 2-3 days....but then they bring it too ;)

And this year I am bringing indoors at seasons end at least 1 pepper plant to overwinter. Supposed to go gangbusters in the second year.

Make your compost pile large!
Here's a link:

If you've got good compost and a thick layer of mulch to keep it from drying out, there's a very good chance your garden will do just fine.

Organic gardening should be simple. :weedleaf:
 

Willie

πŸ“ Crush Genetics πŸ“
It wasn't all that long ago that Bovung in the bag was really cow manure. It stunk bad and uniform with no identifiable bits. Open a bag now and see how much bark and wood chips are in there. They may try and feed the cows wood chips :) but even if they actually could I doubt they pass thru said cow and then be composted and STILL come out looking like wood chips. I call Horseshit (pun) on that.

Moved out some of the cabbages and kale. Tomatoes will be getting miracle grow next watering. Tomatoes will go out to the cold frame next week. I'll keep the peppers in for a bit. Then it's flowers and greens and squashes. IMG_20240417_150124965_HDR.jpg IMG_20240417_150137301_HDR.jpg IMG_20240417_150144816_HDR.jpg
 

rkymtnman

In Bloom
It wasn't all that long ago that Bovung in the bag was really cow manure. It stunk bad and uniform with no identifiable bits. Open a bag now and see how much bark and wood chips are in there. They may try and feed the cows wood chips :) but even if they actually could I doubt they pass thru said cow and then be composted and STILL come out looking like wood chips. I call Horseshit (pun) on that.

Moved out some of the cabbages and kale. Tomatoes will be getting miracle grow next watering. Tomatoes will go out to the cold frame next week. I'll keep the peppers in for a bit. Then it's flowers and greens and squashes. View attachment 200821 View attachment 200822 View attachment 200823
wow! very nice. what is your favorite tomato variety ? damn, now i gotta lighta fire under my ass and get some seeds started in my veg tent.
 

Bullfrog

In Bloom
@Willie, you have a great start there, can't wait to see your garden in August and September.

I'm still in the early stages of getting my property in order, don't have a garden built yet but I have some things planned. My starts are a bit behind yours but still ahead of schedule for above the 45th. It’s last of May early June for tender plants in these parts. I usually push it though especially with the meds. Hopefully I can contribute to this thread this Summer. Going to be trying lots of new things, to me anyway.
 

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belleswell

In Bloom
Because my 2nd tent that has my flats of veggies in it, along with a Platinum Dosi herm (from Inbred Genetics), I had to keep the lights on
a 12 hour cycle to complete the the Platinum Dosi. I cut her/him down last night. I brought the timer back to 18s for better results on the flats of
veggies. I'm now up to 8 and a half flats. 408 starters. I even had a couple of the starter squash plants sending out flowers because of the 12 hour schedule. They
will adapt now that I've switched them back to 18s.

My compost pile will be getting a little smaller at the beginning of the season, as I plan on using a few wheel barrels full of it for the compost in the garden.

I have some left over bags of manure bought last year that worked well and did not seem to have the active ingredients in Grazon that screwed up so
many peoples gardens the last few years. My compost pile is a mix of grass clippings collected in my 3 bag system on my riding mower. Three and a
half acres is a lot of grass clippings for the compost pile. As well, in the fall with all of the trees, I collect a ton of leaves that get chopped and mulched
in the riding mower into the bags are added to the pile. I collect quite a bit of filamentous algae from our pond that gets layered between the grass
clippings. I recently started adding roasted peanut shells to the pile. We go through 2 to 3 25 lb boxes of Hampton farms roasted shelled peanuts over a
years time, and they've been added to the pile as well. The squirrels, birds, and I all love them.

The crushed egg shells and the used coffee grounds will get sprinkled around each of the starter plants. I have 2 full one gallon bags of the hand
crushed egg shells collected over the last year, and 7 one gallon bags of used coffee grounds. All of the melon plants love regular feedings of manure
where the stem comes out of the soil. The egg shells and coffee grounds are sparingly sprinkled around each of the plants.


To lower the weeding time in the garden even more, when I move the 3' wide strips garden fabric to expose new ground, I will put the garden fabric
strips closer together. I still need to leave room for the drip tape irrigation between the rows of the garden fabric. I had thought about covering the
drip tape completely and just have small cut outs for each of the plants, but the drip tape is prone to damage and occasionally needs a boo boo plug
and with the drip tape completely covered, I would not be able to see the leaks in the drip tape. I going to narrow down the the exposed ground in
each row to an inch and a half to two inches, which gives me an area for the drip tape and the plant and much less of an area to weed.

I started adding some cattails from the pond as well to the compost pile. It's a little over 3 foot tall, and around 8' wide x15' long. I have an order pending
from Homepage , *Uncle Jim's Worm Farm, for a couple thousand leaf worms to add to the compost pile.

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Peanut shells too

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Cattails also
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We save all of our milk jugs and I recently cut the bottoms off 50 of them and then made perforations near the top. I use these on all melon plants which seem to be the most prone to critters browsing them to the ground, but plan on using them as well on some of the weak stemmed starters like cabbages ,brussels sprouts, and broccoli. I leave the milk jugs on them for a few weeks as the plants are starting and then I'll remove them. I was surprised how well they worked on our melon plants the last couple of years.
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I'll be narrowing the gap between each of the 3' wide strips of garden fabric to a couple of inches instead of the distance shown in this pic from a couple years ago.

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Our Nanking Cherry bushes are in full blossom now.
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We will be putting in another half a dozen blueberry bushes as well this spring. Can never have enough blueberries on hand. We eat them almost as fast as we pick them and
I'd like to have enough to make some jam from them.
 
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Willie

πŸ“ Crush Genetics πŸ“
wow! very nice. what is your favorite tomato variety ? damn, now i gotta lighta fire under my ass and get some seeds started in my veg tent.
My fave is Mark Twain. It's rare, an heirloom and makes big tasty tomatos. The third pic is of Park Seeds Better Bush. I got those off amazon and really happy with them. The others are good too but those 2 are exceptional. Opalka is right at the top too.
@Willie, you have a great start there, can't wait to see your garden in August and September.

I'm still in the early stages of getting my property in order, don't have a garden built yet but I have some things planned. My starts are a bit behind yours but still ahead of schedule for above the 45th. It’s last of May early June for tender plants in these parts. I usually push it though especially with the meds. Hopefully I can contribute to this thread this Summer. Going to be trying lots of new things, to me anyway.
I'm at 41.3 lat so a little ahead of you. I put everything out into a cold frame too. It buys me time and opens up space for more seedlings. Squash and cukes will go next round and be plenty big enough to plant out direct. Those live in the cold frame but not well.............then they just kinda fizzle out if they got too cold. I can still put butternuts out around july 4th and get a crop. Cukes...if they go out too soon, they will be eaten by slugs and pill bugs......after a leaf or two are on them they don't bother them as much.
Then I'll direct seed Beans last. Peas went in in march.

Last years potato crop was not great, but a bunch of the smaller spuds I didn't eat went and sprouted in the cardboard box they were in........So I planted them in 15 gallon fabric pots. Some are already popping up thru the dirt.
Asparagus has not popped up yet.
 

rkymtnman

In Bloom
My fave is Mark Twain. It's rare, an heirloom and makes big tasty tomatos. The third pic is of Park Seeds Better Bush. I got those off amazon and really happy with them. The others are good too but those 2 are exceptional. Opalka is right at the top too
i'll have to look those 3 up. is park seeds from greenwood sc by chance? i used to live close by.

i've found that i do best with cold climate/ short season varieties. Stupice is one that produces good here.
 

Willie

πŸ“ Crush Genetics πŸ“
i'll have to look those 3 up. is park seeds from greenwood sc by chance? i used to live close by.

i've found that i do best with cold climate/ short season varieties. Stupice is one that produces good here.
Look at Fedco seeds in Maine. There is only one grower of the Mark Twains in the US as far as I know. Fedco works with a lot of small time growers that are dedicated to the seeds they are making. Prices are generally excellent and germination is also excellent. Example....my Soldaki tomato seeds were purchased for the 2020 season and here 4 years later they are leaping out of the pots. I've had lettuce seed from there last 5 years.

Park seed started out in Pa. but moved to South Carolina as it expanded. Been around since the civil war. This is only my second year with these Better Bush........but they get the thickest stalks I ever grew and a good 10 tomatoes per. Beefsteak'y but some are a little smaller and some are quite big..........on the same plant. Great taste.
 

Bullfrog

In Bloom
Sowed some radish, carrots and mixed lettuce seeds a week or two ago and I noticed that the radishes have poked their head out. Forgot to snap a pic.

@Willie, do you save some seed for the next season? I've been saving pepper seeds for a while now but haven't done it with any other veggies. Have 6 different heirloom tomatoes and I want to save seed from any plants I like so I can grow them next year. My dad did this with a bunch of his veggies, I think I need to follow the old mans lead. He was always adamant about saving seed from the best plants in his mj and his garden.
 

Willie

πŸ“ Crush Genetics πŸ“
Sowed some radish, carrots and mixed lettuce seeds a week or two ago and I noticed that the radishes have poked their head out. Forgot to snap a pic.

@Willie, do you save some seed for the next season? I've been saving pepper seeds for a while now but haven't done it with any other veggies. Have 6 different heirloom tomatoes and I want to save seed from any plants I like so I can grow them next year. My dad did this with a bunch of his veggies, I think I need to follow the old mans lead. He was always adamant about saving seed from the best plants in his mj and his garden.
I used to save as many as possible. Like Zinnias......I saved a shitload from last years. But mostly aside from lettuce, radishes, and pole beans I find it easier and better to buy good seeds. I remember a fiasco with saved acorn squash seeds........they came out bright white, lol. Besides that , they tasted disgusting. A friggin Hybrid.........To save stuff the plant's need to be open pollinated heirloom types. And those could possibly cross pollinate too.
I try and buy a little each year and different things. I put one seed a cup, if it does not pop, plant another. Seed will last for a while. I am using a 2 gallon plastic paint jug for storage and it's absolutely stuffed with seeds. Got a dollar tree near you......seeds are a quarter a pack and they all pop.
I saved some cuke seeds that I thought I couldn't get any more. That process is basically just let the cuke grow, get super fat and die. Then let the thing rot, then grab the seeds. I'd rather pony up, lol.
 
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