Fems vs Regs

[OldG]

I ran out of fems...a long time ago. Well I have a ton of GP fems.... But I am trying to cut back on intersex.

They are not all bad but ...if im going to test shit I will test FREAK gear.

Regs.... they were a unicorn to me....my god you might get a male.... and when you grow them a lot...man you can spot a male pinecone head from across a room.

REGS for the win period...there is EVERYTHING availble.

That being said up here in the Great White North, people have a 4 plant count. Regs DO NOT SELL except to med users really. The rest use fems and auto fems.

I would rather graft a single plant with 3 strains and run all 3 than do that...or ...indoors...wgaf. no one is counting... grow a set.

And GREAT breeders run regs FOREVER...then they might run FEMS.......but some of them never do.

I go with what works....and....shit if that dude looks good make beans

 

[WODAHS]

Very interesting...looking forward to seeing some flowers!

Weeks Remaining till Amber

 

[OldG]

I think the bigger metic is how many regs vs fems that you have grown have intersected.
I have never paid attention. Except to kill intersex with extreme prejudice
I will never pluck balls and see
But that is me. I try to grow quality
Things really changed year 3 when I mastered my space and environment.
I never question my ability now. I just smoke fire

 

[Chunky Stool]

I ran out of fems...a long time ago. Well I have a ton of GP fems.... But I am trying to cut back on intersex.

They are not all bad but ...if im going to test shit I will test FREAK gear.

Regs.... they were a unicorn to me....my god you might get a male.... and when you grow them a lot...man you can spot a male pinecone head from across a room.

REGS for the win period...there is EVERYTHING availble.

That being said up here in the Great White North, people have a 4 plant count. Regs DO NOT SELL except to med users really. The rest use fems and auto fems.

I would rather graft a single plant with 3 strains and run all 3 than do that...or ...indoors...wgaf. no one is counting... grow a set.

And GREAT breeders run regs FOREVER...then they might run FEMS.......but some of them never do.

I go with what works....and....shit if that dude looks good make beans

What happened with the GP fems? Did they bottleneck on some intersex traits? (cookies?)

just curious

I run regs because the selection is unsurpassed and prices are usually reasonable.

Today I ordered a pack of triangle glue autos by Tony Green. They are regs -- and on sale for 50% off at DCSE.

Thought they might be fun to play with.

Maybe hit Rain Bird with some auto pollen??? (thanks @Cincimilla Genetics)

 

[WODAHS]

What happened with the GP fems? Did they bottleneck on some intersex traits? (cookies?)

just curious

I run regs because the selection is unsurpassed and prices are usually reasonable.

Today I ordered a pack of triangle glue autos by Tony Green. They are regs -- and on sale for 50% off at DCSE.

Thought they might be fun to play with.

Maybe hit Rain Bird with some auto pollen??? (thanks @Cincimilla Genetics)

Not sure if you need to speed up the Rain Bird any, She's supposed to have a pretty fast photoperiod.

 

[Lurrabq]

I had to pluck balls on a freebie Sapphire OG this last run. Seemed to be a couple of branches that were affected. Balls did not come back, and I've only found 1 seed so far. Nice lemon pledge flavor and a good OG buzz so I'll see how many more seeds show up.

 

[Chunky Stool]

Tbh I love feminized and not being a breeder I feel better knowing I can say good bye males , key is picking legit breeders and strains but also hermie scanning like any issue for growing , daily scanning and scouting . many times I have found balls in first 1-4th week of bloom and it was less than 5 balls and when I removed them and scanned daily majority of time I never see them regrow back or have hermie issues the 2nd time ran? Just saying i by being told and saw online to always kill the hermies, what I notice is many times best pheno growing wise is the hermie and being not a breeder and those results seem to be for me why not keep em? Like everything key is scouting and knowing the issues

if you want to grow without any worry of hermies get urself a nice 1-4 cemented clones or already ran moms and forget doing seeds. I don’t blindly support people who need every sqft and need in small sqft for need of 1-3lb min per 4x4. just saying if u go by plant count and many states have small and if u do regulars and 50%ish are males and than high % will also lower ur chances of prime % of harvest %. I’m willing to take loose because of needs of always wanting and wanting to explore but also plant count isn’t my limits . I also know my will to hunt hurts a huge % of guratee of 1-3lb per 4x4 100%. just being honest cause there’s too many people acting like if u grow seed blindly all will be like the keeper the breeder is presenting as the example of the seed pack.

the pro is you can find a keeper and a plant that works for you, so many times the “keeper” for other is def not my favor of smoke or growing and pkant itself doesn’t like my style. Since I don’t and never will grow one plant that style isn’t gonnea work but also best qc/sop for me on hunting for strains is based on what works and what everyone likes on end result. My biggest issue was thinking these seeds or clone was gonnea be as good or cemented to work in my garden and grow style. So sometimes people need to realize maybe pick what’s best in theirs vs huge claims .


for me more I germinate and have to clone it and also run em multi times if I like it obviously before cementing in the mom. doing regulars at my scale works but man the feminized ones are even better , as long as u hermie scan! shoot if the plant is runty and slow and small. Let them stay alive but to save sqft put them via side light and take em as extra’s. interesting thing is I’ve seen many side lighter pheno’s and runty/small even be my favorites smoke wise, but I have yet to this date willing to keep those pheno’s around , I’ll keep the bud as head stash if I like it enough but fuck the ultra low yeilders lol

Sprouting lots of seeds is like gambling.
You know… the ol’ risk/reward rush.

I don’t always make clones, so there are many ‘lost keeper’ stories.

 

[Psychobilly]

I normally would like to have regs, but in no way do I mind popping fems either. Mainly because some strains simply aren't around as regs. I know for the Alpha Skunk Cheese I ran this season, they're fems, and I did hear from pwny that he saw some balls on some lowers on his indoor run of it. I knew that was a possibility, as he informed me that happened with his, but running a seedling outside, I didn't notice any problems. Now, could that be the differences in climate / environment ? Sure. Maybe. Didn't stop me in the least from sprinkling Cheetos pollen on a clone of her either. Her looks were insane, her smell is insane, and MAN was she pretty! Purples and Pinks and covered in resin....

I literally had to clean my scissors as I gave her a quick trim to get her into a jar, and once that jar was full, I started with a half pound Grove Bag, and at one point, I had to clean the scissors again, and this was on the last 4 or so branches left of that rack, and they were sticking together before I finished the last branch for the day. Now, these are fem seeds, and I still have like 2 left, and now I have about 40 seeds of Alpha Skunk Cheese X Cheetos, which I'm super excited about.

I know that there's a chance for recessive traits to pop in there, but, Cheese itself is a recessive trait, so I'm fine with it LOL.

Blueberry Cheesecake is also fem only, and again, I had no problem dusting a clone of her with some Cheetos pollen. I started my project basically to give myself more Cheese to play with, and learn how to properly put some pollen on some flower, and the smells and overall structure of the plants I chose to dust, and of course the smell, were a huge part of my process. Is there a chance I'll find some intersex issues ? Sure. Will that stop me from running them ? LOL nah, they smelled so good that I'm excited to see how it went.

I also have some Chem DMT, and you best believe I'll be dusting that thing first chance I get! I love Chem D, and finally having a chance to put some Cheese to that, is what got me wanting to do this to begin with.

I guess one reason I don't mind using them, is that, for some strains that we use, and need medically, I only have it in bagseed form anyway, so there's always a chance for that to show up anyway. But I'm not growing to sell to a dispensary, or for some bag appeal, as that isn't how I roll. I grow because we need these strains, and I couldn't afford to smoke like I do paying for the bud. I ran Gelato #33 bagseed again this season, because that strain helps the Wife out a lot. Same with the Skywalker I ran.

I want to explore the strains that help the most, and I don't think I'm going to let a nanner chance stop me from doing that, when I might end up with something that helps the Wife and I both in the process. I'll explore for now, and see how it goes from there.

Just my thoughts on something that, until this season, I'd never considered much before. If I was to start breeding a lot more, and people wanted to buy what I did ? That's different. It's like being a Chef; You don't serve things you know aren't done right. Though it would be funny AF to have a little label on there that "eating non fully cooked nanners can make you sick" LOL.

 

[Kanzeon]

So as a dude that's chucked at fems a few times, here are my thoughts.

First, I think there's a huge difference between genetic and environmental herms. If a plant herms under normal circumstances or in a testing environment that's way different than being hit with reversing spray. I think it's a fallacy to say that fems are inherently more prone to herming because there are so many variables, and I think that it's likely that none of us have a large enough sample size personally to be able to draw conclusions from.

If a breeder has run a cut enough that they want to self it, that means that it's already been successful to some extent. Reversing that just means that they want to preserve those genetics that have already had some level of success. Yes, of course there are cuts that are harder to self and won't make pollen if reversed, but I don't buy that those characteristics mean that that plant isn't prone to environmental herming.

That first incross essentially just works to preserve the genetics of the mother, obvs. Of course because the genes of the moms of that initial cross are the same, the vigor will decrease with each successive generation of those genetics due to a lack of hybrid vigor unless something different is introduced. Like @Frimpong said, the male adds a lot genetically. The wider the genetics of a cross, the more chance there is to find phenos that can be transgressively segregated.

(Transgressive Segregation Primer, Another one)

"Transgressive segregation produces hybrid progeny phenotypes that exceed the parental phenotypes. Unlike heterosis, extreme phenotypes caused by transgressive segregation are heritably stable."

Chucking at fems is also part of the process of taking cannabis genetics from being heterozygous to homozygous, per Todd McCormick and Robert Clarke. Doing that will produce more consistent offspring for IBL's. Feminizing and backcrossing was part of the process for creating Skunk 1, and it takes a few generations out of the process of creating an IBL.

 

[Psychobilly]

Feminizing and backcrossing was part of the process for creating Skunk 1, and it takes a few generations out of the process of creating an IBL.

I never had a chance for this in the early days, since Skunk came out before I did, but I did read an article that stated the guy breeding Skunk, worked that line for a WHILE before he released it. Multiple generations, selections, and so on, and put a lot of work into what became Skunk #1. I did not know he he back crossed anything though... And now my brain is right back at "Recessive traits of Skunk #1" as it usually goes there quite a bit. Man if I win the Lotto, once you guys are in your new homes, I'm buying a couple hundred thousand Skunk seeds to fem the fuck out of them, and try to find Cheese #2.