Is breeding still a lucrative trade?

Smoke_A_Lot

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There's a lot of big time breeders out there, and the market is over saturated with all types of strains with new ones coming out every day. Is there room in the game for the little guy to make money any more? I know all about branding, and that's important. I'm not talking about pollen chucking either, there's enough of those people in the game. I mean if you took the time and work to create stable genetics is there money to be made out there? I appreciate all answers but I'm specifically looking for advice for those who did it or are still actively doing it.
 

Dino Party

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Ignore the market, grow the plant, build your community, and fuck the rest of the noise.

If thats your mindset you might as well just go sell cars or jellybeans or NFT's.
Cannabis is just your method of capitol extraction.

I dont do this for the money, and my full time job is serving my community as a letter carrier.
 

Smoke_A_Lot

In Bloom
Ignore the market, grow the plant, build your community, and fuck the rest of the noise.

If thats your mindset you might as well just go sell cars or jellybeans or NFT's.
Cannabis is just your method of capitol extraction.

I dont do this for the money, and my full time job is serving my community as a letter carrier.

I agree with pretty much everything you said especially the beginning part.

For me it would be more of a side hustle/side project. I wouldn't do it for the money, an unknown breeder just starting wouldn't be able to sustain himself off it to make a living in the beginning anyways.
 
The US is saturated with seed makers. Line breeding appears to be a dead issue aside from large names, and micro breeders like in house are the ones killing it money wise.

Just about the end result for me, purpose driven not money driven. Can forget about making money selling seed creations without that “boom fiya” bs. I sell seeds in consignment in local stores, and help sell clones online. Not much else.
 

Psychobilly

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I just started breeding this past year. Sure, it would be awesome if anyone wanted anything I did, but my first cross I've now started, I just recently named "Rotted Skunk Pecker Cheese". I don't see me becoming the next big thing, unless I find a Popeye's credit card someone forgot to cancel. I'd be fucking HUGE then. My reasons are mainly to satisfy my curiosity and Cheese obsession, and try to find the most pungent plants I can get ahold of, and make them smell more. No one is trying to pay for stuff that smells like a Limburger Cheese factory got attacked by Skunks that hit a sewage line full of Kitty Litter. Well, other than me of course. Then again, you never know; you may one day walk into a dispensary and see people lined up for "Yeast Infection". I think that'd be a great way to bastardize Bakerz Dozen's yeasty terps. Lol.
 

Amarok

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I mentioned this at the time, after I had a chat with an old friend who is a legal grower. He talked about his connections to some of the big labs and his experiences. He talked about the many thousands of plants that are culled through genetic testing before reducing the test pool to a small number of potential stars which are then grown out and tested.

These programs can do in months what it would take an old school chucker multiple lifetimes to do.

After that conversation, any thoughts I had of possibly monetizing seeds ended. This isn't the old days where you compete with peers. Now the money game is being taken over by the Dows and Duponts and Cargills.

That doesn't affect my love of growing or my intention to continue, it just separates me that much more from the commercial end.
 
I mentioned this at the time, after I had a chat with an old friend who is a legal grower. He talked about his connections to some of the big labs and his experiences. He talked about the many thousands of plants that are culled through genetic testing before reducing the test pool to a small number of potential stars which are then grown out and tested.

These programs can do in months what it would take an old school chucker multiple lifetimes to do.

After that conversation, any thoughts I had of possibly monetizing seeds ended. This isn't the old days where you compete with peers. Now the money game is being taken over by the Dows and Duponts and Cargills.

That doesn't affect my love of growing or my intention to continue, it just separates me that much more from the commercial end.
Bump this⬆️ No reason to square up with huge line breeding ops, but no reason to stop making life.
 
Lucrative not so much any more…I too have graced the 3000 to 8000 plant greenhouses were they make 1 or 2 selections for a mother plant…that’s hard or even impossible to replicate at home…I can look through 3000 seedlings but not 3000 mature budded out plants with backup cuts…

So the only angle for a home grower/breeder IMO is try your best to not be motivated by money, clout.

See what plants jump out at you and what plants you are attracted to.

Overtime there will be a separation of commercial to mom and pop/boutique breeder end results just do to commercial needing harvest weight and bag appeal and boutique finding the suttle unique plants that the world will love because greed passed it by.
 
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LG/

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Ok here are my thoughts. I'll preface it by saying I'm a nobody compared to alot of folks on here who have put it some serious work. I dont mean that disparagingly towards myself, but as a compliment to all you folks on here.
So let's say those people hunt thousands to find keepers. Half or maybe a quarter of the time they use them to make seed lines or sell the cuts. Nowadays things get around much more than In the past.
So you can get the cut or seeds and start with a pretty good selection from their work, and build on that.
Now money in the breeding game is alot of hype and marketing, imho... breeders are like cults, you need a committed loyal following.
But I think it's evidence on this forum that small scale folks can do great things, rivaling the thousands of plant hunts.
Part of my theory is I want to work things that breed true or have good results (obviously). I don't want to have to go through 20 girls to find one with the traits, I want it to be dominant. There are exceptions with variation. Sometimes it's nice to open up a line and see what's there.

There are alot of lines that are like this, breed true to the original traits. Sowahh for instance, very homogenous and consistent. I did a seed increase and it kept the good traits. Is this technically breeding? Prob not. Maybe chucking. But still, worthwhile. I bought one 150 pack and now will never have to buy it again, within reason. I'm sure Karma is doing fine without more of my money, but I do have respect for him.

Even if a strain has alot of variation, like my Dl chuck that puts out consistent fire just different types of plants... All great. But I built that on the back (or shoulders of giants as is the cliche in the game) of Homegrown Natural Wonders and Heroes of the Farm. Both of them also used others work, Jordan of the Islands old stock for instance (his new gear is different, I think he lost his cuts... ask me why for details).

Anyways, keep chucking and breeding folks. I appreciate all of you. I'll gladly run anyone on here's gear if it peaks my interest and you say your willing to part with some. If you see anything I'm doing you would like just ask. Or old stuff I did I'll dig in the fridge and see what I have.
 

Psychobilly

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I feel a need to point out something for this thread that, really, should give a glimmer of hope to everyone who sees the multi-million dollar operations, and thinks "There's no way I could ever compete with that!".... Yes, you can:

This is a true story, starting out in 1968, at Bell Labs in NJ. Two guys who wanted to play video games at work, took an old computer no longer in use, and ended up writing an Operating System for this old already out dated Computer. That would be Ken Thompson, and Dennis Ritchie. What they ended up with, would eventually be called "Unix".

AT&T was actually a bigger company back then, than even now. They were considered a true giant of tech. Their Unix creation, made it's way to UC Berkeley. Kirk McKusick, and Bill Joy were both attending school there, and they got ahold of this Unix system, and loved it. They stared changing it, and adding features, and their own ideas. Of course, being in the Hacker Community, they wanted to give away what they did. So they did. the only problem, was that you needed what is called a "Source License" from AT&T for Unix, which cost something like 100,000.00 back then.

Lawyers eventually got involved, because people would call up Bill Joy personally, and ask for the "BSD Tapes" (Software at the time was distributed on Tapes for a Tape Drive) and Bill would ask simply "You have a Source License right?" the caller would say yes, he'd hang up, and send it out. The Lawyers felt this "wasn't quite rigorous enough" and eventually, AT&T went after UC Berkeley.

The code written by AT&T had been changed so much, and updated, and features added to it, that they felt they could just remove the parts left from AT&T and rewrite whatever they needed to to make it work.

AT&T tried personal attacks on the guys at Berkeley, and it did NOT end well. Eventually the Judge decided Berkeley was in the right, and had rewritten enough that it no longer matter. To humiliate AT&T, Berkeley made them pay for their advertising in Computer Magazines of the day, full page ads.

The next part of this, is when the DOD wanted to design what would be known as "ARPANET" which was the precursor to the Internet. Again UC Berkeley was involved. With BSD of course. BBN was a huge multi million dollar company that made networking equipment, and the guys at Berkeley thought "This design is stupid...We can do better" and they did. Eventually, TCP/IP was included with the BSD releases, free of charge of course.

When the DOD looked at what the BSD version could do, they themselves ended up choosing BSD TCP/IP over the huge contract they paid for with BBN. We still use this software TODAY.

Bill Joy went on to help found Sun Microsystems. Kirk is still a member of the FreeBSD core team.

What does this have to do with this thread? Well, a college student in Helsinki was using a "Unix Like" system at the time. BSD was tied up in legal troubles with AT&T so that wasn't an option at the time. He decided he would write his own Operating System to work like Unix too, and from his college, he wrote the Linux Kernel.

No money, no millions of dollars at his disposal, none of it. Today, BSD and Linux run MOST of the Internet. Stuff written by college kids on acid. We still use it today and no one can fuck with them. They didn't have a huge lab to play with, or thousands of computers to test on, they sent it out, and allowed the Hacker Community to have source code, and make changes to it, and distribute it too.

My point is, even Apple started in a garage (by people who attended UC Berkeley of course) and they invented a "Personal Computer" that didn't require an AC room to house it. None of these inventions came from millions of dollars. They came from passion. And a lot of intelligence in what they were doing.

You don't have a Lab full of equipment to test out 1200 females ? You don't have a grow facility the size of a small village ? So what, neither did they people who have changed our world forever.

You don't need to "compete" with million dollar labs and selections, you need to be passionate about what you do, and how you do it. The Internet is still here, still running on the same stuff written back in the 70s in college campus, by "amateurs" who could barely afford tuition.
 
Ok here are my thoughts. I'll preface it by saying I'm a nobody compared to alot of folks on here who have put it some serious work. I dont mean that disparagingly towards myself, but as a compliment to all you folks on here.
So let's say those people hunt thousands to find keepers. Half or maybe a quarter of the time they use them to make seed lines or sell the cuts. Nowadays things get around much more than In the past.
So you can get the cut or seeds and start with a pretty good selection from their work, and build on that.
Now money in the breeding game is alot of hype and marketing, imho... breeders are like cults, you need a committed loyal following.
But I think it's evidence on this forum that small scale folks can do great things, rivaling the thousands of plant hunts.
Part of my theory is I want to work things that breed true or have good results (obviously). I don't want to have to go through 20 girls to find one with the traits, I want it to be dominant. There are exceptions with variation. Sometimes it's nice to open up a line and see what's there.

There are alot of lines that are like this, breed true to the original traits. Sowahh for instance, very homogenous and consistent. I did a seed increase and it kept the good traits. Is this technically breeding? Prob not. Maybe chucking. But still, worthwhile. I bought one 150 pack and now will never have to buy it again, within reason. I'm sure Karma is doing fine without more of my money, but I do have respect for him.

Even if a strain has alot of variation, like my Dl chuck that puts out consistent fire just different types of plants... All great. But I built that on the back (or shoulders of giants as is the cliche in the game) of Homegrown Natural Wonders and Heroes of the Farm. Both of them also used others work, Jordan of the Islands old stock for instance (his new gear is different, I think he lost his cuts... ask me why for details).

Anyways, keep chucking and breeding folks. I appreciate all of you. I'll gladly run anyone on here's gear if it peaks my interest and you say your willing to part with some. If you see anything I'm doing you would like just ask. Or old stuff I did I'll dig in the fridge and see what I have.
Karma has an interesting thought process. He claims he needs less than 20 seeds to find a single keeper in his genetics, specifically I think he quoted a ten pack as ample selection pool for him. Pretty impressive, how he has made josh d og and several other killers.

I never wanted to even try selling seeds in first place. Just making specific meds for myself and others, mainly myself. When my state when rec recently my fam pushed me along, cuz why not. I’ve graced many larger ops, and worked a small number with others. Guess the main takeway for me has been this… as with flower and other things, quality control is much easier small scale. But marketing your gear requires a shit ton of snazz factor, especially without seed banks ripping you off or (other) forums and their extortion schemes.

I respect heads like verdant green back in the day with his nano tents, making gold out of absolutely nothing. But that look is about as unpopular as can be nowadays. I could post pics of my three apartment tents all day and shoo business away faster than gaining any.

My neighbor is a prime example of this. “Genius” on the subject of growing, pot in general, and so on. Without any reference points at all, minus photo hype and marketing glitz, these younger gens have it all figured out. Meaning not at all.

Good thread for sure. Nice to vent sometimes. Peace ☮️
 
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