Captain Sternn
In Bloom
When I got them out for the pic there was a second when I thought I'd have the exact year, they were in a cigarette pack cellophane, so tax stamp. Most of the stamp had flaked off lol.
Old seeds
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whiteravenseeds
In Bloom
was checking to see if anyone already posted this. but a germination "bomb" might be your ticket if you havent popped em already. i stole the pics since i tossed mine a while ago, but it does work, perhaps too well.
you need-
standard size mason jar, w/lid gasket and ring
1/4" ish drill bit (size of air hose)
air hose, air pump, check valve & air stone
superthrive (i know its gross. can be swapped out for a similar B1 nute)
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punch/drill a hole in the lid, without hurting yourself or destroying the jar
run the air hose down inside jar until it reaches the bottom
connect air stone
put a glob of hot glue where air hose hits lid
put 5-10 drops of superthrive (or similar B1 nute) inside
fill with tap water
hook up hose to air pump, and use a check valve!
close tightly
fire it up. the seed shells should all open no problem. if anything its a little too effective. 24 hours should be more than enough time in the machine to achieve some result. the original recipe called for traditional sowing on warm soil layer once the shells are busted off. tbh if you see tails, plant em. if you have curled up naked babies, i'd go with the warm soil sow.
could also try changing up the nutes with sweeteners (i.e. molasses based flower finishers) as well. think that covers it, clean heist. i'm a ghost ghost ghost....
~dn
you need-
standard size mason jar, w/lid gasket and ring
1/4" ish drill bit (size of air hose)
air hose, air pump, check valve & air stone
superthrive (i know its gross. can be swapped out for a similar B1 nute)
-
punch/drill a hole in the lid, without hurting yourself or destroying the jar
run the air hose down inside jar until it reaches the bottom
connect air stone
put a glob of hot glue where air hose hits lid
put 5-10 drops of superthrive (or similar B1 nute) inside
fill with tap water
hook up hose to air pump, and use a check valve!
close tightly
fire it up. the seed shells should all open no problem. if anything its a little too effective. 24 hours should be more than enough time in the machine to achieve some result. the original recipe called for traditional sowing on warm soil layer once the shells are busted off. tbh if you see tails, plant em. if you have curled up naked babies, i'd go with the warm soil sow.
could also try changing up the nutes with sweeteners (i.e. molasses based flower finishers) as well. think that covers it, clean heist. i'm a ghost ghost ghost....
~dn
Captain Sternn
In Bloom
Thank you for throwing that on the table. I won't actually do anything with them until next spring, I couldn't finish them this year. LOL I'm going to confess it crossed my mind reading that, it sort of resembles seed implosion and I saw myself putting an Oceangate label on the jar so if they die it's perfectly understandable.
OldG
Elite Hobbyist
a few drops of peroxide and some humic really help with sprouting in general. But the humic makes it tricky to see if the seeds are really in there...
Captain Sternn
In Bloom
I wonder if this is why some people might use the gibberellic acid I'm not sure if it would be any better in that aspect or not.
Kind024
In Bloom
I pasted this from the net. There are many scholarly articles available with loads of information about the effects of GA3 (gibberallic acid) in plants.
"Gibberellic acid has many effects regulating various physiological processes, including seed germination, the mobilization of endo-sperm storage reserves, shoot growth, flowering, floral development and fruit set."
I'm not an expert on seeds, germination of seeds or the degradation process seeds experience throughout the different storage methods.
From my experience... I've used GA3 (gibberallic acid) and a mixture with potassium nitrate, aka saltpeter. During germination GA3 helps with cell elongation in the development of the radical. Potassium nitrate helps soften the seed coat. You can purchase a mixer of this from Seeds n Such for $7 or so.
When GA3/saltpeter was used on fresh healthy seeds they didn't do well. They shot up 7"-8" before shedding their coat. Many fell over and started dying.
There were some old seeds that I was attempting to germinate in a water soaked paper towel. After a week or so only a couple seeds split but basically stopped developing. I mixed up the GA3/saltpeter solution and poured it over the seeds in the paper towel. Let it set for 15 minutes or so and drained it off. The result were amazing. The next day or shortly after most of the seeds came alive and started growing normally.
From my understanding humic acid has a very low molecular weight. Allowing it to bypass the protein regulators in the cell walls to enter plant. Bringing with it small amounts of nutrients. In turn helping with root growth and nutrient uptake. This is why it works well in foliar sprays.
Seeds are loaded with enzymes which degrade over time. Enzymes are catalysts for biochemical reactions in soil. Microbes use enzymes to do more work while using less energy.
My personal thoughts... Seeds have a specific ratio of enzymes depending on which microbes its trying to stimulate in the rhizosphere. Different needs for different seeds.
Going back to a previous post by @MacGydro about using quality compost for germinating old seeds. Quality compost, EWC or humic material has loads of active enzymes, a balanced amount of humic acid and a healthy, diverse micro herd. Maybe that is why the seeds responded so well?
@whiteravenseeds posted up a cool aerated jar germination method. Never tried it. But it makes sense. Thanks for sharing!
All the above is food for thought. I could go on but my daughter is visiting from out of state so every moment with her is precious.
Be well and best of fortune to all for germinating those old seeds!
"Gibberellic acid has many effects regulating various physiological processes, including seed germination, the mobilization of endo-sperm storage reserves, shoot growth, flowering, floral development and fruit set."
I'm not an expert on seeds, germination of seeds or the degradation process seeds experience throughout the different storage methods.
From my experience... I've used GA3 (gibberallic acid) and a mixture with potassium nitrate, aka saltpeter. During germination GA3 helps with cell elongation in the development of the radical. Potassium nitrate helps soften the seed coat. You can purchase a mixer of this from Seeds n Such for $7 or so.
When GA3/saltpeter was used on fresh healthy seeds they didn't do well. They shot up 7"-8" before shedding their coat. Many fell over and started dying.
There were some old seeds that I was attempting to germinate in a water soaked paper towel. After a week or so only a couple seeds split but basically stopped developing. I mixed up the GA3/saltpeter solution and poured it over the seeds in the paper towel. Let it set for 15 minutes or so and drained it off. The result were amazing. The next day or shortly after most of the seeds came alive and started growing normally.
From my understanding humic acid has a very low molecular weight. Allowing it to bypass the protein regulators in the cell walls to enter plant. Bringing with it small amounts of nutrients. In turn helping with root growth and nutrient uptake. This is why it works well in foliar sprays.
Seeds are loaded with enzymes which degrade over time. Enzymes are catalysts for biochemical reactions in soil. Microbes use enzymes to do more work while using less energy.
My personal thoughts... Seeds have a specific ratio of enzymes depending on which microbes its trying to stimulate in the rhizosphere. Different needs for different seeds.
Going back to a previous post by @MacGydro about using quality compost for germinating old seeds. Quality compost, EWC or humic material has loads of active enzymes, a balanced amount of humic acid and a healthy, diverse micro herd. Maybe that is why the seeds responded so well?
@whiteravenseeds posted up a cool aerated jar germination method. Never tried it. But it makes sense. Thanks for sharing!
All the above is food for thought. I could go on but my daughter is visiting from out of state so every moment with her is precious.
Be well and best of fortune to all for germinating those old seeds!
Rozgreenburn
"The Philosopher, is Stoned"
Oy, have you tried those older beans yet? You've got me curious.
Captain Sternn
In Bloom
I have not. If it's me that goes at them it would be like January. All I do indoors is germ and get them going. If any of them took I could keep them going until they can go outdoors. Seeds more likel;y to pop I wouldn't start on until early or mid March but these guys may take some time.
It has also occurred to me that someone with a broader knowledge base would be a better choice for evaluating whatever might come of it if any of them popped. Maybe someone who does reversal if that should become necessary. So I'm open to the idea of sending them out to someone better able to tell if it's worthy of working to preserve. And I would have no problems if it went nowhere, not after how they were kept by me.
Z71banshee
In Bloom
There are some very interesting tactics here that I will try. @whiteravenseeds jar method has my interest! Very good reads in this thread.
Captain Sternn
In Bloom
I thought the same thing. I no longer have these seeds, sent them off to another member who is currently trying to pop them.
