Triploids and breeding?

I'm curious if anyone here has bred with triploids and what's the concensus on it... I've seen some yt vids on hermies as a result of breeding with triploids... I'm currently working on my own triploid breeding project an was wondering if anyone here has any input on the subject?.
I've had crosses that have produced a bunch but never bred w one . No reason in particular it just didn't present itself but if the right phenotype popped up , I would use one.
 
I've had crosses that have produced a bunch but never bred w one . No reason in particular it just didn't present itself but if the right phenotype popped up , I would use one.
I didn't grow last outdoor season.. but the season before I did.. and I used a triploid male for my pollen sorce.. this year I popped 7 seeds of the cross I used it on, and got one triploid sprout out of seven seeds.. which only six popped.. I'm hoping it's a male (this triploid sprout) so I can use it on the offspring from that prognigy... does this make since?
 
Fellow connoisseurs and chuckers/breeders,, I've been growing cannabis for 29 years.. but I've never tried breeding with triploids .. I learn of the hardy weinberg law of breeding equilibrium back in 06' .. but never implemented it until 2009-14.. with afghan landrace crossed with Iranian short season(the real true short season, not auto) just to hold early flowering genetics that were cloneable.. I moved on to basically trying to find the holy grail(the best)with crosses and polyhybrids.. but found myself doubling back these last few years.. only because I want the holy grail with stability..

I've been smoking heavy and drinking abit so I apologize if I sound abit tarded..
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Youtube is BLOWING UP over triploid herm talk. It's crazy. Most if not all of the chatter is isolated to the HSC Donutz triploid, it's been specified no herms have been observed on the HSC OG triploid.

My 2 cents ---- and some backlash occurred because of this: literally ALL the content creators started touting this like it was the new Holy Grail thing for indoor growers to fuck with, so naturally, tons of people hopped on board. . .. HSC was "less than forthcoming" about the real length of testing prior to release. Oh AND, Nat said something interesting in the live feed he and Ben did, he mentioned that (not verbatim) "even though the pollen of diploids can still pollinate the polyploid, it's very possible that the polyploid may be sterile against itself", i.e. if it nanners or herms it shouldn't affect the final outcome. And I think everyone chopped down their herms before it could be found to be true or not. I doubt anyone caught that comment, because they were so caught-up on what a poor overall spokesman he is 🤷‍♂️
 
Youtube is BLOWING UP over triploid herm talk. It's crazy. Most if not all of the chatter is isolated to the HSC Donutz triploid, it's been specified no herms have been observed on the HSC OG triploid.

My 2 cents ---- and some backlash occurred because of this: literally ALL the content creators started touting this like it was the new Holy Grail thing for indoor growers to fuck with, so naturally, tons of people hopped on board. . .. HSC was "less than forthcoming" about the real length of testing prior to release. Oh AND, Nat said something interesting in the live feed he and Ben did, he mentioned that (not verbatim) "even though the pollen of diploids can still pollinate the polyploid, it's very possible that the polyploid may be sterile against itself", i.e. if it nanners or herms it shouldn't affect the final outcome. And I think everyone chopped down their herms before it could be found to be true or not. I doubt anyone caught that comment, because they were so caught-up on what a poor overall spokesman he is 🤷‍♂️
I seen a couple vids just recently on this topic with triploid herms..
 
sweet bananas vs plantains


How many bananas are consumed annually compared to plantains:

The United States consumes 6.4 billion pounds of bananas annually, which is more than plantains. In 2023, the US imported 4.65 billion kilograms of plantains, which is a 0.84% increase from the previous year.

average cost of bananas per pound:

As of April 2024, the average price of a pound of bananas in the United States was 63 cents, which is a slight increase from the previous year. However, prices have been around 58 cents for the past seven years. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average competitive price of bananas is 57 cents per pound


6.4B x .63cents= 4.03 billion dollars US

IMO This will be the new frontier of the "cannabis industry".

I've only dipped a toe into understanding Tripodity but from what I gather it isn't something to be done in a small grow room it takes lab-level equipment to confirm the chromosomes. Unless I missing something?

triploid breeding project

Have you come up with a plan of attack? Curious about doing something like that myself. Or at least I was before I saw that a cytometer cost $25k :LOL: and realized I'd have to sift through 100's if not thousands of mutants to find something worthwhile. Most mutants I have come across are shitty in some way (deformed, slow, won't germ or flat-out die). No ones winning POTM with

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and the so-called sterility of the males makes breeding with them absolutely hard.


All that took the wind out of my sails. But don't get me wrong you could find a cut that could be distributed into the world that its abnormality is super high THC and that alone makes it worth the hustle.
 

Feeling gouty @Buck5050 ?

I have some triploid hemp going now. Did a couple high thc recently too. Not convinced it increases cannabinoids. Haven't fully tested out the seedless part yet but as I understand triploid + diploid = diploid.
 
Feeling gouty @Buck5050 ?
Well, I did have chicken pox. No wait, that's shingles. :LOL:

triploid + diploid = diploid.
I believe I read that somewhere as well.

"These findings suggest that colchicine-induced tetraploid females are important genetic resources for less-seeded fruit production. The genetic stability of tetraploid clones can easily and effectively be maintained by vine cutting for advanced uses."

The original post was about breeding with and not creating tetraploids that's where I'm getting mixed up.
 
that's where I'm getting mixed up.
I guess I am looking at it like a chicken/egg thing. I wasn't clear on how the op knew they had a triploid male. To my knowledge the only triploids released have been fems. So reversing a triploid or using "herm" pollen or making your own??

I think we are pretty close to tapped out on maximizing cannabinoids produced by a cannabis plant.

My thought is if the capacity to produce a cannabinoid is within a plant then it has the ability to pass that on regardless if its diploid/polyploid. Maybe this is an opportunity to customize profiles, mix up terpene cassettes?

I was wary of fems now I'm thinking about reversing a triploid. 😆
 
think we are pretty close to tapped out on maximizing cannabinoids produced by a cannabis plant.
I'm in the complete opposite train of thought. Here's an example asking google AI:

Classic "red delicious" apple can you grow it from seed?

It is possible to grow an apple tree from an apple seed. However, in most cases, apple trees don't come true from seeds. For example, a seed taken from a Red Delicious apple will not produce a Red Delicious apple tree. Seedling apple trees are genetically different and usually inferior to the parent tree.

For me, it isn't as much about new breeding opportunities as it is about finding something new through genetic mutations. If the mutation has a positive trait for consumers then you isolate it and clone it.
 
I'm in the complete opposite train of thought. Here's an example asking google AI:

Classic "red delicious" apple can you grow it from seed?

It is possible to grow an apple tree from an apple seed. However, in most cases, apple trees don't come true from seeds. For example, a seed taken from a Red Delicious apple will not produce a Red Delicious apple tree. Seedling apple trees are genetically different and usually inferior to the parent tree.

For me, it isn't as much about new breeding opportunities as it is about finding something new through genetic mutations. If the mutation has a positive trait for consumers then you isolate it and clone it.
Interesting. Thanks for sending me on a mini-dive on red delicious apples. It reinforces my stance on plant patents. It looks like a white label free for all with the claimed/patented mutations. I'm more in line with choosing regional assecions for selection and naming criteria for cannabis. Though I'm not sure how to apply that to indoor.

I wanna know what you think the limit is for %cannabioid in smokeable flower but also don't wanna push too far off track.

Sorry for the diversion @farmerfischer
 

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