Uv supplement for led grows?

thenotsoesoteric

American Ninja
What are y'alls thought on uv supplemental lighting for running leds? I know its been discussed plenty but I figured I'd beat a dead horse. Gonna be running hlg 260 diy kits and I've only ran them for one cycle with a twinkle tarts cut in soil last year. Smoke came out fine but I went back to cmh after that plant.

Should I get a uv bar for the boost in terps? Or is that just chatter in online articles. And if I should get uv supplemental light a reptile bulb or led bar?

Whats the thoughts out there? Cheers
 
What are y'alls thought on uv supplemental lighting for running leds? I know its been discussed plenty but I figured I'd beat a dead horse. Gonna be running hlg 260 diy kits and I've only ran them for one cycle with a twinkle tarts cut in soil last year. Smoke came out fine but I went back to cmh after that plant.

Should I get a uv bar for the boost in terps? Or is that just chatter in online articles. And if I should get uv supplemental light a reptile bulb or led bar?

Whats the thoughts out there? Cheers

I think theres more advantages to added UV than there are disadvantages when used correctly. I ran (1) 4' Agromax "Pure UV" in addition to each 1KW HPS and soon after my 400W COB leds. At the time I did it, I was in a room where I had fought PM due to the room being unfinished but I do believe it may have aided in flavor and possibly keeping the PM in check til the room got finished. Was it enough to keep me running it after I moved grows and the PM issues went away...no.
 
I think theres more advantages to added UV than there are disadvantages when used correctly. I ran (1) 4' Agromax "Pure UV" in addition to each 1KW HPS and soon after my 400W COB leds. At the time I did it, I was in a room where I had fought PM due to the room being unfinished but I do believe it may have aided in flavor and possibly keeping the PM in check til the room got finished. Was it enough to keep me running it after I moved grows and the PM issues went away...no.
Cool cool. The 1 tarts i finished under just the quantum boards tasted and looked same as it did under the cmh for what I can remember so I figured the benefit of uv was minimal.

Im gonna run 2 2x4 tents each powered by 1 hlg 260 in each so was just curious but I think ill wait on any experiments with uv.

Cheers man and thanks for the info.
 
Just did a run with added uvb. California lightworks 2' florescent. I think uv supplementation purples the plants up and make for photogenic girls. I ran mine 18" with the leds. Most recommend having the uv light source farther away like 32". I had a cool mutation on a useful chemd x boo I attribute to the uvb supplementation. Let me see if I can find a pick. I am not using the uvb this run as I think it makes the final Buds darker than normal. I prefer my stash lime green. I was doing 20 min/hour for 4 hours around mid day. Nothing scientific just my personal observations. I would say it increased tricome coverage imo.
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Cobs copper candy w added uvb.
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Chem d x boo w added uvb.
 
thing is if you haven’t invested in crazy amount of time and effort and cash to make a near perfect enviroment and also good genetics and your process and cure is also dialed ( so what if you get your extra terps if you destroy majority by bad process and cure protocol ) uva or b (exp b cause it cna do so much harm ) shouldn’t be on top of your “to-do’s” till you got that dialed. Not only is uvb selected just like high ppfd on actually working without trial of your strains and knowing what they look and end result of using and without and knowing your enviroment limits , just like nutes demands.


if you do know your plants demands and your enviroment is on and so forth, than sure add uva/b and do trials cause exp with uvb it’s so easy to fry and do negative than that small % you gain, my views is it worth it to most hobbyist and rely on their yeilds vs 10000’s of lights for commercial level and trialing in small scale of their room or testing lab after they show their enviroment my view would be heck yes I would def recommend for them .

sure there’s many people that show fire from adding uva or b for extra spectrum and added trich but do many post their failures on modern day social media like that? Call me a negative Nancy but Inless your talking to people that sells these bars almost all the reps for led’s and grow room advisor would say the same like I am Inless they are trying to sell you uva/b “improvements”. Hell timber and hlg both told me when asked about uva and b it wasn’t worth it and it’s a last thing to add if you got everything else dialed in.

it wasn’t intill I invested god knows amounts into a sealed and reconstructed room for growing and highest tech led’s and misc and running them multple rounds and genetic selection that liked higher ppfd and higher nutes intakes I ever was wanting to do even uva add on cause I have seen from friends that are LP when doing trials from small amounts to max amounts get fried or don’t help to show to add to every 4x4.

‘’my conclusion for now is yes uva is fine after everything else and it is a good add on that the lights lack , but I honestly think Inless you are monocropping your crops genetics based on ur room that demand snd such ( thing is I had many hps loving pheno’s or outdoor and than when I switched to leds they became haters and i couldn’t ever get the same quality vs choosing proper genetics ). All your doing is jumping down the rabbit hole or damaging your end result with Uvb Inless your willing to risk and learn the timings of the plants limits , hints why commerical can do it in small scale to them and see if it’s worth it and have less failure or damage done.

my test as of now is (4) of my 4x4’s or 2 4x8’s rows have uva on them, like to test before investing in whole room upgrades and Claiming that was what made my quality
 
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thing is if you haven’t invested in crazy amount of time and effort and cash to make a near perfect enviroment and also good genetics and your process and cure is also dialed ( so what if you get your extra terps if you destroy majority by bad process and cure protocol ) uva or b (exp b cause it cna do so much harm ) shouldn’t be on top of your “to-do’s” till you got that dialed. Not only is uvb selected just like high ppfd on actually working without trial of your strains and knowing what they look and end result of using and without and knowing your enviroment limits , just like nutes demands.


if you do know your plants demands and your enviroment is on and so forth, than sure add uva/b and do trials cause exp with uvb it’s so easy to fry and do negative than that small % you gain, my views is it worth it to most hobbyist and rely on their yeilds vs 10000’s of lights for commercial level and trialing in small scale of their room or testing lab after they show their enviroment my view would be heck yes I would def recommend for them .

sure there’s many people that show fire from adding uva or b for extra spectrum and added trich but do many post their failures on modern day social media like that? Call me a negative Nancy but Inless your talking to people that sells these bars almost all the reps for led’s and grow room advisor would say the same like I am Inless they are trying to sell you uva/b “improvements”. Hell timber and hlg both told me when asked about uva and b it wasn’t worth it and it’s a last thing to add if you got everything else dialed in.

it wasn’t intill I invested god knows amounts into a sealed and reconstructed room for growing and highest tech led’s and misc and running them multple rounds and genetic selection that liked higher ppfd and higher nutes intakes I ever was wanting to do even uva add on cause I have seen from friends that are LP when doing trials from small amounts to max amounts get fried or don’t help to show to add to every 4x4.

‘’my conclusion for now is yes uva is fine after everything else and it is a good add on that the lights lack , but I honestly think Inless you are monocropping your crops know ur room, genetics that demand such. All your doing is jumping down the rabbit hole or damaging your end result
Agree to a certain extent. Did some cool things to the plants and did things I didn't like such as darkening the buds. It's always fun to push it and experiment. That being said this run no plans to use the uvb light.
 
My personal experience is positive with adding UV into the spectrum (with on/off switch in a best case scenario), but either way I think I prefer to have UV diodes built into my actual panels, rather than running a seperate fixture with UV-B bulbs. Even if this goes against the general consensus.

I have been experimenting with a Florescent UV Bulb, sent to me by Migro to supplement my panels. I am having a hard time finding the perfect distance and timing without burning my plants.

However, my Kingbrite LED quantum bars, with LG UV diodes pre-installed are producing great results. There is most certainly a drop off in quality, than just running my boards without UV.
 
My personal experience is positive with adding UV into the spectrum (with on/off switch in a best case scenario), but either way I think I prefer to have UV diodes built into my actual panels, rather than running a seperate fixture with UV-B bulbs. Even if this goes against the general consensus.

I have been experimenting with a Florescent UV Bulb, sent to me by Migro to supplement my panels. I am having a hard time finding the perfect distance and timing without burning my plants.

However, my Kingbrite LED quantum bars, with LG UV diodes pre-installed are producing great results. There is most certainly a drop off in quality, than just running my boards without UV.
Does the Migro bulb you use produce UV A & B?
 
MANY LED'S HAVE (QB'S and LED'S) but understand that UV is best used the last two week of flower for INCREASES IN TERPENS AND ESSENTIAL OILS ALSO USUING A JUST "BLUE" SPECTRUM BORAD THE LAST TWO WEEKS BEFORE HARVEST DOES THE SAME A PLANT NEED DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF uv THRU IT'S CYCLE - BUT UNDERSTAND TO BE USED SPARENTLY
 
The most recent light I bought enfun ef2000, samsung 301 diodes with meanwell driver. It has ir 750nm and uv 400 nm built in. But I dont think they are on in veg. It does make since why to use, trichomes are protection for the plant so the harsher the light the more it will produce trichs right? I tend to see people only use a uv bulb a few hours a day, but when its built in it's on during all lights on. I'm assuming the built in ones tend to be weaker then a straight uv bulb for like a reptile.
 
Ok so thought I would go over uva and uvb supplemental lighting, first of all anyone who is looking to buy supplemental uv, a or b , know what you are buying and how much you need per sq ft to be effective. Led lights with built in UVA lighting ( not seperate supplemental bars) are worthless, they are usually 395 or 400 nm , not to say that's not a good spectrum , there is just not enough diodes to do anything beneficial. For UVA look for a mix of 365 and 395 or 400nm. These are not easy to find, I had to order mine from China, could have easily gotten 395nm from Amazon but the 365 is where uva secondary metabolites shine. Also you need at least 3 watts per square ft of UVA. So a 4x4 would need 48 watts of Uva . UVA will not increase THC or defensive trichome production. It will however , in sufficient supply increase secondary metabolites, hence terpenes. Uvb is a different animal, it is where you run into stress related trichome production, leading to increased THC. It is also the quickest way to fry your plants. Look for 285 to 310nm spectrum. Led uvb are not good yet, they lack the technology necessary to produce consistent light under 310nm, even the newest from Mammoth, which arguably is the best company for cutting edge led cannabis lighting technology that claim true uvb spectrum are sketchy. Look for t5 ho 54 watt flourescents 41 inch bulbs. The bulbs are made for reptiles and come in assorted strengths from 3 percent uvb to 14 percent uvb. They are all real uvb spectrum consistently in the 285 to 300nm range. Agromax has a pure uv t5 bulb which is 75 percent uvb and 25 percent uva, but thats the mix percentage of the bulbs they don't mention the actual uvb percentage based on total watts, same as the migro bulbs. I own them now and am hoping that with 54 total watts that its 40 watts uvb and 14 watts 395 uva. I also have 2 t5 14 percent uvb dragon lights that are also 54 watts and of course have 7.5 watts of uvb per bulb. In difference to uva, with uvb it is necessary to have .3 to a half watt per sq ft. for prime efficacy. The problem with the uvb fixtures are they are usually only used as 1 light per 4x4 or 5x5 in the middle of the primary led light, this creates uneven coverage unless your manually moving every two to three days in different parts of the canopy. I spent a lot of money on uva and b, but only after many hours of research. Also Uvb should only be used during "high noon " scheduling for 2 hrs max the last 2 or 3 weeks of flower. I am using 4 54 watt t5 per table (9x4.5) and (10x4.5) so 8 lights total for both beds at a pulse schedule ,30 min on and 1.5 hr off schedule starting at 1 hr total uvb time for week 7 and finishing at 2 hrs total time week 8 or 9.I think for the money there are a lot better things to buy than UV, such as a/c , dehumidifiers, quality fans and other equipment to get your environmental vpd , dew point, and air flow in check. And of course the cheapest and most beneficial attribute you can buy CO2. I wont grow without it!!
 
Forgot to mention Uva can start at week 4 through harvest starting at 2 hrs up to 10 depending on plant genetics, height of lights, wattage etc.
 
Ok so thought I would go over uva and uvb supplemental lighting, first of all anyone who is looking to buy supplemental uv, a or b , know what you are buying and how much you need per sq ft to be effective. Led lights with built in UVA lighting ( not seperate supplemental bars) are worthless, they are usually 395 or 400 nm , not to say that's not a good spectrum , there is just not enough diodes to do anything beneficial. For UVA look for a mix of 365 and 395 or 400nm. These are not easy to find, I had to order mine from China, could have easily gotten 395nm from Amazon but the 365 is where uva secondary metabolites shine. Also you need at least 3 watts per square ft of UVA. So a 4x4 would need 48 watts of Uva . UVA will not increase THC or defensive trichome production. It will however , in sufficient supply increase secondary metabolites, hence terpenes. Uvb is a different animal, it is where you run into stress related trichome production, leading to increased THC. It is also the quickest way to fry your plants. Look for 285 to 310nm spectrum. Led uvb are not good yet, they lack the technology necessary to produce consistent light under 310nm, even the newest from Mammoth, which arguably is the best company for cutting edge led cannabis lighting technology that claim true uvb spectrum are sketchy. Look for t5 ho 54 watt flourescents 41 inch bulbs. The bulbs are made for reptiles and come in assorted strengths from 3 percent uvb to 14 percent uvb. They are all real uvb spectrum consistently in the 285 to 300nm range. Agromax has a pure uv t5 bulb which is 75 percent uvb and 25 percent uva, but thats the mix percentage of the bulbs they don't mention the actual uvb percentage based on total watts, same as the migro bulbs. I own them now and am hoping that with 54 total watts that its 40 watts uvb and 14 watts 395 uva. I also have 2 t5 14 percent uvb dragon lights that are also 54 watts and of course have 7.5 watts of uvb per bulb. In difference to uva, with uvb it is necessary to have .3 to a half watt per sq ft. for prime efficacy. The problem with the uvb fixtures are they are usually only used as 1 light per 4x4 or 5x5 in the middle of the primary led light, this creates uneven coverage unless your manually moving every two to three days in different parts of the canopy. I spent a lot of money on uva and b, but only after many hours of research. Also Uvb should only be used during "high noon " scheduling for 2 hrs max the last 2 or 3 weeks of flower. I am using 4 54 watt t5 per table (9x4.5) and (10x4.5) so 8 lights total for both beds at a pulse schedule ,30 min on and 1.5 hr off schedule starting at 1 hr total uvb time for week 7 and finishing at 2 hrs total time week 8 or 9.I think for the money there are a lot better things to buy than UV, such as a/c , dehumidifiers, quality fans and other equipment to get your environmental vpd , dew point, and air flow in check. And of course the cheapest and most beneficial attribute you can buy CO2. I wont grow without it!!
good information !! Also stay away from china light makers generally I use UV last few weeks before harvest What about sidelighting or undercanpoy lighting ?
 
good information !! Also stay away from china light makers generally I use UV last few weeks before harvest What about sidelighting or undercanpoy lighting ?
I use undercanopy 600 watts per table. Side lighting is something i haven't used, but makes total sense. My wattage needs to go up on undercanopy, might just scrap and turn into side lighting, have to try a table first to see difference, but have been thinking about it and designing layout, I run 8 rows long and 4 plants wide, so would need 8 ft worth on outside sides and 16 ft of inner side, back to back( each inner facing the two outers) seems it would work way better than undercanopy. The thing is all side and undercanopy lighting per watt kills your yield in comparison to top canopy, if space is available, much better to use that wattage on another top canopy table - tent than side or undercanopy lighting
 
I use undercanopy 600 watts per table. Side lighting is something i haven't used, but makes total sense. My wattage needs to go up on undercanopy, might just scrap and turn into side lighting, have to try a table first to see difference, but have been thinking about it and designing layout, I run 8 rows long and 4 plants wide, so would need 8 ft worth on outside sides and 16 ft of inner side, back to back( each inner facing the two outers) seems it would work way better than undercanopy. The thing is all side and undercanopy lighting per watt kills your yield in comparison to top canopy, if space is available, much better to use that wattage on another top canopy table - tent than side or undercanopy lighti
I use undercanopy 600 watts per table. Side lighting is something i haven't used, but makes total sense. My wattage needs to go up on undercanopy, might just scrap and turn into side lighting, have to try a table first to see difference, but have been thinking about it and designing layout, I run 8 rows long and 4 plants wide, so would need 8 ft worth on outside sides and 16 ft of inner side, back to back( each inner facing the two outers) seems it would work way better than undercanopy. The thing is all side and undercanopy lighting per watt kills your yield in comparison to top canopy, if space is available, much better to use that wattage on another top canopy table - tent than side or undercanopy lighting
What type of UV lighting and what spectrum and what wattage are you using
 
good information !! Also stay away from china light makers generally I use UV last few weeks before harvest What about sidelighting or undercanpoy lighting ?
There are very few American made light companies and those that are are so overpriced for same diodes, as long as you have whatever you consider a good diode( samsung lm301 b,h or evo, and good driver ) the rest is just wiring . Medic grow, mars, vivosun, ac infinity etc all Chinese made. If you buy American lights you are paying for customer service, expensive labor and bullshit marketing.
 

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