Anyone try this spray?
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DreamsOfDiesel
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I been using it, actually works great for me if I remember to spray weekly, I alternate between that 1 week & this the next week so critters dont develop a tolerance, using promix I always have few fungus gnats & I've had thrips & pm both early this year (I'm pretty sure I had mites too) so I started using these sprays & they do fine for me
DreamsOfDiesel
In Bloom
I've never used Jack's or oil so I cant compare them. I use peroxide on clones & seedlings & when they get moved to main veg they get these sprays until they go into flower, then I just cross my fingers & hope no problems in flower because I dont even spray water on anything after its 2-3 weeks into flower
DreamsOfDiesel
In Bloom
Started adding DE to pots when they go into flower recently, that seems to help quite a bit with heat & bug control
jpcyan2
In Bloom
I haven't tried that specific brand, but have used a couple others with the same ingredients or a variation of the same. I like it. It doesn't have the longest residual effect like some of the stronger insecticides. But it is effective when reapplied as needed. Smells nice too 
I'd like to try and replicate it through some simple extractions. Almost everything in it could be grown in the yard, or garden.
The Jack's (if it is the same as the liquid), is Spinosad. A bacterium and organic, safe product. I am a big fan after trying it a few times on outdoor plants such as tomatoes and hibiscus. It also takes multi applications as time goes on. Kicks ass though.
Keep the DE dry for it to be effective. Once it is wet, it softens and loses it "mechanical" control measure. Its a good tool in the arsenal, though I havent found it to be super effective as a stand alone product. It does work, just not for everything or 100% of the time. Super low toxicity so it hurts to add fresh, which is nice.
Good stuff @Frenzy and @DreamsOfDiesel. Many folks will be looking for options as summer goes on and the bugs start becoming more noticeable and problematic.
I'd like to try and replicate it through some simple extractions. Almost everything in it could be grown in the yard, or garden.
The Jack's (if it is the same as the liquid), is Spinosad. A bacterium and organic, safe product. I am a big fan after trying it a few times on outdoor plants such as tomatoes and hibiscus. It also takes multi applications as time goes on. Kicks ass though.
Keep the DE dry for it to be effective. Once it is wet, it softens and loses it "mechanical" control measure. Its a good tool in the arsenal, though I havent found it to be super effective as a stand alone product. It does work, just not for everything or 100% of the time. Super low toxicity so it hurts to add fresh, which is nice.
Good stuff @Frenzy and @DreamsOfDiesel. Many folks will be looking for options as summer goes on and the bugs start becoming more noticeable and problematic.
Fr3nzy
In Bloom
I bought me a big bag a couple weeks ago. Silly me, we sell 50lb bags at pool store for filters....
I haven't tried that specific brand, but have used a couple others with the same ingredients or a variation of the same. I like it. It doesn't have the longest residual effect like some of the stronger insecticides. But it is effective when reapplied as needed. Smells nice too
I'd like to try and replicate it through some simple extractions. Almost everything in it could be grown in the yard, or garden.
The Jack's (if it is the same as the liquid), is Spinosad. A bacterium and organic, safe product. I am a big fan after trying it a few times on outdoor plants such as tomatoes and hibiscus. It also takes multi applications as time goes on. Kicks ass though.
Keep the DE dry for it to be effective. Once it is wet, it softens and loses it "mechanical" control measure. Its a good tool in the arsenal, though I havent found it to be super effective as a stand alone product. It does work, just not for everything or 100% of the time. Super low toxicity so it hurts to add fresh, which is nice.
Good stuff @Frenzy and @DreamsOfDiesel. Many folks will be looking for options as summer goes on and the bugs start becoming more noticeable and problematic.
Yes it is the spinosad, decently priced aswell.
Also I was thinking the same thing wife likes to grow herbs...soooooo lol. Make our own spray. Started growing peppers to, to make spray.
jpcyan2
In Bloom
Yup. I made some a few weeks ago, boiling spices from the spice rack, Thyme, cinnamon, crushed red pepper seeds, cayenne powder, Garlic powder, Rosemary, and a drop or two of olive oil and dish soap after it boiled and sat 24 hrs.
Using it as both a pest/insect control/deterrent, and for deer and raccoons. They are either topping plants and flowers or just digging in pots around the yard. Seems to help Fresh ingredients and an alcohol extraction might produce a more potent product.
Check the pool DE carefully, as Ive seen some with an additive. I dont remember what. But I was thinking the same thing, Big Bulk bags for cheap. Good luck
Using it as both a pest/insect control/deterrent, and for deer and raccoons. They are either topping plants and flowers or just digging in pots around the yard. Seems to help
Fresh ingredients and an alcohol extraction might produce a more potent product. Check the pool DE carefully, as Ive seen some with an additive. I dont remember what. But I was thinking the same thing, Big Bulk bags for cheap. Good luck
Fr3nzy
In Bloom
Hell ya, good shit. I just did peppers last time will add more next time. I will check a bag and see what it says but good looking out ?Yup. I made some a few weeks ago, boiling spices from the spice rack, Thyme, cinnamon, crushed red pepper seeds, cayenne powder, Garlic powder, Rosemary, and a drop or two of olive oil and dish soap after it boiled and sat 24 hrs.
Using it as both a pest/insect control/deterrent, and for deer and raccoons. They are either topping plants and flowers or just digging in pots around the yard. Seems to help
Check the pool DE carefully, as Ive seen some with an additive. I dont remember what. But I was thinking the same thing, Big Bulk bags for cheap. Good luck
DreamsOfDiesel
In Bloom
Thanks. My goal is to take care of any problems in veg & not have to worry in flower lol. DE added to help with heat mostly, my temps were getting 95-100, got down to 85-90 but still warmI haven't tried that specific brand, but have used a couple others with the same ingredients or a variation of the same. I like it. It doesn't have the longest residual effect like some of the stronger insecticides. But it is effective when reapplied as needed. Smells nice too
I'd like to try and replicate it through some simple extractions. Almost everything in it could be grown in the yard, or garden.
The Jack's (if it is the same as the liquid), is Spinosad. A bacterium and organic, safe product. I am a big fan after trying it a few times on outdoor plants such as tomatoes and hibiscus. It also takes multi applications as time goes on. Kicks ass though.
Keep the DE dry for it to be effective. Once it is wet, it softens and loses it "mechanical" control measure. Its a good tool in the arsenal, though I havent found it to be super effective as a stand alone product. It does work, just not for everything or 100% of the time. Super low toxicity so it hurts to add fresh, which is nice.
Good stuff @Frenzy and @DreamsOfDiesel. Many folks will be looking for options as summer goes on and the bugs start becoming more noticeable and problematic.
DreamsOfDiesel
In Bloom
Usually get food grade DE not pool grade, be carefulYup. I made some a few weeks ago, boiling spices from the spice rack, Thyme, cinnamon, crushed red pepper seeds, cayenne powder, Garlic powder, Rosemary, and a drop or two of olive oil and dish soap after it boiled and sat 24 hrs.
Using it as both a pest/insect control/deterrent, and for deer and raccoons. They are either topping plants and flowers or just digging in pots around the yard. Seems to help
Check the pool DE carefully, as Ive seen some with an additive. I dont remember what. But I was thinking the same thing, Big Bulk bags for cheap. Good luck
DreamsOfDiesel
In Bloom
Cant wait to have a yard again in few weeks
DreamsOfDiesel
In Bloom
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A few things I just read about food grade versus pool filter Diatomacious Earth
1…What is the difference between food chemical codex grade (food grade) and pool grade DE?
The difference here lies in the way that each type of DE is treated. Pool Grade DE is calcined, meaning that is treated with very high heat. This turns the silicon dioxide that is present in the DE into crystalline silica. Pool Grade diatomaceous earth, and most other calcined DE products, contain high concentrations of crystalline silica. In fact, some can range from 60 - 70% crystalline silica.
Crystalline silica is very dangerous and can be harmful to the health of humans and animals. For this reason, Pool Grade diatomaceous earth should NOT be used for any purpose other than filtration.
Most Food Chemical Codex Grade (Food Grade) diatomaceous earth products, on the other hand, are not calcined and are composed largely of amorphous silica. Food Chemical Codex Grade (Food Grade) DE products contain less than 1% crystalline silica and can be used in animal feed and for insect control. Food Grade diatomaceous earth, such as Red Lake Earth, unlike pool grade DE, is safe to be used around humans and animals.
A few things I just read about food grade versus pool filter Diatomacious Earth
1…What is the difference between food chemical codex grade (food grade) and pool grade DE?
The difference here lies in the way that each type of DE is treated. Pool Grade DE is calcined, meaning that is treated with very high heat. This turns the silicon dioxide that is present in the DE into crystalline silica. Pool Grade diatomaceous earth, and most other calcined DE products, contain high concentrations of crystalline silica. In fact, some can range from 60 - 70% crystalline silica.
Crystalline silica is very dangerous and can be harmful to the health of humans and animals. For this reason, Pool Grade diatomaceous earth should NOT be used for any purpose other than filtration.
Most Food Chemical Codex Grade (Food Grade) diatomaceous earth products, on the other hand, are not calcined and are composed largely of amorphous silica. Food Chemical Codex Grade (Food Grade) DE products contain less than 1% crystalline silica and can be used in animal feed and for insect control. Food Grade diatomaceous earth, such as Red Lake Earth, unlike pool grade DE, is safe to be used around humans and animals.
jpcyan2
In Bloom
@DreamsOfDiesel Ive never heard of DE for heat. Is it used as a top dressing? The white color and reflective nature keeping the soil beneath it cooler? It holds moisture at a cooler temp? Or is it something else I'm missing?
Good info. Yeah the dust of Crystalline silica is nasty stuff.
Good info. Yeah the dust of Crystalline silica is nasty stuff.
DreamsOfDiesel
In Bloom
Silica supposed to help plants deal with stress in general, also as bug deterrent so I've been going with light coating on top after water, & when water next it gets absorbed into soil to help plant. I'm not positive in doing it right tho, I just made up my own way from a bunch of advice from others. I'll see if I can find an article for silica & stress
DreamsOfDiesel
In Bloom
I'll also be mixing it into promix in veg stuff, just havent gotten that far yet. Here's an article
How silica can help you grow better cannabis
Many research studies have confirmed the benefits of adding silica to the feeding regime of your cannabis crop. Silica reduces the threat of pests and disease, creates...
www.dinafem.org
DreamsOfDiesel
In Bloom
I just realized it sounded like I was saying DE brought my temps down, no that didnt happen lol. It was just to help with heat stress & critter control in flower
jpcyan2
In Bloom
ahhh got ya. Yeah that makes sense. I have a silica product I sometimes add myself. Its been a while since Ive used it, I cant remember the name.
Good article thanks.
I top dress with PBH (par boiled rice hulls). It reduces evaporation and temps at soil level. Very light weight, biodegradable, light in color and a by-product of the rice industry. It works well with DE as it dry quickly on top and creates a barrier for fungus gnats.
Good article thanks.
I top dress with PBH (par boiled rice hulls). It reduces evaporation and temps at soil level. Very light weight, biodegradable, light in color and a by-product of the rice industry. It works well with DE as it dry quickly on top and creates a barrier for fungus gnats.
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