BH’s 2021 late winter lab experience

[BH]

Updates soon so back that ass up

 

[BH]

Update !
Bloom date 12th
04/25/21
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* CO2 Increased to 1,500 ppm
* All timber vero29 COB Led's turned up to 100% & HLG/Elevated QB's kept at 24 inches and kept dim 80%
* Dry amend: 5 gal pot = worm poop @ 1cup, asap terp tea grow/bloom and worm meal
* made bamboo "trellis" for 4/12 xl so far, i did 2 with plastic trellis but glad i "tested " that before doing all cause that trellis def will catch onto the neighboring bamboo/plants and sucks.
* One hermie ball on one plant so far found ( since only one ball, removed ball and gone keep a extra eye on it), TP #2 ( triangle Pupil )
* one whole city picker bed is empty since that one was pure males, wish iu wouldn't of done 2 in every bed for those last ones or i would of been able to use it. oh well
* Daily IPM Foliar: (1 GAL) Grandevo @ 4T + PS Truebloom @1ml + Regalia @30ml
* Weekly "Bennie" (50 gal) Normal nutes + Truebloom @50ml + Terp tea Bloom @ Microbe charge @ 1 cup each + Regalia @ 750ml (every 14 days) + Raw Microbe Bloom @ 1/2 cup + insect frass @ 2 cups + PS Paleobloom @ 250ml + PS rootamentary @50ml


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White board:


1st pheno picture for this journal/journey:
Gmoozy ( GMO X Adub )

 

[BH]

Continue of Bloom date 12th day from switch
04/25/21
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XL Line

 

[BH]

Continue of Bloom date 12th day from switch
04/25/21

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The Middle SOG (QB's)

 

[BH]

Continue of Bloom date 12th day from switch
04/25/21
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Runt 4x8 table in 5 gal square container's ( filling in nicely )



sky view:

 

[Capt's Farm]

BH looking good..
I got a ??
Did you make the rails for your timbers or was it all together as a kit or a light.

Keep up the good work.....?

 

[GthaEnigma]

So glad I am following along, I have 2 triangle pupils started. I will be extra vigilant with them. Everything looks so amazing. Love your journal and envy your grow space for reals. Great job brother.

 

[Idlewilder]

Looking good BH! Do you foliar all through flower?

 

[BH]

BH looking good..
I got a ??
Did you make the rails for your timbers or was it all together as a kit or a light.

Keep up the good work.....?

They are built that way (airplane grade metal ) the bigger models (600-900 watt) they have em de-assembled for shipping cost reduction but it’s super easy to assemble . The penetration and low amount of heat is great

So glad I am following along, I have 2 triangle pupils started. I will be extra vigilant with them. Everything looks so amazing. Love your journal and envy your grow space for reals. Great job brother.

Thanks bro, def love the growing journey

Looking good BH! Do you foliar all through flower?

Yes I do (stop on 7-14 days before chop , reason for those actions = plant won’t benefit and ipm unneeded Beyond (all companies I use deep flower stated that suggestion on “when “ to stop

one key to reduction of burned pistols and even buds or plants during flower is spraying min 3 hours before lights turn on or right after lights off . I have seen such a dramatic performance and reaction by timing .

another thing to know is everything I use exp for flower stage has been heavily tested and verified it can be used in flower for cannabis and will pass a lab test np .

 

[BH]

take the back road

 

[Jewels]

Google is pizen me off, so I thought I would just ask,,,

If you were to graph your target C02 concentration over the course of the grow, what would it look like ?

Flat , bell, rise ?

Having trouble finding first hand info.

Someone once told me that pushing high CO2 all the way through flower would increase yields - at the expense of sacrificing potency.

I grow the stuff for smoking , and I seem plenty baked ? so I did not give it much heed.

I have tried to research/googly "negative effects of excess CO2 in late flower "
,,,but I have found nothing.

Reason being,,,
Since I started burning a lot of propane in my shack I certainly have exposed my plant to excessive concentrations of CO2.
+5000 ppm , any given day.

Sometimes I do wonder if there is such thing as 'too much of a good thing'

The only bro science observation I can make for my own part is the random appearance of floofy, rope-a-dope, dread buds.
Calyx stacked on calyx. The anomaly seems random , as two seedborne plants from the same pack may react differently; one stays diamond hard whilst the other floofs out.
As far as I can tell, it is only harming bag appeal. At first glance the bud appears whispy, or elongated. Like a half revegging outdoor bud or an underlit indoor lower.

As it is now,,, I ran outta propane at the end of week 5. I have some tangies and the twinkle tart showing signs of floofing.
In the name of science, I will suffer through the next couple weeks without propane heat.
Dunno how that will play out. I have read that a spoiled plant jas trouble incorporating C02 unaided. We are about to start week 7 so we shall see how these things ripen on their own. They seem to be sucking back water like a MF'r, and I am starting to see plants begin to list over.

Anyho, ,,
You are near 3 weeks?
Are you ramping up C02 ?
Same same ?
Really curious to listen to any thoughts you have on anything C02.

Here is an elongate RippersGold Bud, shiny in the sun.

Good stuff, but I always seem to get less out the bottom of the buster, than I put in the top. ?

 

[BH]

Google is pizen me off, so I thought I would just ask,,,

If you were to graph your target C02 concentration over the course of the grow, what would it look like ?

Flat , bell, rise ?

Having trouble finding first hand info.

Someone once told me that pushing high CO2 all the way through flower would increase yields - at the expense of sacrificing potency.

I grow the stuff for smoking , and I seem plenty baked

so I did not give it much heed.

I have tried to research/googly "negative effects of excess CO2 in late flower "
,,,but I have found nothing.

Reason being,,,
Since I started burning a lot of propane in my shack I certainly have exposed my plant to excessive concentrations of CO2.
+5000 ppm , any given day.

Sometimes I do wonder if there is such thing as 'too much of a good thing'

The only bro science observation I can make for my own part is the random appearance of floofy, rope-a-dope, dread buds.
Calyx stacked on calyx. The anomaly seems random , as two seedborne plants from the same pack may react differently; one stays diamond hard whilst the other floofs out.
As far as I can tell, it is only harming bag appeal. At first glance the bud appears whispy, or elongated. Like a half revegging outdoor bud or an underlit indoor lower.

As it is now,,, I ran outta propane at the end of week 5. I have some tangies and the twinkle tart showing signs of floofing.
In the name of science, I will suffer through the next couple weeks without propane heat.
Dunno how that will play out. I have read that a spoiled plant jas trouble incorporating C02 unaided. We are about to start week 7 so we shall see how these things ripen on their own. They seem to be sucking back water like a MF'r, and I am starting to see plants begin to list over.

Anyho, ,,
You are near 3 weeks?
Are you ramping up C02 ?
Same same ?
Really curious to listen to any thoughts you have on anything C02.

Here is an elongate RippersGold Bud, shiny in the sun.
View attachment 63895
Good stuff, but I always seem to get less out the bottom of the buster, than I put in the top.

I'll try top answer your questions accordly & if i leave something out and you want to re-ask the question nor a rev of such. go ahead:

1.Someone once told me that pushing high CO2 all the way through flower would increase yields - at the expense of sacrificing potency.
answer = NO
why = your co2 rates are based on temp and PPFD request, there has been enough testing for greenhouse and indoors on cannabis and Big ag to show for at least cannabis request its been proven that lowering your temps to under 70f and lowering your ppfd at the last 2-3 weeks is a increase in both quality and yields vs doing 100% light energy and higher CO2 PPM and also more nutes.

2. "negative effects of excess CO2 in late flower "
Answer = the negative effects is nothing from 5000ppm for plants besides wasteful on energy sources and won't help your plants, nowhere can you help any pheno beyond 1,500 even with tons of PPFD, plants can accept 5k but they can’t handle 10k like many things:

https://www.ehow.com/info_12060763_signs-co2-toxicity-plants.html

3. your third questions if it will add fox tailing from too much co2, thing is genetics are cemented from the region they came from on their tolerance from more nutes to ppfd request. thing is so many people in cannabis think they crank their lights dim to 100% first round or w/e even with higher co2 and not expect certain phenos to hate it. many hate higher ppfd and it takes trialing or knowing the genetics request to go beyond 700-900 ppfd. majority of genetics actually like i stated above want a lower ppfd and less co2 at the last 3 weeks (750-900ppm co2 at last 2 weeks & 50-75% on dim of lights & under 70f on canopy temp)

a good point on why you lower PPFD and CO2 and lowering temps is your plant knows when its season is over and when you keep it at the hottest point and also higher levels like in nature, i can see why a plant or anyone would be a little confused or not function as good.

4." Sometimes I do wonder if there is such thing as 'too much of a good thing"
answer = like i stated above, some plants/genetics want and request more. some def are pussies and you can't over ride their built in genetic request. people playing god and trying to do so no wonder they fail or have not what they think they can “program “

but people think they can be god or find these extra intaking plants, does it make those extra intakers bigger ? No and majority of all cannabis does not want more than 900 ppfd, won’t kill em when over. Just not helpful in anyway

Understanding DLI: How to Leverage Daily Light Integral to Optimize Your Harvest

Cultivators are becoming more sophisticated about ensuring optimal plant growth and are learning more about the daily light integral, or DLI, associated with their grow.

fluence.science

5".As it is now,,, I ran outta propane at the end of week 5. I have some tangies and the twinkle tart showing signs of floofing.
In the name of science, I will suffer through the next couple weeks without propane heat.
Dunno how that will play out. I have read that a spoiled plant jas trouble incorporating C02 unaided. We are about to start week 7 so we shall see how these things ripen on their own. They seem to be sucking back water like a MF'r, and I am starting to see plants begin to list over."\

answer= if harvesting on 8-9th week, key is to turn down your temps, turn down your light strength and also lower your ppm's of nutes. a big also thing is people will push high PK and PGR's supplements too hard and thats also why they get negative effects but also fox tailing. the other factor is you can't change a bud structure . if its a fox tailing dominate bud or isn't dominate a kush like round bud and compact. look at sour d and GMO , WIFI and many sativa dom , can't change fox tailing genetics but if you wanna get rid of traits run a pure indica cross with them and that improves time of harvest but bag appeal ( why i keep my Gmoozy and GMO cake vs running pure GMO, = QUICKER FLOWER TIME and awesome bag appeal. but still has that GMO funk )

6."
Anyho, ,,
You are near 3 weeks? = 2nd week of bloom
Are you ramping up C02 ? =yes ( explain it below)
Same same ? = ( are you asking same results or same Co2 rates?) no def in plants, 75% organics in coco , plants pray to sky, last round i got over 2lb per 600 watts and thats including every fan, pump ,DEH,HVAC including in the maths and zero popcorn/ b grade buds.
Really curious to listen to any thoughts you have on anything C02 = love to help and explain a little of why you do certain things on use of CO2 and higher ppfd with nutes relationship


Answer = I do adjust my co2 or don't use it during my grow cycle, but I do not apply on GR1 AKA in my veg room, why? = Thing is my ppfd in there and demand at that stage is only 400 ppm of Co2 and temps aren't above 78f canopy in first stage grow room to require such demands and since not led's as main veg room and not following VPD in there ( adding co2 wouldn't help much for value since they aren't in there for long ). however once they go to GR#2 ( flower room) i put it at 750 ppm co2 and have lights starting at 25-30% and raise 5% every 3-5 days and every time i raise my PPFD/Dim % i raise 100 ppm. right before flip my lights should be at 50% ( 300-350 watts per 4x4 in power) @ 900-1200ppm Co2/nutes , once flip I raise from 50% and every 3-5 days raise 10% and another 100ppm & keep raising till 75-100% dim ( depending on strains request ) and raise CO2 to max of 1,500 cause there is zero proof evidence anything above that will help you.

like i stated before, on the last 2-3 weeks lower your PPFD and co2 gradually like i stated above for raising (3-5 days) till the light PPFD is 50-75% and have co2 ending point at 750-900 ( some turn it off but i disagree ) and temps under 70f .


one of the biggest things i noticed from some of the biggest tests of greenhouse and led's in indoors & people at least online don't suggest or show this part of the inputs and their relationship with such is your CO2 rate should be matched by same nutes level unless the plant does not want such ( and that result they prolly don't want higher ppfd )

Temperature if using in co2 enrichment the environment needs to be above 78f and max y 86f on canopy to function, best temp on a canopy is 83f and also following VPD on canopy level changes your intake and how well your plants can achieve , hell my flower room can hit 75-80% RH when lights on and then having my environment control right on top of highest point of canopy and middle of SOG shows 55-65% so it shows of previous runs no wonder why my VPD if followed by non canopy wasn't correct or even temps when following the rooms temps and non canopy RH/temp.

Air flow so the plant can receive more CO2 is a must , people so many times will lack good airflow and no wonder their plants are suffocating to death.


now this article is a little old but Fluence made a good article explaining why CO2 + nutes + PPFD levels must be in same graph or you'll def have ill effects.

 

[BH]

rest of fluence article explains Co2 + PPFD + nute relationship plus led growing environment vs hps

 

[Jewels]

I am soaking up every word here , Haze.

Seems we are humming the same tunes.


As much as I like to be bombastic at times, the heavy doses of CO2, is mostly me trying to keep warm in my smok'n shack / grow igloo.

The ladies are hoarded in tight, it is the sitting room where I am huddled around the bottletop burner.
The instructions demand 48 sq. Inch of fresh intake,,, I leave the pedestrian door cracked open an inch. I will burn that thing for hours on end some nights. ( lights are on when sun is down) The entire 20x30' garage is flooded with CO2. After I snuff it, the garage is equalized to ambient atmospheric CO2 with in a couple hours.

I wonder if those buds are just so damn happy. I know you mentioned a bud will form how it must form,,,
I just get self conscious , eh?
Sometimes I get plants that just blow right the F up.
Twinkle Tart, Charstar, PeyoteCrictxChungLee, they didnt give me pineapples. More like bathroom chain, endless grapes, I always wondered if it was something I was doing to them.

lowering your temps to under 70f and lowering your ppfd at the last 2-3 weeks is a increase in both quality and yields vs doing 100% light energy and higher CO2 PPM and also more nutes.

As ripening and finishing are not photon-intensive ?

Makes sense that a flowering plant is not greedy for nitrogen, because it has stopped growing.
Makes sense,
Closer to finish line,,,not greedy for light,, not greedy for heat. As they all need to de-escalate at the interdependent appropriate proportions.

I can tell you there is no magic to be found at super lower temps. This one time at band camp, I was trying to gain some kinda legendary fade by letting them get real cool at night. My thinking was : the plant would fear the coming winter and just shit her pants and amber up - right now.
?Doesnt seem to work that way. The action seemed to stop. The plants I left in the igloo finished as normal. The plants getting real cold darks took a hard pause. They wouldn't amber up for me. I ended up admitting my failure and they began to finish up, with warmer nights. Sprout, veg , or flower- deep cold halts action.
It is of course an unrefined, unproven, unsolicited observation, but I think it happened that way.
Does that ring true?
Say an outdoor farmer had a real cold snap during his last two or three weeks of the season. Was he find his plants to be less mature?

If I think about something hard enough ~ I know less about it than when I started.
?

 

[BH]

I am soaking up every word here , Haze.

Seems we are humming the same tunes.


As much as I like to be bombastic at times, the heavy doses of CO2, is mostly me trying to keep warm in my smok'n shack / grow igloo.

The ladies are hoarded in tight, it is the sitting room where I am huddled around the bottletop burner.
The instructions demand 48 sq. Inch of fresh intake,,, I leave the pedestrian door cracked open an inch. I will burn that thing for hours on end some nights. ( lights are on when sun is down) The entire 20x30' garage is flooded with CO2. After I snuff it, the garage is equalized to ambient atmospheric CO2 with in a couple hours.

I wonder if those buds are just so damn happy. I know you mentioned a bud will form how it must form,,,
I just get self conscious , eh?
Sometimes I get plants that just blow right the F up.
Twinkle Tart, Charstar, PeyoteCrictxChungLee, they didnt give me pineapples. More like bathroom chain, endless grapes, I always wondered if it was something I was doing to them.


As ripening and finishing are not photon-intensive ?

Makes sense that a flowering plant is not greedy for nitrogen, because it has stopped growing.
Makes sense,
Closer to finish line,,,not greedy for light,, not greedy for heat. As they all need to de-escalate at the interdependent appropriate proportions.

I can tell you there is no magic to be found at super lower temps. This one time at band camp, I was trying to gain some kinda legendary fade by letting them get real cool at night. My thinking was : the plant would fear the coming winter and just shit her pants and amber up - right now.
?Doesnt seem to work that way. The action seemed to stop. The plants I left in the igloo finished as normal. The plants getting real cold darks took a hard pause. They wouldn't amber up for me. I ended up admitting my failure and they began to finish up, with warmer nights. Sprout, veg , or flower- deep cold halts action.
It is of course an unrefined, unproven, unsolicited observation, but I think it happened that way.
Does that ring true?
Say an outdoor farmer had a real cold snap during his last two or three weeks of the season. Was he find his plants to be less mature?

If I think about something hard enough ~ I know less about it than when I

Another thing if your following vpd and you turn down your RH with temps , at least in my season of outdoors I def can’t do what the vpd or temp demands on outdoors at end. Which makes sense why also the outdoor plants does not like the cold + high rh and many Inbalances vs indoors proper vpd and temps for night and day .

thing is doing something outdoors is completely diff cause of so many environment things are not controlled factors that may slow down its growth . My OD plants slow way down when it gets under 65f and that’s how the plant is programmed to intake . Just like giving a plant cold water , won’t kill it but def will slow it down and not Intake it for hours after

your kinda taking my words in wrong way a little on turning temps and ppfd 2-3 weeks before chop a little wrong , I said 70f under , not 50f and lowering dom to 75-80% vs 100% and also lowering co2 gradually down to 750min -1200ppm at most.

a simple why is Colder temp increase plant phytohormone gibberellin and also too much is not a good thing and not needed since the plant has a pre-programmed agenda

Gibberellin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nocturnal and daytime stomatal conductance respond to root-zone temperature in ‘Shiraz’ grapevines

AbstractBackground and Aims. Daytime root-zone temperature may be a significant factor regulating water flux through plants. Water flux can also occur duri

academic.oup.com

prove the pre-programmed agenda, try to put a veg stage npk and environment demands on a flowering-harvest stage and tell me the plant even at end of cycle won’t still be falling out or wanting to die? they are still pre-programmed like us and we can’t over ride death and cycle of out life span

The effect of cold on cannabis plants

In this post we show you which methods you can use to avoid the cold in an indoor cannabis crop. There are various modes to keep a stable temperature during the winter so you can choose the resolution that best suits to your indoor or greenhouse crop for personal use.

www.alchimiaweb.com

too much light and same with temp will not kill a plant , but it def can give it unwanted bag appeal and not increase of yields it just like inproper process and curing . In many rec state many LP use lower temps on last weeks of flower (under 70f-65f max ) once a plant is chopped it can be as cold as they can do it (just not under 32f inless it’s intended for extract )
you get better over all results and better electricity usage

so in simple wording, last 2-3 weeks before chop keeping lower RH with lower temps (68-70f & 55rh/1-1.5 vpd ) and lowering ppfd and Co2 will make the plant know and ripen quicker vs going 100% max on everything snd higher temps/rh.


As a side suggest even for process and cure Many Lp or commerical even leave their buds in walk in fridges or if cold enough in curing area @40fish to keep the terps and quality at perfect zone and shows by lab and review def helps overall quality . I’ve been doing that method of cold curing since my winters are super cold and only keeping what I need in normal rooms temps and def noticed better smoothness

‘This company fridge cures and look at their prices lol

 

[BH]

18th day of bloom folks!
pictures 04/29-04/30
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updates!

* dry amendments: 10 gal container = Terp tea Grow @ 1T + Uprising Bloom @1T + Phos Bat guano @2T
* Current Bennie Brew: (50 gal rez) Regular nutes + Terp tea Microbe @ 1 cup + meal worm @ 2 cups ( next time i will only do 1/2 cup )+ Worm poop @ 4 cups . everything this time besides base nutes were brewed for 8 hours vs 12 hours-24h brews
* all QB based Led's raised to 30 inches and COB VERO29 raised to 14 min inches above canopy and Dim levels raised to 100%
* De-leafed/pruning project of (10) City picker beds so far, run out of time so i try to do 2-4 every night
* CO2 Levels same = 1,500 ppm
* Foliar/IPM: GR#1 (1/2 gal): Venerate XC @ 2T + Seagreen @ 1/2ml & Regalia @15ml
* GR #2 (1 GAL) Venerate XC @ 4T + Seagreen @1ml + Truebloom + Regalia @30ml
* No hermies found yet besides one that had only one ball, i been quick scanning all and throughly checking anything being delayed. so far too good . but prevention is the key!

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De-leaf project on "XL plants"
now i realize these plants are too tall and un-needed. the plants were ethier be killed or use em? this prolly will be last time but i also like to look at per sqft/4x4 how much im getting per version of size of plant or pot. we shall see

one plant removed..


Holy grail
before de-leaf:

After de-leaf:


City Slicker ( Gelato #33 x stardawg)

Before-de-leaf:

After de-leaf:


G-Moozy ( GMO X Adub )

Before De-leaf

After De-leaf

 

[BH]

Continue of 18th day of bloom: " Deleafing "
pictures 04/29-04/30
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Pig Whistle ( RHS X Stardawg) #10

Before De-leaf

After DE-leaf


Cowboy Cookies ( GMO X Stardawg ) #8

Before De-leaf

After De-leaf





Look at the ladder compared to the canopy lol

 

[BH]

Continue of 18th day of bloom: " Deleafing "
pictures 04/29-04/30

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Wish picture was better but View of XL line:

Beautiful SOG shots:


Modified Apple ( GMO x Miracle Warp ) #6
Before de-leaf


after Deleaf...Didn't need it as much as some pheno's but def removed some of those large leafs


G-Moozy (GMO X ADUB )

Before DE-leaf

After de-leafing

.

 

[BH]

Continue of 18th day of bloom: " Deleafing "
pictures 04/29-04/30
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Apple Cookies ( Cookies n Chem (starchild pheno) x Miracle Warp ) #6

Before de-leafing

After Deleafing

 

[DopeDaniel]

everything this time besides base nutes were brewed for 8 hours vs 12 hours-24h brews

Whats the logic here?

Are you saying the bennie and terp brews were brewed for 8 then base/everything was added?