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BH
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Scale insect - Wikipedia
I’m sending a bug Id confirm( ur pic ) to 2 diff bug experts/bug seller companies and see what their views are !
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Thanks mate . Looks like some type of scale bug . I’ve had two branches just randomly die on the affected plants . I’m not sure if these guys attributed ?Scale insect - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I’m sending a bug Id confirm( ur pic ) to 2 diff bug experts/bug seller companies and see what their views are !
BH
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They are sucking ur plant alive, like Aphids and so many since slow. You could manually remove em .
another good option I see is iso swabbing ur infected areas
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Repeat every two to three days until the problem insects are eradicated.”
I emailed the experts because like any pest, who’s to say this specific species needs an extra IPM to win or who’s to say it’s not even a pest per se? For example look at mites, every species needs diff Ipm based on So many factors.
if it was me I would hand remove the obvious population and watch daily to see if ur making a pest pressure removal. From articles I see hardest and if not imposssivle to kill are the hard bodied adults. so imo I would since I see adults kill em that way? if it was outdoors and acres and u see pest pressure around ur garden of em ur screwed but I think this is manageable if you start impacting their cycles .
for now, this is a good article for scale
www.thespruce.com
another good option I see is iso swabbing ur infected areas
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Treat With Rubbing Alcohol
Rubbing alcohol can kill scale insects if the infestations are light. The best approach is to put the rubbing alcohol directly on the scale bugs using a cotton swab. This can be quite laborious in an outdoor garden, however, so you can also fill a garden sprayer or spray bottle with a mix containing one part rubbing alcohol to seven parts water.Repeat every two to three days until the problem insects are eradicated.”
I emailed the experts because like any pest, who’s to say this specific species needs an extra IPM to win or who’s to say it’s not even a pest per se? For example look at mites, every species needs diff Ipm based on So many factors.
if it was me I would hand remove the obvious population and watch daily to see if ur making a pest pressure removal. From articles I see hardest and if not imposssivle to kill are the hard bodied adults. so imo I would since I see adults kill em that way? if it was outdoors and acres and u see pest pressure around ur garden of em ur screwed but I think this is manageable if you start impacting their cycles .
for now, this is a good article for scale
Scale Management Guidelines--UC IPM
UC home and landscape guidelines for control of Scales.
ipm.ucanr.edu
Cottony Cushion Scale Management Guidelines--UC IPM
UC home and landscape guidelines for control of Cottony Cushion Scale.
ipm.ucanr.edu
Help for Hard-to-Control Scale Insects in Your Garden
Scale are tiny, sap-sucking insects that look like small bumps on a stem that stick to and feed off of host plants. Learn what to do if you see them.
BH
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After some thought and looking at what the ipm about scale and what u can do to kill the adults , the green-cleaner recipe would work great against them!
a great knockout recipe that does same function as greencleaner/nuke em/loast coast is=
1/3 iso 70%, 1/3 sals soap & canola oil
this recipe will do same modes as all those expensive brand stuff, keeping it simple
app rate = 1/2oz (low pressure)-2oz high pressure per gallon water
always shake ur concentration mix before applying, also make sure to let it dissolve into ur water for 15 minutes. Like any foliar let ur plants intake the foliar for 3hrs without high ppfd and make sure to spray fully and fine mist vs runoff/droplets.
if it was me I would spray for 3-5 times in a row the dih spray I listed above, start with 1-1/2 oz than 2nd time 1 oz and watch the pest and plants reaction . once pest pressure low/ gone do once a week . than I would use biocontrols
if I had more experience with scales i Could give ya a whole rotational but my guess after removing adults and spraying it s few times u won’t have any issues. The greenclesner diy recipe makes it less than 10 bucks for a concentrate vs what paying over 200 bucks for it? the reason I’m suggesting this over just iso is u got a multi mode of kill/defense/repel
a great knockout recipe that does same function as greencleaner/nuke em/loast coast is=
1/3 iso 70%, 1/3 sals soap & canola oil
this recipe will do same modes as all those expensive brand stuff, keeping it simple
app rate = 1/2oz (low pressure)-2oz high pressure per gallon water
always shake ur concentration mix before applying, also make sure to let it dissolve into ur water for 15 minutes. Like any foliar let ur plants intake the foliar for 3hrs without high ppfd and make sure to spray fully and fine mist vs runoff/droplets.
if it was me I would spray for 3-5 times in a row the dih spray I listed above, start with 1-1/2 oz than 2nd time 1 oz and watch the pest and plants reaction . once pest pressure low/ gone do once a week . than I would use biocontrols
if I had more experience with scales i Could give ya a whole rotational but my guess after removing adults and spraying it s few times u won’t have any issues. The greenclesner diy recipe makes it less than 10 bucks for a concentrate vs what paying over 200 bucks for it? the reason I’m suggesting this over just iso is u got a multi mode of kill/defense/repel
BH
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Bug experts response!
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Hello,
This looks like Black Olive Scale. Black Olive Scale | Center for Invasive Species Research (ucr.edu)
You have a few options depending on how bad the infestation is.
If your state allows and you are in veg you can spray with Suffoil-X.
If you cannot use Suffoil in your state. Other horticultural oils can be an option. Make sure the label includes scale.
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the diy greencleaner will work but I def recommend suffoilx over it, why = iso itself will stress, mineral oil (suffoilx) won’t and it can wipe out so many bugs np!
www.evergreengrowers.com
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Hello,
This looks like Black Olive Scale. Black Olive Scale | Center for Invasive Species Research (ucr.edu)
You have a few options depending on how bad the infestation is.
If your state allows and you are in veg you can spray with Suffoil-X.
If you cannot use Suffoil in your state. Other horticultural oils can be an option. Make sure the label includes scale.
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the diy greencleaner will work but I def recommend suffoilx over it, why = iso itself will stress, mineral oil (suffoilx) won’t and it can wipe out so many bugs np!
SuffOil-X Insecticide
Target Pest: Adelgids, aphids, armored scales, cankerworms, eriophyid mites, leafhoppers, leafrollers, leaf tiers, mealybugs, plant bugs, psyllids, soft scales, spider mites, webworms, whiteflies, thrips, broad mites SuffOil-X is a unique concentrate of pre-emulsified, highly refined, high...
BH
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Are u asking me just use the diy greencleaner recipe instead if u can’t get suffoilx? yes this is why I wrote that diy since some people cannot get it and wanted a recipe anyone could get that stuff and make it.
are you asking me put in mineral oil instead of conola in that recipe ? I don’t know 100% but also know when u look at majority of these mineral oils for horticulture aren’t just mineral oil, they use stuff to emulsify and be able to mix in….
Well i know bioworks (maker of suffoilx)
Is doing something to The mineral oil to mix in correctly and work. for 70bucks 2.5 and high concentration im all down
”SuffOil-X is an insecticide, miticide, and fungicide that suffocates pests in all life stages with a unique concentration of pre-emulsified and highly refined oil. SuffOil-X’s formulation delivers lower petroleum oil content and a droplet size that’s 93% smaller than other agricultural spray oils. This allows a high level of protection using a thinner coating – resulting in faster dry times, less blockage of stomata and plant respiration, and less magnification of sunlight. Plus, the emulsifiers help SuffOil-X dilute faster and more thoroughly in water than traditional spray oils. All of which dramatically reduce the chances of plant burn.”
SuffOil-X®
SuffOil-X® SuffOil-X is an insecticide, miticide, and fungicide that suffocates pests in all life stages with a unique concentration of pre-emulsified and highly refined oil. SuffOil-X’s formulation delivers lower petroleum oil content and a droplet size that’s 93% smaller than
bioworksinc.com
if you see they are using certain patented methods to even refine the oil with low petroleum content but also make it smaller droplet and easier to use and stuff mixes in like a champ and stays mixed , it sticks like a pro to leafs with no wetting agent needed. I do mix in suffoilx with whole foliar line besides npk based products or singular pesticides like greencleaner. Biocontrols and misc np.. suffoilx is used on big ag crops so you know this stuff is worth using and imo prolly isn’t worth making a diy mineral oil over it.
if someone has a mineral oil diy, go for it but I like to see proof and math of how much it cost?
theres other brands of mineral oil for ag Ipm but from my me researching this was the best one for me, after using it last season I know I won’t ever not use suffoilx in my IPM. It works soo flawless and also doesn’t stress the plant in anyway and even works great as a fungicide too. I haven’t seen a pest really be able to win against it. Key is every 7 days. So if u have a pest that hatches/needs respraying before 7 days u need a inbetween ( this where the biocontrols or other knockouts come into play )
Willie
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Canola oil is probably healthier. Mineral oil is distilled petroleum and has some health concerns
Willie
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LOL, those are barnacles that followed you back from the boat
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or scale). You can pick them off, spray them off, treat them with soap or alcohol.
BH
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This is why if im doing mineral oil im doing suffoilx where they removed that issue
Willie
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I see they are making a claim they are delivering a lower petroleum content.....but at the days end it's a petroleum product whereas canola is a plant product. It's OMRI but it's still petro. Anyway, I see their claim and they make a point of making them, must be something to the oil thing, .......that's what they are in business for.
A little alky or soap would go a long way for this infestation.
A little alky or soap would go a long way for this infestation.
BH
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all respect to you willie, we all have diff views and I respect ya hardcore. hope ur not taking this as bashing
claims? You do realize these things are heavily regulated but have strict rules a good exmaple is look how azamax didn’t send their state lab results for label submitting and it got banned cause of that (Oregon a few years ago). You can’t lie and claim safety on such things… good example is azamax vs azaguard . What’s the diff? = removing the petroleum content to way lower and safer % ( not endorsing azaguard it’s just there’s a diff)
i strongly disagree ( maybe check out their website and documents, they heavily explain and show they jump Up and beyond many other companies in their safety and quality control) and if so than why is approved in every state for hemp and cannabis and tobacco even in flower ( 3 weeks before harvest) including safe for indoors . I don’t see many products being able to do that!
your using a general wording as cemented facts , which sometimes can damage the answer or discussion imo and why discredit it when approved and they have a patented filtering and method to make it safe. also that extraction is used on many products to make such workable in organic and strict growing ag , it’s the removal that makes it or break the end result and saftey . Look at the ppe/reh and also hazard safety of suffoilx, im down for that and also recommend to anyone who need a good IPM tool .
claims? You do realize these things are heavily regulated but have strict rules a good exmaple is look how azamax didn’t send their state lab results for label submitting and it got banned cause of that (Oregon a few years ago). You can’t lie and claim safety on such things… good example is azamax vs azaguard . What’s the diff? = removing the petroleum content to way lower and safer % ( not endorsing azaguard it’s just there’s a diff)
i strongly disagree ( maybe check out their website and documents, they heavily explain and show they jump Up and beyond many other companies in their safety and quality control) and if so than why is approved in every state for hemp and cannabis and tobacco even in flower ( 3 weeks before harvest) including safe for indoors . I don’t see many products being able to do that!
your using a general wording as cemented facts , which sometimes can damage the answer or discussion imo and why discredit it when approved and they have a patented filtering and method to make it safe. also that extraction is used on many products to make such workable in organic and strict growing ag , it’s the removal that makes it or break the end result and saftey . Look at the ppe/reh and also hazard safety of suffoilx, im down for that and also recommend to anyone who need a good IPM tool .
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Willie
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See, it seems to me there is a whole lot of words and typing needed to excuse the ingredients. Seems like the company goes way out of their way to say that they way THEY are using petroleum is special.
Essentially all commercially available
horticultural oils (e.g., SunsprayR, ScalecideR,
VolckR) are refined petroleum products also
known as mineral oils. Impurities in the oil
that are associated with plant injury, such
as aromatic compounds and compounds
containing sulfur, nitrogen or oxygen, are
removed. Filtration, distillation and dewaxing
complete the production of the finished base
oil. Final formulations of horticultural oils
are normally combined with an emulsifying
agent that allows the oil to mix with water
...from your link
Why is petroleum the base? Because it's cheaper, that's why.....that company is in business to make money......period. You can trust them and their literature all you want. Just realize they have an incentive to steer folks a certain way.
Essentially all commercially available
horticultural oils (e.g., SunsprayR, ScalecideR,
VolckR) are refined petroleum products also
known as mineral oils. Impurities in the oil
that are associated with plant injury, such
as aromatic compounds and compounds
containing sulfur, nitrogen or oxygen, are
removed. Filtration, distillation and dewaxing
complete the production of the finished base
oil. Final formulations of horticultural oils
are normally combined with an emulsifying
agent that allows the oil to mix with water
...from your link
Why is petroleum the base? Because it's cheaper, that's why.....that company is in business to make money......period. You can trust them and their literature all you want. Just realize they have an incentive to steer folks a certain way.
BH
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why!
! Cause it works, theres so many products that use this extraction and its the % of refinement and end product. i think it’s interesting almost every ipm advisor ive ever talked to with no rep affiliation def recommended that brand and similiar into ipm programs.
Im done with this conversation cause all you want to do is discredit anything i say and talk bs woth no back
If anything this is why i dont like forums, just takes a hater or two and someone wanting to doscredit everything ur discussing to make it worthless
Because its cheap? What charge more and that proves its value? Makes zero sense
Why do not like it? Its safe to use with any pesticide and biocontrol besides npk and singukar only sprays. Its super costly to get cannabis approval label . ive tried other soaps a d similar and this one def worked the best. I stilll cause u give zero info just blabbering on its so bad . Well show me this high % dangerous left in their product! Oh wait they like azaguard are cleanest out there but also lowest for ag
! Cause it works, theres so many products that use this extraction and its the % of refinement and end product. i think it’s interesting almost every ipm advisor ive ever talked to with no rep affiliation def recommended that brand and similiar into ipm programs.
Im done with this conversation cause all you want to do is discredit anything i say and talk bs woth no back
If anything this is why i dont like forums, just takes a hater or two and someone wanting to doscredit everything ur discussing to make it worthless
Because its cheap? What charge more and that proves its value? Makes zero sense
Why do not like it? Its safe to use with any pesticide and biocontrol besides npk and singukar only sprays. Its super costly to get cannabis approval label . ive tried other soaps a d similar and this one def worked the best. I stilll cause u give zero info just blabbering on its so bad . Well show me this high % dangerous left in their product! Oh wait they like azaguard are cleanest out there but also lowest for ag
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Willie
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Lol...so does asbestos.
I don't like mineral oil. I believe I provided a link. You are the one getting your panties in a twist. Which you typically do when somebody doesn't go along with your recommendation. No big deal. And you did not address one point I made..just regurgitated the company line about why it's not harmful.why this poison is ok.
History shows us not to take as gospel what companies put out in their sales promo's. When I see a company going to great lengths to convince me of something I get suspicious. I already don't like refined petroleum products for several reasons.
No matter how much you cut and paste, you have not changed my mind. Hitting me with poop smilies shows how weak and lame you really are.
BH
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so you make asbestos as example for what reason? That’s a banned and proven unhealthy product? well where is suffoilx banned and where has if harmed people reportly? I think it’s interesting u like to mirror ur source by that shit
that’s ur source? Lol
only issue I could see if ur using sulphur or anything that can’t be used near or time limited against oil based. well I don’t use sulphur so what’s ur point ? How many products you even use for cosmetic to wrapping ur food have that in it? oh my lol ?
i think I’ll go with ag industry backing products and approval listing for my state and everyone for cannabis vs a person online with zero facts using its cemented info and all it’s “source” is a url google, shoot you corrected me, oh wait u didn’t . another reason why I hate forums
read their manual ppe,REI yeah soo “dangerous”. actually if u did look at it the danger level and what the ppe requires is soo little I can’t see any lower u would need to do for any foliar. this is what ur scared about ?
Is SuffOil-X safe for workers?
As with any product, care must be taken when handling it. SuffOil-X is labeled as a category III pesticide with the word Caution. SuffOil-X has a 4 hour Restricted Entry Interval (REI) and appropriate Personal Protective Equipment for re-entry during this time period is listed on the label.
that’s ur source? Lol
only issue I could see if ur using sulphur or anything that can’t be used near or time limited against oil based. well I don’t use sulphur so what’s ur point ? How many products you even use for cosmetic to wrapping ur food have that in it? oh my lol ?
i think I’ll go with ag industry backing products and approval listing for my state and everyone for cannabis vs a person online with zero facts using its cemented info and all it’s “source” is a url google, shoot you corrected me, oh wait u didn’t . another reason why I hate forums
read their manual ppe,REI yeah soo “dangerous”. actually if u did look at it the danger level and what the ppe requires is soo little I can’t see any lower u would need to do for any foliar. this is what ur scared about ?
Is SuffOil-X safe for workers?
As with any product, care must be taken when handling it. SuffOil-X is labeled as a category III pesticide with the word Caution. SuffOil-X has a 4 hour Restricted Entry Interval (REI) and appropriate Personal Protective Equipment for re-entry during this time period is listed on the label.
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Before this goes too far.
Integrated Pest Managment requires the individual Integrate their Pest Managament with their lifestyle.
I emplore you both to bring this back on topic.
What about environment. Not sewn anyone mention that yet. Guessing it's hot for @Ramjet159 maybe the environment can be managed for this issue?
