Jewels, Rocks, Papers, Scissors

[finedakine]

This is awesome man 🔥 I was figuring that the sooner it gets upPotted the better seeing as time is of the essence. ? What u think

This is the high end of vpd.
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Some plants got a bit of pucker. View attachment 196207
Still top dressing and PK boosters only. Slow train on N, they are sucking the water back so fast I'm pretty sure they would blow themselves up. There is also strong evaporation from the media , I fear any salts I put in there would be rapidly left behind to accumulate.

Light is max 380, min 250, averaging around 330 PAR.

Plants are happy, I am happy.

Romulan×Grapefruit)(BloodySourTangie
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PinePomme
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A few stragglers, no real duds. I don't usually cull plants before their sex is determined, but I am not looking for males. View attachment 196210
Increase the container size, decrease numbers. There is only so many I can fit in that space. I am holding too many plants, and some of them need to go.
Still need to source cups, that will determine who fits and who don'ts.
Wind was howling this morning -35C w/the chill.
Above Zero tomorrow, shopping can wait. 😁
Plants are sturdy and milder weather is on the way, looking to get these on 12' as soon as possible.

Lotta speculation on herms.
I read a bit, I find everyone has their own ideas. Often cited, after genetics, is flowering immature plants.

For myself, 12's from seed does not make for herms. About to harvest my fifth run and I cant remember more than 2.
Putting down at least fifty plants, usually about 15 varieties.
Yeah, lotsa doubles and mixes, but we're talking about almost 250 plants, it's putting it under 1% .

It could be said that growing 12 from seed is not the same as flipping an immature plant. I would agree, and I am about to do it.

Being somewhat personally invested, my prediction conforms to my desired result.
That is to say, I am thinking it will turn out just fine.
I could be wrong
we will all be there when it happens

What a great thread! Im hooked on the experimenting! I used to do a lot more than I do now but you are quickly rekindling my curiosity. I've been kickin around trying bonsai on cuts from my mother's for a while now. I'd love to see shelves of bonsai beauties! I think your on the right track with your own project. Looking forward to seeing how this goes

 

[DopeDaniel]

Being somewhat personally invested

 

[Jewels]

Ok, so now what?

Now we smack it out of the park.

 

[Jewels]

rekindling my curiosity.

That is the best way to find out what works best for you.
I am fairly set in my groove with this sched, yet I do enjoy watching these little tweaks play out over time.

I'd love to see shelves of bonsai beauties!

Perfect! You have the end goal in sight, and you have all the skills to achieve. Bend it to your will.
Line up all those little duckies until you are there.
🐰

 

[Jewels]

I appreciate you guys. You are bringing happy times to my garden .

Good omens
Scarlet Queen has a four-leaved clover on her first hand.


Very rarely do I see five fingers. I observe it as the benchmark for ultra vigorous seedlings. With Billy as my witness, I have only seen it a handful of times.🐇

Ended up seeing it in a couple of my crosses, as well.
Happy to discover both of these Zamal× babies carry pairs of five.

Impressed with the brute amount of surface area on these ones. They are really setting up shop.


Still just tickled with my line-up.
I may have selected them quickly, but every one, chosen for a reason. Some old and some new, I seem to be enamored with all of them.

 

[Jewels]

So, as you can tell, I have been fretting about these new IPM products.
How will the vials survive shipping? How will the product survive freezing?
How will I dose such small amounts?
How will I store them without contaminating the supply?

A.
Its POWDER
Jeepers, I thought all this stuff was liquid.
I release an audible sigh of relief, when I open the package and discover the BotaniGard in dry form.

I took some radical steps in order to make my treatment more successful. I went full stop and skipped a full light cycle
I dropped the temperature down between 16 and 19 Celsius. Rather than a mass single application, I snuck into the room every 4 hours or so for mini treatments.
My motivation was to maintain hospitable humidity levels, in order to give the product time to take effect. I have never seen a humidity so high. The heaters eat up a lot of moisture, but even after I woke up the room was holding well
Looky looky, it is like a sauna in here.
Last night, I switched all my ballast down to 50% and hoisted the Lumineers up to the ceiling. Happy to report no ill effects from the treatment. Contrarily, all the plants seem to blow up in the dark.
Before treatment.

After treatment

 

[DopeDaniel]

So, as you can tell, I have been fretting about these new IPM products.
How will the vials survive shipping? How will the product survive freezing?
How will I dose such small amounts?
How will I store them without contaminating the supply?

A.
Its POWDER
Jeepers, I thought all this stuff was liquid.
I release an audible sigh of relief, when I open the package and discover the BotaniGard in dry form.

I took some radical steps in order to make my treatment more successful. I went full stop and skipped a full light cycle
I dropped the temperature down between 16 and 19 Celsius. Rather than a mass single application, I snuck into the room every 4 hours or so for mini treatments.
My motivation was to maintain hospitable humidity levels, in order to give the product time to take effect. I have never seen a humidity so high. The heaters eat up a lot of moisture, but even after I woke up the room was holding well View attachment 196730
Looky looky, it is like a sauna in here.
Last night, I switched all my ballast down to 50% and hoisted the Lumineers up to the ceiling. Happy to report no ill effects from the treatment. Contrarily, all the plants seem to blow up in the dark.
Before treatment.
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After treatment
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Beautiful strategy.
Vinerate and spinno are liquid, grandevo is granular. A syringe 💉 would make for fine long term storage and easy dosing of the liquids.

 

[Jewels]

That is me, waving back and grinning like an idiot.

Zamal×, looking mighty Canadian


Above ground now about 2 weeks.
Gotta move quick now on the up-pot, 2,3 more weeks and they will be sexed out and moved over to the East bed.

 

[Jewels]

"The following methods are currently used at the USDA-ARS-CMAVE laboratory in Gainesville, FL, to produce B. bassiana. Cultures are maintained on Sabouraud dextrose agar with yeast (SDYA). This can be made by following the recipe provided in Inglis et al. (2012), or from commercially available powders (see below). Stock solutions of newly acquired and currently used strains should be prepared and stored at −80°C "

Beauveria bassiana Culturing and Harvesting for Bioassays With House Flies

The entomopathogenic fungus Beauveria bassiana (Balsamo) Vuillemin (Hypocreales: Cordycipitaceae) has been widely studied against a wide range of arthropod pests, including many of medical and veterinary importance. New investigators must sort through ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It would appear that these guys are deep freezing their parent culture, for use when needed.
It leads me to assume that occasional freezing of the prepared product would not be a deal-breaker

 

[Jewels]

Last shots from the bassinet



Not a mo too soon
I can't keep them wet
The good , the bad, and he ugly






I guess I call that a win.
Roots are only gonna be found right where they wanna be.
The muck dome helped, some roots are exploring higher than usual.
Typically I am seeing more roots, in the same breath I am transplanting them earlier.
Thicker mixes have carried me further in the past, but these started in nearly straight coco. I thoroughly saturated everything 24 hours ago, and they are looking pretty dusty. I find coco wicks moisture very well, but when there's only so much to go around, there's only so much.
We are going to see that mud bed again. The air is just so dry, sitting on a wire rack I think those plants would start to level off or suffer about now.
Try'na learn stuff, and next time I will be mixing my starting mix a little heavier, that will help get me through. I think I have been moving them into bed late, and top heavy. Deeper pots and no more lingering plants in cells moving directly to bed. More aggressive culls are creating more space. Everything is getting up potted, before sex is determined.
I am aiming to on-board as much ballast as possible by bringing a larger root ball into the final show.
Below ground, they do appear fragile and suspect; obviously the roots are most happy in the bottom of the pot.
So what?
Two weeks old, today, and the canopy is looking boss

I got half of it moved up, try to finish off tomorrow.

 

[DopeDaniel]

"The following methods are currently used at the USDA-ARS-CMAVE laboratory in Gainesville, FL, to produce B. bassiana. Cultures are maintained on Sabouraud dextrose agar with yeast (SDYA). This can be made by following the recipe provided in Inglis et al. (2012), or from commercially available powders (see below). Stock solutions of newly acquired and currently used strains should be prepared and stored at −80°C "

Beauveria bassiana Culturing and Harvesting for Bioassays With House Flies

The entomopathogenic fungus Beauveria bassiana (Balsamo) Vuillemin (Hypocreales: Cordycipitaceae) has been widely studied against a wide range of arthropod pests, including many of medical and veterinary importance. New investigators must sort through ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It would appear that these guys are deep freezing their parent culture, for use when needed.
It leads me to assume that occasional freezing of the prepared product would not be a deal-breaker

Try'na learn stuff,

Thought you were gonna start collecting grasshoppers. 🤷‍♂️

 

[Jewels]

Mount. G


Romulan Grapefruit × Blood Sour Tangie


West bed is up-cupped.
Lighting needs have changed, and I need to decide where to shine what.
Need is increasing in West bed.
One (400 mh) fixture wont provide enough light with this footprint.

Need is diminished in Eastbed; reducing power.

Calender says seed pop'n time.
Synchro shuffle
Sprouts gotta go somewhere
Means West needs to relocate East
Means East gotta get chopped

 

[Jewels]

" wiggle wiggle "
That gif reminded me of lessons from my Father.
Long before I ever piloted vehicles, I learned how to operate them.
I suppose to help make me useful, around the farm and shop.
Simple, core procedures that have benefited me ever since.
Important lessons, if you turn the key first your vehicle could lurch. If you depress the clutch first, your vehicle could roll away.
Before you depress the clutch, and before you turn the key.
Wiggle Wiggle
If the gear selector can flap back and forth, left to right, the drivetrain cannot be engaged.
I froze the GIF at the part that reminds me of my dad. He had a whole barrel full of knowledge, but he knew that he couldn't pour it into my thimble of a brain.
He realized the implications and the mechanics, just as clearly as they are appearing in that gif, and equally important : the need to have me understand them.
At the time, Wiggle Wiggle, is all I needed to know. 🐇

 

[Jewels]

Happy Birthday @UncleB !

Did your outdoor Zamal survive the winter ? How did that end up?
The Z-crosses I am growing are absolutely the most vigorous in the garden.
48 hours after up-cup, they were tagging bottom.


400 PPFD @ centre
Zero Nitrogens given


They need to endure that space for another week. I still have more left to right space, but I will need two lamps to light it evenly.
IPM and temp drop tonight,,,
And I am still thinking about,,
@BH , these bio controls.
Common practice tells us to spray when it is cool, dark, and humid. These are strategies to increase dwell time and penetration. What about the bacteria itself?
I think of these things like eggs, or spores. As in, they need to incubate, and hatch.
Perhaps the product is forming a relationship with the host itself, and that provides an adequate environment. But I wonder if I need to maintain environmental conditions that will promote the effectiveness or gestation, as it were, for the product to germinate.

To the point, do these products require a minimum relative humidity in order to bloom?
I bottomed out at 16% rh today.

If I keep the lights out, and keep it cool enough, and spray often enough, I can keep the RH near 50 %
. But only on application day.

Is it possible that these products will be ineffective in such a dry garden?

 

[BH]

Happy Birthday @UncleB !

Did your outdoor Zamal survive the winter ? How did that end up?
The Z-crosses I am growing are absolutely the most vigorous in the garden.
48 hours after up-cup, they were tagging bottom.
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400 PPFD @ centre
Zero Nitrogens given
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They need to endure that space for another week. I still have more left to right space, but I will need two lamps to light it evenly.
IPM and temp drop tonight,,,
And I am still thinking about,,
@BH , these bio controls.
Common practice tells us to spray when it is cool, dark, and humid. These are strategies to increase dwell time and penetration. What about the bacteria itself?
I think of these things like eggs, or spores. As in, they need to incubate, and hatch.
Perhaps the product is forming a relationship with the host itself, and that provides an adequate environment. But I wonder if I need to maintain environmental conditions that will promote the effectiveness or gestation, as it were, for the product to germinate.

To the point, do these products require a minimum relative humidity in order to bloom?
I bottomed out at 16% rh today.

If I keep the lights out, and keep it cool enough, and spray often enough, I can keep the RH near 50 %
. But only on application day.

Is it possible that these products will be ineffective in such a dry garden?

botaniguard is using the insect as its food , it needs it or dies, but once attaches/eating the bug it becomes a living trap for next bug including when it’s dead.

your 100% right on measure the rh after spraying cause that’s the true number ur looking for. when I questioned company that males pfr97 the high rh they said it’s super easy to get that 80% rh even if room isn’t caused they are talking about canopy/sog rh ?

When plants are asleep the rh also raises, is ur rh that low even when lights are off?
are u using a wetting agent ? most of these biocontrols don’t put it in ( because if drenched or if mixing multi products u don’t wanna overdo it/cross compatibility) for organics/cannabis I highly suggest yucca extract for wetting agent , example raw npk yucca is 1/16th t per gallon

grandevo and venerate are both heat treated and aren’t alive, but their mode is super effective and also works on so many zones and also doesn’t hurt predators including bee’s. Key is with those two products is they have terps that attract and then do certain ISR/modes to deter/slow down reproduction rates and also poision them, reason why u don’t mix those two (Grandevo/venerate ) is simply because u are trying to rotate their terp attentions and diff attacks. The mode of attack botaniguard is it physically eats them alive and the fungus that stays there on their bodies also if insects if still alive touch that fungus they also get infected with it. They will physically turn fluffy white . botaniguard is if not best product I’ve used for aphids and many soft bodied bugs ( not mites)


for those three products they aren’t listed rh limits or temperature ,some biocontrols do, for example pfr97 requires to be above 80% rh (canopy rh). Grandevo /venerate & botaniguard aren’t limited on those enviromental . if that’s not what ur talking about or a diff product , only one I questioned maybe botaniguard is limited on rh but I can’t find anything in manual/label stating such.

if u see a spot where it states rh requirements I’m def interested !

 

[BH]

More cannabis labels /manuals for products u wanted? hope I’m helping

 

[Jewels]

hope I’m helping

Everything helps, and thank you.

I just found this.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285919379_Effect_of_climatic_factors_on_bioefficacy_of_biopesticides_in_insect_pest_management#:~:text=Some%20of%20the%20components%20of,and%20decrease%20in%20relative%20humidity.

Haven't read enough to understand much of it, yet.
Looks like a good read.
Take a look @DopeDaniel , they speak to elevation.

 

[Amarok]

they speak to elevation.

I see the part about elevated Colorado 2 in the text.

 

[DopeDaniel]

Wish they had more than 3 data points but it's not lookin good,

I see the part about elevated Colorado 2 in the text.

We're high af.

 

[BH]

doesn’t it say 1993 this was written? Just saying biocontrols have really been a newer thing of advantages ( for ag ) and they def didn’t have botaniguard then , think botaniguard was even found in Canada first (species) , in a lab

I’ll email them and ask? Emailed maker of botaniguard ur questions and gave screen shots of both of urs..