If we were to restart with landraces....

[AppleDeez]

In a hypothetical world where all preserved genetics were lost and we had to restart with landraces:
1. Do you think we would eventually end up with very similar genetics as now? Was this just the natural human forced evolution or would we have completely different genetics?
2. Assuming it won't have to be underground, how long until we get to the same or equivalent place as now?

 

[HFM]

In a hypothetical world where all preserved genetics were lost and we had to restart with landraces:
1. Do you think we would eventually end up with very similar genetics as now? Was this just the natural human forced evolution or would we have completely different genetics?
2. Assuming it won't have to be underground, how long until we get to the same or equivalent place as now?

So if you were under lights and keeping clones, then things could and would, with lots of selecting. It wouldn't take much time at all to have similar lines as what is being grown today.

 

[HBZ]

In a hypothetical world where all preserved genetics were lost and we had to restart with landraces:
1. Do you think we would eventually end up with very similar genetics as now? Was this just the natural human forced evolution or would we have completely different genetics?
2. Assuming it won't have to be underground, how long until we get to the same or equivalent place as now?

Sounds like ya smoked some good sativa. I've often thought about this and talked about it with others..As long as this hypothetical world had access to the Internet things would evolve rather quickly..Who knows if it would end up bottle necked into the cookie realm we live in now but it would evolve rather quickly and close ide assume

 

[pepperpicante]

Bag seeds have a crazy breeding track record. Some fire would definitely come out. You'd have different names though. Someone is probably going to put out at a 6-7 strain or something along those lines. Probably will still.

 

[RookieBuds]

I've often wondered this myself

Like, if you were able to get all the lineage that made the original Skunk #1 and cross those lines yourself, would your end result also be skunky? ---what we now know about phenotypic expression per plant, chances are slim to dick IMO

Also assuming we retain current knowledge of everything, but just wipe the slate with modern genetics and start over? --my 2 cents; we'd end up in some alternate-universe of strains that may slightly emulate what we know, but very likely wouldn't end up "the same"

I think we'd also get to those end results in half the time or less as before, given the quasi-legality of it vs. the strict illegality of the past.

 

[RookieBuds]

I, for one, would HATE if this happened because I am a huge fan of more modern polyhybrids than I am of older landrace/heirloom strains

 

[Frimpong]

Everything is selection

 

[AppleDeez]

Sounds like ya smoked some good sativa. I've often thought about this and talked about it with others..As long as this hypothetical world had access to the Internet things would evolve rather quickly..Who knows if it would end up bottle necked into the cookie realm we live in now but it would evolve rather quickly and close ide assume

Might be onto something with the sativa comment. My first thought was to search if there was a "random thought thread" and second thought was "this is too important of an idea to not have it's own thread"

 

[HBZ]

I, for one, would HATE if this happened because I am a huge fan of more modern polyhybrids than I am of older landrace/heirloom strains

Well assuming you could access beans via Internet....Cross a Thai sativa heirloom/LR and a Afghani heirloom/LR .Run that cross..make selections closer to what you like..Then ..cross a couple others..Perhaps a good African sativa with a Paki chital...Make selections again...Start crossing your selections ...Youd be in the ballpark of right back happy with what ya got...It wouldn't take long...F1 Polys are a crapshoot at best...Lots of good and bad...Going right back to selection no matter what..I've had countless poly plants ide definitely trash over a heirloom x10. I've seen countless polys that make heirloom/landrace look dumb.. without proper selection nothing is worth extending

 

[AppleDeez]

My initial thoughts are:
1. With the quasi-legality and internet I think people would hunt out the best selection in record time.
2. I do think we would see a similar evolution as the genetics would trend toward commercially friendly genetics.

 

[frijoles]

Interesting. I'm hoping to do the opposite. Creating new landrace strains from from newer genetics sound like a blast to me.

 

[AppleDeez]

Interesting. I'm hoping to do the opposite. Creating new landrace strains from from newer genetics sound like a blast to me.

Well now my mind is blown. If we wiped out modern genetics and everyone was growing landrace, then would the genetics be landrace to where we are growing them.

 

[frijoles]

Well that's sorta the idea. The original landrace strains were still selected by locals(possibly not human) whether or not they knew they were doing it. I don't think you need to wipe out any genetics. Just select what you like from whatever grows well where you are and keep doing that for years and before too long you will have a Wisconsin Polk County zone 4 landrace. For example. It's still very illegal to grow in WI but you get the idea. We do this with beans and squash tomatoes etc. Permaculture!

I would love to forage for good wild weed someday. I also have dreams of hopsweedsvines naturally occurring due to hybridization with wild hops. Like a hops vine with juicy buds where the hops usually are.

 

[frijoles]

To answer your questions my guesses would be...

1. I think both. Same and completely different genetics.
2. Kinda follows 1. Being underground must have influenced selection and breeding. Selection and breeding would likely have been more varied than mostly just high THC if had been legal and no big deal. More people would have grown and selected what worked for them. But also it might just be like tomatoes where only a few people really cared and most people are like whatever it's just tomatoes.

 

[HBZ]

Interesting. I'm hoping to do the opposite. Creating new landrace strains from from newer genetics sound like a blast to me.

You mean crossing newly accessible landrace genetics and crossing them together?

 

[HBZ]

Well now my mind is blown. If we wiped out modern genetics and everyone was growing landrace, then would the genetics be landrace to where we are growing them.

I'm so glad I'm not high right now..This may have gotten me stuck

 

[HBZ]

Well that's sorta the idea. The original landrace strains were still selected by locals(possibly not human) whether or not they knew they were doing it. I don't think you need to wipe out any genetics. Just select what you like from whatever grows well where you are and keep doing that for years and before too long you will have a Wisconsin Polk County zone 4 landrace. For example. It's still very illegal to grow in WI but you get the idea. We do this with beans and squash tomatoes etc. Permaculture!

I would love to forage for good wild weed someday. I also have dreams of hopsweedsvines naturally occurring due to hybridization with wild hops. Like a hops vine with juicy buds where the hops usually are.

I've grown hops quite a few seasons...Damn they smell good..You ever chew on a fresh green hop...WOW...intense

 

[frijoles]

You mean crossing newly accessible landrace genetics and crossing them together?

Not exactly. More like using whatever genetics you want to create new landrace strains adapted to specific areas and growing conditions. Basically creating new wild strains but starting with whatever genetics you want. Endless potential.

I love the smell of hops. Just fun plants to grow in general. And perennial. They used to give hop workers stimulants to keep them awake because they are so calming and sleep inducing.

 

[RookieBuds]

If I were to "make up" a landrace, I'd want to create something that grows well in the South Pacific & can handle the conditions of being grown on an atoll probably would need to be some type of ruderalis cross I'm guessing, I believe they only get 12-ish hours daily

 

[Captain Sternn]

If I were to "make up" a landrace, I'd want to create something that grows well in the South Pacific & can handle the conditions of being grown on an atoll probably would need to be some type of ruderalis cross I'm guessing, I believe they only get 12-ish hours daily

I had a similar thought, and wondered if there was an existing landrace from that region of the world. Ace seeds has a New Caledonia strain that might be one ? Bud would def be a necessary component of my atoll life, lol just as it is anyway.