1st indoor after 30 years outdoor, accid. reveg. turns monster crop?

BioBuds

In Bloom
Hi my green-minded friends,

Thank you for visiting my grow diary. I hope you can find helpful things and learn from my mishaps and experiments in a new setup. If you also are growing Gelato 33 Fast or have a similar grow setup or you encounter accidental revegging and are forced to monster crop while previously having never heard of this, welcome to this account of an adventure with plot twists and suspense.

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Three clones of Gelato 33 by Advanced Seeds in different stages, will it ever become a single canopy?​

Next to getting to know my grow setup, I'm working with new soil composition, a hybrid between coco and super soil. Also were trying out our compost tea made from comfrey. So these are a lot of variables and stuff to potentially go wrong. Also with our soil type, it should correct itself, but my PH and PPm meters aren't in yet so I will start the grow with some guesswork on the feed, for the 1st four weeks we should be ok with the starting nutrients.

The Setup:

My grow space is a Spiderfarmer 4.5 x 2 x 6.5 (140 x 70 x 200), not a standard width a little wider, which later gives me limited choices in grow lights so we'll get to that later. I chose this because it fits the space I had available and my friend had experiences with a square tent, that it's harder to reach the plants in the back.

Findings so far about the tent: I expected a little more quality from a tent in the higher range. Zippers are ok, but my friend's smaller rectangular tent from Secret Jardin has sidebars preventing the tent from sucking in, and I'm losing about a foot of grow space in the center of the tent. So I will have to fix this before plants get bigger, so the tent so far literally sucks.... Don't choose this option from Spider Farmer.

In this grow diary, which are the accounts of my first indoor grow in a new setup, I work with the Rubol V3 QBs 3 x 100 Watt in a self-made frame. Since my space is rectangular and longer than the 1.20 m standard (1.40 (4.5 ft)), I chose to make a custom board. I was looking at others like the Mars Hydro SP 3000 but the light is a meter wide so left and right I would have 20 cm of less lighted space. I then ordered the lights: RUBOL SAMSUNG LM301B QUANTUM BOARD V3 + CREE XP-E2 660NM+730NM 300W DIY KIT - Rubol groothandel in led verlichting voor horticultuur and had an old storage cabinet which I used parts of to make a frame for the lights. It looks shabby but it's sturdy and it works.

So far I'm pleased with the lights. After first installing them I was very disappointed with the results, however, after checking with Justin at Rubol I had made the mistake of not installing them in serial so the boards were getting a total of 100 Watts instead of 100 Watts per board from the driver. After hitting the switch it was as if the heavens had opened and shone down on me. Checking with the PAR meters on my phone I was in the correct lux and PPF readings, for as far as phone apps go.

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The Soil:

After following Mr. Canuck on Youtube and his experiences with Subcools',- and Master Marks' super soil recipes, my own experiences with permaculture growing in the backyard, and a fondness of organically grown weed, I had decided to formulate my own super soil with what I had available. In Europe, we don't have Fox Farms Ocean Soil or Gaia green supplements, so I faked it with my own mix and ended up with a hybrid mix that remains airy and light needs only a few amendments later in the growth and the plants seem happy. My friend at the time, was growing in Batmix and similar and had all kinds of trouble with growing until he switched to the new soil and his plants took off. (this recipe is a simplified version in my next grow I have tuned it and will share my recipe) .

When I received his clones, they also took the new soil instantly, and instead of being stressed by the move by car, into new lights (formerly blurples) they exploded as you can see in the next weeks. Even though, as we later discovered, there was a catch with these clones...

Soil mix: 30 % cocopeat, 30% Bi Grow Biosoil by Atami, and 30% worm castings. I had opted for fewer worm castings however, there was no soil available except these bags so topped it off. It proved to be a happy little accident. I can seriously recommend this soil combination to any starting grower, just add water the first 4 weeks (with the right PH)

The Nutrients:

I had bought some BAC Biotablets to crush as topdress to replace the Gaia green amendment Canuck was adding. Also, we have our own comfrey compost tea in the garden, later in the diary I will make a small video of how to make it, or at least how I made it. Which although smelling horrible, works well with soil PH and surprising little smell in the tent. More like a full musky smell of Greenhouse and weed. I've grown to love the smell of farming in the morning :p

So the crushed Bio tabs are for when the soil mix I started with has lost its starting nutrients.

In the meantime, I add some BAC Calmag to support the extra need for the light. I also add some extra mils of Green Sensation by Plagron, just for the PK. I switch between Plagron and BAC for growing and blooming food. I also amend with some wood ash during flower.

To conclude: I use Topmax and sugar sirup during flowering to help develop bud growth and terps.

The Genetics:

My friend has been growing indoor for some time now and had made me a clone from a cutting. These are Gelato #33 Fast by Advanced Seeds.
So with clones, I could have a rolling start and skip the whole seedling stage. A shortcut that would have some implications.
They seem a forgiving strain even under harsh circumstances, ideal for beginners like me.

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the largest clone at her former caretaker's grow room.

So we're off on our little adventure. Thank you for reading and please follow me if you like to see my mishaps and victories to come as I try to find my ideal way with this setup.​
 

JL2G

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Hi my green-minded friends,

Thank you for visiting my grow diary. I hope you can find helpful things and learn from my mishaps and experiments in a new setup. If you also are growing Gelato 33 Fast or have a similar grow setup or you encounter accidental revegging and are forced to monster crop while previously having never heard of this, welcome to this account of an adventure with plot twists and suspense.

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Three clones of Gelato 33 by Advanced Seeds in different stages, will it ever become a single canopy?​

Next to getting to know my grow setup, I'm working with new soil composition, a hybrid between coco and super soil. Also were trying out our compost tea made from comfrey. So these are a lot of variables and stuff to potentially go wrong. Also with our soil type, it should correct itself, but my PH and PPm meters aren't in yet so I will start the grow with some guesswork on the feed, for the 1st four weeks we should be ok with the starting nutrients.

The Setup:

My grow space is a Spiderfarmer 4.5 x 2 x 6.5 (140 x 70 x 200), not a standard width a little wider, which later gives me limited choices in grow lights so we'll get to that later. I chose this because it fits the space I had available and my friend had experiences with a square tent, that it's harder to reach the plants in the back.

Findings so far about the tent: I expected a little more quality from a tent in the higher range. Zippers are ok, but my friend's smaller rectangular tent from Secret Jardin has sidebars preventing the tent from sucking in, and I'm losing about a foot of grow space in the center of the tent. So I will have to fix this before plants get bigger, so the tent so far literally sucks.... Don't choose this option from Spider Farmer.

In this grow diary, which are the accounts of my first indoor grow in a new setup, I work with the Rubol V3 QBs 3 x 100 Watt in a self-made frame. Since my space is rectangular and longer than the 1.20 m standard (1.40 (4.5 ft)), I chose to make a custom board. I was looking at others like the Mars Hydro SP 3000 but the light is a meter wide so left and right I would have 20 cm of less lighted space. I then ordered the lights: RUBOL SAMSUNG LM301B QUANTUM BOARD V3 + CREE XP-E2 660NM+730NM 300W DIY KIT - Rubol groothandel in led verlichting voor horticultuur and had an old storage cabinet which I used parts of to make a frame for the lights. It looks shabby but it's sturdy and it works.

So far I'm pleased with the lights. After first installing them I was very disappointed with the results, however, after checking with Justin at Rubol I had made the mistake of not installing them in serial so the boards were getting a total of 100 Watts instead of 100 Watts per board from the driver. After hitting the switch it was as if the heavens had opened and shone down on me. Checking with the PAR meters on my phone I was in the correct lux and PPF readings, for as far as phone apps go.

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The Soil:

After following Mr. Canuck on Youtube and his experiences with Subcools',- and Master Marks' super soil recipes, my own experiences with permaculture growing in the backyard, and a fondness of organically grown weed, I had decided to formulate my own super soil with what I had available. In Europe, we don't have Fox Farms Ocean Soil or Gaia green supplements, so I faked it with my own mix and ended up with a hybrid mix that remains airy and light needs only a few amendments later in the growth and the plants seem happy. My friend at the time, was growing in Batmix and similar and had all kinds of trouble with growing until he switched to the new soil and his plants took off. (this recipe is a simplified version in my next grow I have tuned it and will share my recipe) .

When I received his clones, they also took the new soil instantly, and instead of being stressed by the move by car, into new lights (formerly blurples) they exploded as you can see in the next weeks. Even though, as we later discovered, there was a catch with these clones...

Soil mix: 30 % cocopeat, 30% Bi Grow Biosoil by Atami, and 30% worm castings. I had opted for fewer worm castings however, there was no soil available except these bags so topped it off. It proved to be a happy little accident. I can seriously recommend this soil combination to any starting grower, just add water the first 4 weeks (with the right PH)

The Nutrients:

I had bought some BAC Biotablets to crush as topdress to replace the Gaia green amendment Canuck was adding. Also, we have our own comfrey compost tea in the garden, later in the diary I will make a small video of how to make it, or at least how I made it. Which although smelling horrible, works well with soil PH and surprising little smell in the tent. More like a full musky smell of Greenhouse and weed. I've grown to love the smell of farming in the morning :p

So the crushed Bio tabs are for when the soil mix I started with has lost its starting nutrients.

In the meantime, I add some BAC Calmag to support the extra need for the light. I also add some extra mils of Green Sensation by Plagron, just for the PK. I switch between Plagron and BAC for growing and blooming food. I also amend with some wood ash during flower.

To conclude: I use Topmax and sugar sirup during flowering to help develop bud growth and terps.

The Genetics:

My friend has been growing indoor for some time now and had made me a clone from a cutting. These are Gelato #33 Fast by Advanced Seeds.
So with clones, I could have a rolling start and skip the whole seedling stage. A shortcut that would have some implications.
They seem a forgiving strain even under harsh circumstances, ideal for beginners like me.

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the largest clone at her former caretaker's grow room.

So we're off on our little adventure. Thank you for reading and please follow me if you like to see my mishaps and victories to come as I try to find my ideal way with this setup.​
Heck yeah man, do it to it. Grow them girlies big and beautiful.
 

BioBuds

In Bloom
Week 1 - Vegetation

Thanks to my friend who gave me three clones of Gelato 33 I have a rolling start, also some conditions are not ideal: The clones were a bit wet, also fungus gnats because of this. Bit crappy in new grow room. The clones are not of the same age. But who complains about free clones. Let them acclimatize for a couple of days. Soil is a mix of coco coir, worm castings, and be grow bio grow mix, with some extra fish mix, has a couple of weeks of organic food in them, see for specifics the intro in the Germination stage.

Now I'm just watering with Plagron Root booster, Plagron Green Sensation, and Calmag, I have some purple stems. I give them 1 liter per plant per 3 days, a little less for the smaller plants, a little more for the bigger ones. Later I'm going to use homemade compost tea made with comfrey and nettle in combination with topdressing with BAC Flowerbooster, BAC bio tabs, supplemented with Biobizz Topmax. Big plant is already fimmed by the previous owner on my request.

They also had flowers and the single petals of revegging problem. Turns out they had been in 16 hrs schedule and as smaller plants surrounded by bigger ones, had not had enough light and began flowering. All three plants had this.

Although all these inherited problems, enough to make some strains give up, after the move, change of lights (from blurple), change of soil and change of food, I can clearly see the plants are stressed but they still give growth.

Hats of the strain but also the soil. Which has proven itself already and causing my friend to copy the recipe and see enormous growth instantly.

So we learned a lot already. Since I was planning to do a SOG or SCROG. I fimmed the smaller plants but now we shall have the prep the SOG for super cropping.

Week 2 - Vegetation

Started stress training / manifolding the older clone. Also, cause of space limitations and in effort to let the other two catch up. I fimmed the other two. The older clone was already fimmed by the previous owner at my request. I water the plants 1 liter for the smaller ones every 3 days. And one and a half for the big one every three days. Could go more but trying to keep the soil as dry as possible to get rid of fungus gnats.

I can already see the effects of the revegging as all plants are making single-fingered new growth. My friend had kept them (for noise and sleeps next to it) on a 16-hour schedule. They didn't seem to like this and are now stressed and it turned out not only stressed...

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Experienced growers can already see the problem here.

Week 3 - Vegetation

Some light stress and companions planted (calendula, catnip, and comfrey). Catnip has germinated, calendula was seedling when planted. Comfrey hasn't germinated, note to self, pre germinate companions for better coverage during vegetative. For light stress I turned down the lights and plants seem to enjoy. Growth is way faster, plants have caught up with plants from the same tent at the previous owner/giver of clones. Although I found out I have way too high PH. Coming watering just with tap water and some calmag.

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Some light stress and first companion sees light of day: a baby Calendula.​


Week 4 - Vegetation


So in the middle of correcting the ph problem, the gnat problem, and recovering from the light stress, still much new growth and growth overall. Gnats are almost gone with the watering regime. Soon I will topdress the soil and set them into flowering mode. Maybe 2 or 3 weeks, depending on how the biggest lady will fill out the tent. I'm trying to find my way with this indoor stuff... Way more hands-on than my outdoor grows... Well, we shall see if I'm coming to like this or my setup goes on our version of Craigslist...

The single-fingered leaves are still getting more so not revegged yet.

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They seem to take well to the new soil, but the middle plant keeps making more single-digit leaves.
 

BioBuds

In Bloom
Week 5 - Vegetation

So last week I grossly underestimated the 'sour power' of my homemade compost tea. So I ended up with a ph of 4, I had missed it since I'm still waiting for my PH meter but the weird red hue on the leaves and loss of the vibrant green colors told me something was amiss.

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Time for some further training and 1 round defoliation, trying this, outdoor I never had to do this.
So I made a solution of Baking powder and compensated the watered soil with that mix. Also, I sprayed the leaves with a high phosphorous feed to give them their daily dose without having to wait for the next feed after neutralizing soil.

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So I went to town on them. Sad little planties...
In the first images, you can see growth was never really stunted. Most of the wild growth and strange leaves were from the revegging which had happened before clones were given to me. But you can see the vibrant greens are returning.

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The next day they had recovered already and are forming a canopy, notice with very little tying...​

Normally I would have done some selected pruning earlier. Because of all the stress management (on top: plants were also fimmed last week) I had thought it better to give them some rest.

But the tent will be too small soon and I don't want the undergrowth to get too big and use up all the food so now all was stabilized, I went for it and defoliated a bit heavier. Some selective pruning on hidden and lower branches and t finish some super cropping and HST to direct the buds down and out again.



Week 6 - Vegetation

After another week of balancing PH and nutes, I came to the conclusion that I have a Sulphur shortage. The purple lines on the stems, reddish hue on the leaves. The nutes in the bi grow and coco peat earth will have been depleted after 6 to 7 weeks so I started topdressing with crushed BAC tablets on the earth.

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I also made a leaf spray with some Epsom salt to remedy immediate sulfur depletion. Instantly the greens began returning. What a difference in just a couple of days.

7.5 weeks and 9 weeks are now their respective ages. With this knowledge, the smaller ones could go for another week...

The lush greens are returning. The larger plant really wants to go and I'm at a point now that with a couple of days I'm gonna let her. The smaller ones will stretch a little too so let's hope it all fills the tent. The bigger plant is fighting for space with them so it's time...

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Companion plants Im testing: catnip, red clover, calendula.

Can't wait for flowering and harvest!


Week 7 - Vegetation

A week further and have started the flowering. I write this a couple of days later, with now more knowledge about revegging and can conclude I started to flower too early. Especially the big plant, which was still not completely revegged. I doubt if she ever will.

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On the upside, I got to learn lots about revegging, also to know that it might take weeks for the plants to make the switch again and produce buds :(, should have waited a few more weeks for revegging done. So wet on with defoliating, the left plant on the pictures I still have to do and trained bud sites more sideways and some leaf tucking, strategic defoliation on top.

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We shall see. The plants are not happy and I'm going to feed them some Biobizz Alg-A-Mic to help them destress and ease the suffering, thankfully my friend gave me some. I will do another update after coming feed and recovery.

As a tip, if you ever go re-veg a plant: let them finish the process.

I can see the monster growth of lots of micro bud sites developing in the canopy. Hopefully, with enough time they will develop into a sea of chunky danky goodness.

The lights I put a little higher, for safety, while I'm adjusting the dimmer to full, to let them acclimatize to the full light. No light points yet after two days, not even the leaves curling up like in the beginning. Some things go well...

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BioBuds

In Bloom
Week 8 - Flowering

So we are a week into flowering now. Saw 10 cm of growth, where the temp meter is now covered. Also installed a homemade scrog net to keep filling out the tent, instead of height. The middle plant definitely goes faster into flowering (it already had the flowers in revegging), since it revegged as clone, but this was one was bigger, I think it needed more time to completely reveg. Especially since this is a fast flowering kind. So it could be it somewhere just quits making buds because it never really quit flowering. Let's hope for a monster cropped sea of compact nugs.

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Homemade scrog net. It is starting to look like a canopy.​

The other ones just had revegged (it just had been forming 5 fingered leaves again) and were then battered into flowering again.... Would it have hurt to let them a couple of weeks more adjusting? No of course not. I'm just an impatient bud herder that wants the girls in the barn before winter.... Lesson learned, give them more time. For now, with officially 5 weeks of flowering to go... Let's see where this ends...

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So I crafted a scrog net, not perfect yet, but will do for now. Took of all the lower bud sites and underside leafs second time since flowering. I did two stages to see how they would fill out and after I could better see what buds had a fighting chance and what buds were going to be larf fodder...

Overall I find my two younger ladies a bit on the pale/lime side... Maybe cause I keep plucking older leaves off.... Well, I'm going to let them be now, only further stress training them under the net, maybe a leaf when it's covering a budding site, but want to give it a few weeks peace now, to develop its precious cargo.


Week 9 - Flowering

Ok, we're on the edge of too high temps for this week as we are having a warm week with temps over 30 degrees Celcius. So with the fans on full blast, I've managed to keep it below 30... Should be fine, massive growth, and massive bud growth. The monster crop is honoring its name with loads of bud sites in the scrog. And we have at least 4 more weeks to go. So it should deliver some nice nugs, although this strain is not a high yielder in any diary in here.

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Wouldnt advise on this gelato from Advanced Seeds so far, although it kept itself well with all the stuff going on, I don't see anyone getting big yields with this strain. No matter the setup....

If you want bigger yields with Gelato #33 by Advanced Seeds, you should let it veg for 2 weeks, then let it flower for 2 weeks, then get them back in veg for 4 weeks and start flowering again. Now it won't shoot into the air with weird internodal spacing.

You see with the other two plants who only flowered for one of two weeks, then revegged, they still have the high off-shooting buds so sweet spot is 3,5 weeks flowering or flowering from seed, then switching to veg for 4 weeks and before it can make the full transfer, switch it back. We shall see the end result and the difference between older and younger clones.

I've been amending the compost tea made of comfrey with wood ash since flowering has started, not only does it bring the PH of the compost tea back up, so I can use more of it, it also provides some extra P and K. I'm careful not to overdo it to sustain all the life in the tea and the soil. Since wood ash in itself is very alkaline.

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Trichomes have started
I do like how they fill out nicely, how the soil is providing buffer and how they have recovered, nice lush green, all leafs intact, and little sign of deficiency.
So I topdressed the soil with a layer of worm castings, some more crushed BAC tablets, and heavy on the Green Sensation.

I defoliated some more so we have nice lollipops going and results in bud growth instantly, also removed tiny bud sites on the underside.

Halfway 3rd week I experiment with lights 5 cm lower, I'm now in the 800 ppfd range, no white points yet...

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Week 10 - Flowering


The end of the fourth week. Only 2,5 to 3 weeks to go since this is the FAST version of Gelato 33 by Advanced seeds. Last week temps were better, so that was a lot better to manage. The smell is a different story. We are trying to combat it as we speak with a double filter which my friend still had from a previous grow.

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The ladies are performing, however, because this is a monster crop with many bud sites, none of them will be very big. We anticipate a lot of cutting come harvest time. The stickiness and smell (cookies, dough, herbs, spices, gingerbread, vanilla) promise a lot to make up for that hopefully!!

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The middle plant that seemed to go fastest now looks like to have the hardest time flowering. Her more advanced stage of flowering as a bigger clone made it harder for her to return to veg, which she never really did. This seems to make her want to rush to the finish, as she is already browning the pistils. Also, these buds seem more flakey, popcorny. As if the many flowers and grapelike bundled growth was too much for her.

I put the light a little closer, to help her fatten up in the time she is given. I never expected the two 'runts' to outperform the mighty middle clone, but they seem to fatten up and age much more nicely.

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So for now, preliminary tip: make sure all your plants are completely revegged before flowering and consider that faster flowering species might have some ruderalis ancestry that might side rail all your lighting intentions and remain in flower whatever the growers lighting schedule.

So with at least two more weeks for the two outer plants, and well see how many for the middle one, we are going to make them as comfortable as possible with the final push of this flowering.



Week 11 - Flowering

So... welcome back! Last week was rather uneventful. Just the way I like it. They are all getting more substance though. The middle one is leafier, the two outer ones are more developed, and although the biggest buds are maybe only the size of a lighter. Most buds have filled out with calixes and only little leaves. They are dense and compact.

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The smell is getting heavier. When close to the buds it reminds of expensive herbal perfumes like Rabanne. I distinctly have a 'hug from your poppa' kind of association with it and memories start flowing....

It is citrussy but in an ethereal way, it is spicy in the 'spice trader way, a mixture of ginger, cinnamon, black pepper, with a huge funky baseline. This combined, it's as if a master perfumer had composed an exquisite fragrance. The funk of an attic full of weed to serve as the musky base undertones upon which, a layer of earthy spices, upon which a floral and citrusy fresh layer. It is bloody amazing and I wished ya'll were with me to smell it and taste it when the time has come. I want to exercise patience but my god this smells better than any weed I recently acquired and we have some excellent dispensaries here.

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So I've started giving them up to 4 liters ( a gallon) of water each, every two days or so. They seem to need it, no drooping but also bonedry earth till deep in the pot. Since two days ago with less feed and today only the Biobizz Topmax and PH correction. Although not really convinced of flushing, I'm trying it to see if I get a more pure taste and experience.


So trichome wise I find it hard to see, my magnifier is not strong enough to see the individual trichomes. I do see areas on leaf edges etc that seem more amber, trichomes look milky from this distance but have gotten a better magnifier to get a better view. On the images I see that there are many clear ones and not many ambers so we have some weeks to go which is correct according to Advanced Seeds, this Gelato #33 Fast has to flower 45 to 55 days, We are on day 39...


The plant itself seems utterly healthy. Some white points and very little heat stress from checking the absolute minimum for these lights. You don't know until you find out. For anyone else looking for reviews on Rubol V3 100 watt QB's in a three in a row setup, with 10 cm spacing between each board, the minimal distance is 28 cm or one foot, when flowering, gradually lowering to this point btw. These lights are excellent, good value for money and with the two years of warranty a good investment. Also great service from Justin at www.rubol.nl. They are helpful, considerate, and very knowledgeable.

So far so good, the grand finale is coming in just one or two weeks and I want to thank you for taking time and reading all this, wish you were here for the harvest party and may your harvest be bountiful!!
 

BioBuds

In Bloom
Heck yeah man, do it to it. Grow them girlies big and beautiful.
:cool:(y):giggle:

Nice time machine grow lol!
Indoors is a whole differant animal to outdoors for sure, you seems to be making the leap efficiently.
Yes it was, much more hands-on, and in a way also not. Different challenges but definitely less forgiving if not all is in the optimal zone. Thank you for the compliment.
To be honest I had practised with trying to fix all the problems of a mates grow.
 
Hi my green-minded friends,

Thank you for visiting my grow diary. I hope you can find helpful things and learn from my mishaps and experiments in a new setup. If you also are growing Gelato 33 Fast or have a similar grow setup or you encounter accidental revegging and are forced to monster crop while previously having never heard of this, welcome to this account of an adventure with plot twists and suspense.

View attachment 87509
Three clones of Gelato 33 by Advanced Seeds in different stages, will it ever become a single canopy?​

Next to getting to know my grow setup, I'm working with new soil composition, a hybrid between coco and super soil. Also were trying out our compost tea made from comfrey. So these are a lot of variables and stuff to potentially go wrong. Also with our soil type, it should correct itself, but my PH and PPm meters aren't in yet so I will start the grow with some guesswork on the feed, for the 1st four weeks we should be ok with the starting nutrients.

The Setup:

My grow space is a Spiderfarmer 4.5 x 2 x 6.5 (140 x 70 x 200), not a standard width a little wider, which later gives me limited choices in grow lights so we'll get to that later. I chose this because it fits the space I had available and my friend had experiences with a square tent, that it's harder to reach the plants in the back.

Findings so far about the tent: I expected a little more quality from a tent in the higher range. Zippers are ok, but my friend's smaller rectangular tent from Secret Jardin has sidebars preventing the tent from sucking in, and I'm losing about a foot of grow space in the center of the tent. So I will have to fix this before plants get bigger, so the tent so far literally sucks.... Don't choose this option from Spider Farmer.

In this grow diary, which are the accounts of my first indoor grow in a new setup, I work with the Rubol V3 QBs 3 x 100 Watt in a self-made frame. Since my space is rectangular and longer than the 1.20 m standard (1.40 (4.5 ft)), I chose to make a custom board. I was looking at others like the Mars Hydro SP 3000 but the light is a meter wide so left and right I would have 20 cm of less lighted space. I then ordered the lights: RUBOL SAMSUNG LM301B QUANTUM BOARD V3 + CREE XP-E2 660NM+730NM 300W DIY KIT - Rubol groothandel in led verlichting voor horticultuur and had an old storage cabinet which I used parts of to make a frame for the lights. It looks shabby but it's sturdy and it works.

So far I'm pleased with the lights. After first installing them I was very disappointed with the results, however, after checking with Justin at Rubol I had made the mistake of not installing them in serial so the boards were getting a total of 100 Watts instead of 100 Watts per board from the driver. After hitting the switch it was as if the heavens had opened and shone down on me. Checking with the PAR meters on my phone I was in the correct lux and PPF readings, for as far as phone apps go.

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The Soil:

After following Mr. Canuck on Youtube and his experiences with Subcools',- and Master Marks' super soil recipes, my own experiences with permaculture growing in the backyard, and a fondness of organically grown weed, I had decided to formulate my own super soil with what I had available. In Europe, we don't have Fox Farms Ocean Soil or Gaia green supplements, so I faked it with my own mix and ended up with a hybrid mix that remains airy and light needs only a few amendments later in the growth and the plants seem happy. My friend at the time, was growing in Batmix and similar and had all kinds of trouble with growing until he switched to the new soil and his plants took off. (this recipe is a simplified version in my next grow I have tuned it and will share my recipe) .

When I received his clones, they also took the new soil instantly, and instead of being stressed by the move by car, into new lights (formerly blurples) they exploded as you can see in the next weeks. Even though, as we later discovered, there was a catch with these clones...

Soil mix: 30 % cocopeat, 30% Bi Grow Biosoil by Atami, and 30% worm castings. I had opted for fewer worm castings however, there was no soil available except these bags so topped it off. It proved to be a happy little accident. I can seriously recommend this soil combination to any starting grower, just add water the first 4 weeks (with the right PH)

The Nutrients:

I had bought some BAC Biotablets to crush as topdress to replace the Gaia green amendment Canuck was adding. Also, we have our own comfrey compost tea in the garden, later in the diary I will make a small video of how to make it, or at least how I made it. Which although smelling horrible, works well with soil PH and surprising little smell in the tent. More like a full musky smell of Greenhouse and weed. I've grown to love the smell of farming in the morning :p

So the crushed Bio tabs are for when the soil mix I started with has lost its starting nutrients.

In the meantime, I add some BAC Calmag to support the extra need for the light. I also add some extra mils of Green Sensation by Plagron, just for the PK. I switch between Plagron and BAC for growing and blooming food. I also amend with some wood ash during flower.

To conclude: I use Topmax and sugar sirup during flowering to help develop bud growth and terps.

The Genetics:

My friend has been growing indoor for some time now and had made me a clone from a cutting. These are Gelato #33 Fast by Advanced Seeds.
So with clones, I could have a rolling start and skip the whole seedling stage. A shortcut that would have some implications.
They seem a forgiving strain even under harsh circumstances, ideal for beginners like me.

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the largest clone at her former caretaker's grow room.

So we're off on our little adventure. Thank you for reading and please follow me if you like to see my mishaps and victories to come as I try to find my ideal way with this setup.​
I have some questions about your setup... LMAO I'm just kidding I think I got it. Best of luck with your kick ass grow. I'll be watching.
 

BioBuds

In Bloom
You're off to a helluva start the canopy fell right into place
With a bit of training and these Gelato's let themselves be trained like circus animals to be honest, dream to work with looking back.

I have some questions about your setup... LMAO I'm just kidding I think I got it. Best of luck with your kick ass grow. I'll be watching.
Yeah Im a bit detailed, but should ou need it, I can supply temps, humidity, amount of feed and what nutes, TDS, PH and growth as well for every week :cool:
Thank you @Sammy Snakeskins for taking the time to read it even though long. I will watch this with my next journals!

Thanks all, for the likes and support!!
 

BioBuds

In Bloom
Week 12 - Flowering


We are at 5 and a half weeks of flower. I'm taking it day by day now. Some buds show amber and I'm waiting until most good buds have the amber, but not too much. Considering stacked harvest, logistical problems with drying and growing at the same time make me want to harvest all in one go.

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Trying to figure out how I can keep temps around 15 and RH around 65 at start drying to prolong the dry times... Don't have an air conditioner and don't have a dehumidifier. I do have a humidifier... So I will be nursing them through this time, trying to stretch the cure/dry as long as I can.

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I will update as the week progresses with new images of the trichomes. We are nearing the end of week 6, which is tomorrow. I have been flushing all week, the ladies still look steady. Some yellowing has started on the middle plant, but only one or two buds. They have some life in them.

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The trichomes are going milky, one or two buds on the middle plant show some amber, but only on some leaves.​



The left plant is a little behind on the other two, like a day or two. Still watching the trichomes.


Week 13 - Flowering

Beginning of week 7, 6 full weeks of flower done, they should be ready this or next week. Trichomes are still mostly milky with few to no ambers. Some clear also still there. Found some larf hiding but able to reach the light so they are also fattening.

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Really hard to estimate how much it is going to be.

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Details about the grow and setup:

- 300 watt lights in 3 100 watt boards, 252 LM301b with 12 Cree. Thats one board per plant basically, giving 850 ppfd on average on canopy level.
- 140 cm (4.5 ft) by 70 cm (2ft) by 200 cm (6.5 ft) growtent.
- Temps have been stable, so has humidity but 10 % more than I would want in this stage of flower, at 50 to 55 %. Nugs feel dense though, compact and weight to it.
- middle plant has more buds, but are more larfy and little less dense.
- all buds have sprouted little mini buds on them adding weight
- Underlayer of buds are all less dense and more larfy.

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Week 14 - Flowering
I've been doing the whole Sherlock thing with the magnifier and nope.... no trichomes amber yet.... My magnifier is just not strong enough and apparently, my eyesight is bollocks or my arms are too short... On the images ( I also have onset Parkinsons as it seems, thus I used a tripod and low and behold: a still shot) the trichomes are visible.

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Now I have the problem that I have to go for a week in a week. I'm not leaving all on (mainly no control over the smell and some distrust in my own handiwork compiling these lights) when I'm away. So these ladies have to hurry up now. The other problem is the cure... I have no way to monitor temps and RH when I'm away so I'm gonna have to find a sitter for my babies or just cut them pre prime or they magically make amber overnight....

I hoped since they were racing to the finish, that I would be in time.... So maybe we pack an extra tent for our vacation... My grow tent...

I have been flushing for two weeks, still, the leaves and plants are vigorous and lively. Some yellowing pointy bits but too minimal.... Temps outdoor have been higher but stable, temps in the tent never over 26.8 degrees. Humidity has been dropping last few days which I hoped for.
 

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BioBuds

In Bloom
Week 14 - Flowering (continued)

I took some tiny larf of a couple of days ago and totally forgot about it. Today out of weed, I found the dried remains in the jar I put it in and left it. No temp, no cure, no RH anything. So I get it out of the jar to find it smelling like weed, not even hay or grass but pungent stinky weed. I start to crumble and find it is sticky, solid, and crumbles to nice bits that crumble even further. I light up and an amazingly sweet and citrusy smell comes free, it is super strong, although still more high obviously, and super tasty, without any cure.

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This promises even more for the rest of the bunch. This was some underside sad yellowish larf, not any density to it but smoked ten times better than my local, round-the-corner dispensary weed that I smoked later that day. Even Sunshine (my partner) was amazed at the difference in smell.

Update 24th July: I finally saw ambers yesterday and the fact of me running out of time, made me decide to start the 48 hours of darkness. Tomorrow she/they will be cut down for drying and curing. I have a humidifier and can manage temps to be a bit colder to prolong the first dry as long as possible. Coming Friday I have to decide what to do: keep them hanging for a full week, whilst I'm gone. Or start the jar cure if drying (since it's very hot and dry here lately, this might be the case) is faster.

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I would have loved to give these ladies another week maybe two... They were still so healthy. But I can't control anything when I'm not here and this could potentially destroy my harvest or get very smelly, this leaves me no choice for now... The trichs are now at +/- 15% to 20% rest is all milky with just some single clears on less developed lower buds... I already know she is nice-tasting and potent enough.

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Another update: closer inspection revealed that the plants a/ had still a lot of underside larf and b/ lots of clear trichomes. As we are near the finish I rather give them another week of light.

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I've bent all the big buds downwards to protect them from the light. I might not be able to correct the cure, but it's a shame not to give them another week if I can. Some will be horrified with the damage but my reasoning is simple, the big buds are done or almost, the larf still can develop into bigger buds so a late harvest super crop and lowered the lights to 35 cm for the final push.

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Week 15 - Flowering

The ladies are entering the 9th week, we have some ambers going but not enough. Just a couple more days and 24 hrs of darkness starts, so later this week the harvest is finally there. Can't wait to see what the final tally will be.

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All bent down, not a pretty sight for the final days.​

Overview of what I've learned so far in this setup and indoor soil growing with LED:

- How to re-veg and monster crop, although not the plan, now I know how to do it.
- Larger branches are larger buds, more ventilation and airflow to keep branches thicker/shorter.
- How to super crop and how not. How to scrog.
- How to get a good airy soil mix.
- How to water properly.
- When to feed and what they need, like extra sulfur in Epsom salt when the stem is reddish and reddish hue over leaves.
- What distance and intensity the lights should be on and when.
- What genetics and sorts I like to grow.
- How to properly scrub the air, maintain the temps in the space the grow is in. It's mostly spot on 26, middle of summer. This space is very stable in moisture and heat.
- What it takes to properly dry and cure, given my situation. Preparing a space and method.
- How long to feed with this setup and to flush earlier with these large amounts of nutes.
- How to defoliate and FIM, both successful.
- That I like big buds... I cannot lie... Size does matter a little...
- How to make a compost tea from comfrey and defoliated leaves.
- How not to smell forever when handling said tea.
- That this tea seems to have several effects:
a/ Instant fertilizer for leaves and soil
b/ Seems to create a white layer of fungal activity in the soil
c/ Seems to create more CO2 coming from the soil
d/ Works as PH Down and pretty stable and predictable
e/ Seems to ward off pests like gnats, they hate it.
f/ Seems to have an influence on the speed of flowering
g/ starting production of trichomes
h/ enlarging said trichomes
I/ aids in the real funk smell in plants and bud (they are what they eat too)
j/ Seems to aid in the terpenes. After feeding the smells really liven up and deepen.
k/ Saves on storebought
l/ Is easily amendable with wood ash to adapt to flowering stage.
m/ seems to regulate soil and plant processes.
n/ Seems to aid the absorption of other nutrients
o/ Seems to repair deficiencies
p/ The difference between buds of her and the mother plant (that was under 300 watts also) has been day and night in leafiness, density, smells, and quantity)
q/ Prevents build-up of salts and the usual caking on top.
r/ Seems to prevent other diseases, also in our garden.

So it works...

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My review of strain so far:

Strain: Gelato #33 Fast
Good for beginners: XXXXX yes
High yielder: XXX What I've seen it's a medium yielder, jury still out on mine, smaller buds.
Resilience: XXXXX extremely resilient against light problems, fungus gnats, high PH in soil, low water conditions
Light lover: she does seem to perform best under higher watts
Mold / disease resistant: XXXXX extremely resistant
Nutrients: XXXX Needs loads of sulphur or my medium is short on available sulfur, next grow will tell, otherwise, normal uptake can resist up to 2000 PPM in organic nutrients (with the tea added)
Vigor: XXXXX even when stressed, never stunted, an average stretch during flower
Ease of growing: XXXXX Easy to train, responds well to fimming. Clones well clones resilient too.
Trichomes: XXXXX Large trichome packs with longer than average size, leaves almost not visible by trichome cover (not known if he is average for G33 or because of tea).
Effect: Very strong, mental high, not so body stoned but what I smoked was not ripened yet.
Attention sucker: XXXXX she is a delight, very easy plant, loves attention but can do days to weeks without care, my training and the defoliating regime made it more hands-on but that was my choice.
Smell during veg: XXXXX Green grass, hay, fresh piney, stronger than average even in veg.
Smell during flowering: XXXXX tones of musk, danky gorilla's ass, citrus, older men's aftershaves, spices, gingerbread, cookie dough, vanilla
Smell during smoking: XXXXX citrus, deep fruitness, marzipan/almonds, piney
Taste: Taste was not optimal yet, no cure but still very much smokeable, not harsh at all. Though very tasty for the stage it's in. Update follows.

Biggest fails/stuff I'm doing next grow to optimize results growing photoperiods (notes for myself next grow):

- Get a sort that matches my tastes, expectations, and set up, great genetics, good performers under my amount of light.
- Amend the soil at the start with vulcastrat / dolomite / Epsom salt and a little guano.
- Presoak soil, grow companions first if any.
- Arrange for the cooler air to flow past my lights first. Cooling them and preheating air before hitting plants, now it was summer, in Winter it will be different.
- If monster cropping again, doing it properly going to 12 instead of 16 hours and fully re-veg them
- Amend two weeks earlier before flower.
- Letting the plants grow bigger: I have 2 mtrs (6ft)of height, Im using a third now. Also another round of fim before flower.
- Ventilation on canopy, lights, and under canopy for fatter branches, better airflow, and more lifespan, and Umol (at 25 C optimal performance) in lights

Later additions:

- Saving up for 100 to 150 watts in deep red, infrared, UVA strips a/ for simulation sunrise and sunset b/ to have better coverage / c to have the watts just near the 500 watts for this room.
 

BioBuds

In Bloom
Week 16 - Harvest

They had 48 hrs of darkness, and the time has come to say goodbye to my friends. I thanked them again, spend some time with them, and under the sound of Amazonian shaman's harvest and healing songs (will post link), asked for their gifts, and apologized for taking their lives. I do this while in contact with the plants, touching, smelling them, observing every detail, no thoughts, just in the present moment.

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I feel emotional as I do this and remember how they were a companion, a source of distraction in a time of worry, sadness, and loss. How they already comforted me and kept me company in a time of painful insights about honesty, commitment, and staying true to myself.

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I thank them again for their wisdom and gifts, viva Santa Maria, viva Planta Maestra, may the mother of all beings give us healing and protection. And I proceed with the harvest as I visualize my intentions with every cut. Branch by bud laden branch is tenderly untangled from the scrog net, taken with a clean-cut and immediately hung upside down in the grow tent, which will now double as a curing and drying room.

A couple more weeks and we will have the final cured and dried weight.
More photos and movies will follow, this is where we are so far!!

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Scrog net turns dry net...​

The dried results

The final weigh-in is ready. I hadn't seen them in a week, because of my vacation. The humidifier I set up, had failed. So the grow had dried in 7 days, what I wanted to be 14 at least. Thankfully, its Sativa ancestry shines through, the smoke isn't harsh, the buds a sticky and smelly, no hay smell at all.

We ended up at 246 grams, excluding a shitload of larf and popcorn bud, totaling at 310 grams all in, a first at a gram per watt for me. Overall I'm very happy!!

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Summary:

Cost of setup: 850 euro
Cost of nutrients and soil: 125 euro
Cost of seeds: None they were cloned
Cost of power: 150 euros in the power bill

Total cost: 1125,-- for setup and this run.

I smoke for medical reasons and it's used for ritual and healing purposes, never to be sold, as it loses its magical properties.
Should I have to buy Gelato of this quality at the dispensary that I frequent, it would cost me at least € 15,-- per gram.

246 x 15 = 3690 euros. also, 49 car rides of 25 miles there and back, 250 euros in gas saved.

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Overall conclusion:

I think we can call this a success. Made back my investment, my cost per grow and we saved the environment.
Wish you were here to smoke a fat one, some good conversation about our hobby, and now... I'm hungry.... See you on here! Hugs Bud!!!

PS. Should you be interested in Shamanism or Teacherplants by anything I mentioned. Pls watch the following documentaries or read these books:

- The Last Shaman on Netflix
- Fantastic Funghi on Netflix
- Food of the Gods, by Terrence McKenna
- The Herbal Jedi / Yarrow Willard on Youtube
- The Tao of Physics
- DMT: The Spirit Molecule on Youtube
- The Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley
- Plants of the Gods by Richard Evans Schultes and Albert Hoffman
- What the bleep do we know - Down the rabbithole (although vague and some theories mentioned here, could not be replicated, like the water by Emoto)
- The Secret on Netflix- if you like enlightenment in bitesize, tellsell format


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The link to Santo Daime hinarios for the Santa Maria cura, healing ceremony:



If you want to learn more about permaculture / homesteading, see the following links:

- Pete Kanaris, Green Dreams TV, visits many permaculture farms in tropical area's, he is great!!
https://www.youtube.com/user/GreenDreamsFL

- Supersoil recipe by Learn Organic gardening, take your ADD meds first, dont watch if prone to epilepsy... they like to talk...


- Mr Canuck, indoor organic cannabis growing master on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtU2-cpxx18iQ4BvracrxDQ

- People creating food forests all over the world:
https://www.youtube.com/user/happenfilms

Happy travels and enjoy!

Thank you all for the warm welcome!!

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BioBuds

In Bloom
Looking good in here @BioBuds, thanks for taking the time to write up and share your grow with us! Let me know if you have any questions about the platform!
Thank you for the compliment, @jaguarlax and for the support! So far it has been an enormous warm welcome, the site is clear but the amount of content is huge, so reading back from the start.

I normally don't post a grow that is already done, but in my current grow I have some stuff, recipes and insights that make more sense if people can see this one! ANd Im kinda proud of those golden nugs for my first indoor experience :p
 

horribleherk

home grown
Week 12 - Flowering


We are at 5 and a half weeks of flower. I'm taking it day by day now. Some buds show amber and I'm waiting until most good buds have the amber, but not too much. Considering stacked harvest, logistical problems with drying and growing at the same time make me want to harvest all in one go.


Trying to figure out how I can keep temps around 15 and RH around 65 at start drying to prolong the dry times... Don't have an air conditioner and don't have a dehumidifier. I do have a humidifier... So I will be nursing them through this time, trying to stretch the cure/dry as long as I can.

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I will update as the week progresses with new images of the trichomes. We are nearing the end of week 6, which is tomorrow. I have been flushing all week, the ladies still look steady. Some yellowing has started on the middle plant, but only one or two buds. They have some life in them.

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The trichomes are going milky, one or two buds on the middle plant show some amber, but only on some leaves.​



The left plant is a little behind on the other two, like a day or two. Still watching the trichomes.


Week 13 - Flowering

Beginning of week 7, 6 full weeks of flower done, they should be ready this or next week. Trichomes are still mostly milky with few to no ambers. Some clear also still there. Found some larf hiding but able to reach the light so they are also fattening.


Really hard to estimate how much it is going to be.


Details about the grow and setup:

- 300 watt lights in 3 100 watt boards, 252 LM301b with 12 Cree. Thats one board per plant basically, giving 850 ppfd on average on canopy level.
- 140 cm (4.5 ft) by 70 cm (2ft) by 200 cm (6.5 ft) growtent.
- Temps have been stable, so has humidity but 10 % more than I would want in this stage of flower, at 50 to 55 %. Nugs feel dense though, compact and weight to it.
- middle plant has more buds, but are more larfy and little less dense.
- all buds have sprouted little mini buds on them adding weight
- Underlayer of buds are all less dense and more larfy.

Week 14 - Flowering
I've been doing the whole Sherlock thing with the magnifier and nope.... no trichomes amber yet.... My magnifier is just not strong enough and apparently, my eyesight is bollocks or my arms are too short... On the images ( I also have onset Parkinsons as it seems, thus I used a tripod and low and behold: a still shot) the trichomes are visible.

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Now I have the problem that I have to go for a week in a week. I'm not leaving all on (mainly no control over the smell and some distrust in my own handiwork compiling these lights) when I'm away. So these ladies have to hurry up now. The other problem is the cure... I have no way to monitor temps and RH when I'm away so I'm gonna have to find a sitter for my babies or just cut them pre prime or they magically make amber overnight....

I hoped since they were racing to the finish, that I would be in time.... So maybe we pack an extra tent for our vacation... My grow tent...

I have been flushing for two weeks, still, the leaves and plants are vigorous and lively. Some yellowing pointy bits but too minimal.... Temps outdoor have been higher but stable, temps in the tent never over 26.8 degrees. Humidity has been dropping last few days which I hoped for.
Nothing like a full scrog makes one feel satisfied with that feeling of accomplishment
 
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