Alcohol and Cannabis

[HBZ]

Ide like to hear from other folks cause this has been on my mind alot!
As some may know I definitely enjoy my booze and always have..Also enjoy the cannabis but it's limited..Anyone chime in please to help me understand..
I would say 90% of the time I don't enjoy OR even light up unless I got a alcohol buzz of some sort..It's not always been this way..I used to really prefer cannabis over alcohol..I just barely get pain relief from cannabis and Alcohol mixed with cannabis is the most pain relief I've found..I don't understand why I just can't sit down like I used to and smoke a whole doob and just be happily blasted..The thing is I flat out do not enjoy it like that anymore.. As much as ide love for cannabis to be the answer for me it's not and that honestly bothers me ..I'm sure y'all seen me mention how picky I am several times...There is a real reason for that..Most strains don't give me a pleasant feeling anymore..It is frustrating..Now give me a good alcohol buzz and I'll smoke like a damn 20 yr old and feel great..I pay for that tho and end up on the Albuterol inhaler a few days.Ide love nothing more than to be able to just smoke any ole strain at any ole time and feel great. That's never the case for me ..WHY.. I have endless supply and top shelf at that...WTF is my problem
Hopefully some of y'all can help me dig into what the problem is...Perhaps ask the right questions to get something to click..
Just last night my brother came to visit and we was chatting and having a great time..Three hits off some Rosin and I felt really uneasy and was no longer enjoying myself...I don't get it..I've beat this up back and forth in my mind..After really taking a deeper look I realized I do most of my smoking alone and while tending plants.. Anything social makes me not enjoy it but that's not always the case..just digging trying to figure out the problem...I used to LOVE staying stoned..Now I don't..But I wish I did...Make sense? It don't to me

 

[LoboGrow]

When I used to smoke joints in the mid 80's and early 90's, I could smoke and then go to parties and drink, but not the other way around. If I drank, then smoked, I would get the spins and puke everytime, never a good time. After not smoking for 30 years and recently starting to dry herb vape, I assume it would still be the same. In my case, I gave up the alcohol and use cannabis in it's place, but only vape a couple of times per week. It's definitely a different vibe now, but maybe that's because I have different responsibilities or whatever. I have to be mindful because I tend to get anxious with most varieties out there when I vape now. I never had that problem with the Mexican Red Hair we would get in the 80's and it was always almost always the same stuff year in and year out....

 

[HBZ]

When I used to smoke joints in the mid 80's and early 90's, I could smoke and then go to parties and drink, but not the other way around. If I drank, then smoked, I would get the spins and puke everytime, never a good time. After not smoking for 30 years and recently starting to dry herb vape, I assume it would still be the same. In my case, I gave up the alcohol and use cannabis in it's place, but only vape a couple of times per week. It's definitely a different vibe now, but maybe that's because I have different responsibilities or whatever. I have to be mindful because I tend to get anxious with most varieties out there when I vape now. I never had that problem with the Mexican Red Hair we would get in the 80's and it was always almost always the same stuff year in and year out....

Ya know I never did either with the old strains..However I think even them I just wouldn't light up at anytime if I hadn't had a few beers..It's honestly a lil depressing to me..I don't want it to be this way..I recently talked to my step brother that told me he quit smoking...He flat out said he hasn't enjoyed weed for about 8 yrs..That the new strains are not the same and he hates em. That's the thing...I don't hate them. I love them. But most of that love is from a growers standpoint..Just maybe I'll soak some really old school and let him give them a whirl when I do..I'm sure it won't change the way I feel about it

 

[Chefdave]

Ide like to hear from other folks cause this has been on my mind alot!
As some may know I definitely enjoy my booze and always have..Also enjoy the cannabis but it's limited..Anyone chime in please to help me understand..
I would say 90% of the time I don't enjoy OR even light up unless I got a alcohol buzz of some sort..It's not always been this way..I used to really prefer cannabis over alcohol..I just barely get pain relief from cannabis and Alcohol mixed with cannabis is the most pain relief I've found..I don't understand why I just can't sit down like I used to and smoke a whole doob and just be happily blasted..The thing is I flat out do not enjoy it like that anymore.. As much as ide love for cannabis to be the answer for me it's not and that honestly bothers me ..I'm sure y'all seen me mention how picky I am several times...There is a real reason for that..Most strains don't give me a pleasant feeling anymore..It is frustrating..Now give me a good alcohol buzz and I'll smoke like a damn 20 yr old and feel great..I pay for that tho and end up on the Albuterol inhaler a few days.Ide love nothing more than to be able to just smoke any ole strain at any ole time and feel great. That's never the case for me ..WHY.. I have endless supply and top shelf at that...WTF is my problem
Hopefully some of y'all can help me dig into what the problem is...Perhaps ask the right questions to get something to click..
Just last night my brother came to visit and we was chatting and having a great time..Three hits off some Rosin and I felt really uneasy and was no longer enjoying myself...I don't get it..I've beat this up back and forth in my mind..After really taking a deeper look I realized I do most of my smoking alone and while tending plants.. Anything social makes me not enjoy it but that's not always the case..just digging trying to figure out the problem...I used to LOVE staying stoned..Now I don't..But I wish I did...Make sense? It don't to me

Yeah brother weed effects everyone differently, mentally and physically. As you know I luv alcohol also but quit now almost 4 months, the reason was not only was it killing me but I couldn't take care of my biz or personal life anymore it had control over me. I never was a daily alcoholic, I was a binge drinker which medically is far more toxic to the body. Since quitting I feel amazing and get shit done. Alcohol, also like cannabis, affects people differently from a social and physiological standpoint. I miss the social buzz sometimes from alcohol, and have cravings, but have managed to resist. I know how good of a pain killer alcohol is and your in pain, so I know it is a tough thing for you , especially when cannabis doesn't kill it for ya. Anyway i hope you find peace in whatever direction you move forward with, but I will say abuse of alcohol is a dead end road health wise unless your very young. Keep your head up and a positive mind and answers will appear.

 

[Mizzo81]

I’ve found that cutting back is ok. I smoke bongs a couple packs spaced throughout the day. If I rip too many I no longer like the feeling either. I really like beer as well but trying not to drink this month. I enjoy the combo as well sometimes to much.

 

[Bullfrog]

I feel for ya bro, as we age our bodies change. I know lots of people who no longer partake because it's too much for them, they don't enjoy it.

I'm really glad I quit drinking over 20 years ago. My brother and I were on the same track, he is at the point he has to drink. Don't think he'd survive without it. Pisses me off because I know he's going to die before his time. It's just sad from where I'm sitting. But he's happy, functions fine and everyone loves him so what can I say? I don't say shit.

I think you can probably smoke more when your drinking because your senses are impaired, the alcohol takes over and you don't notice the weed buzz so much.

I can't do edibles, makes me feel ill. It's nothing like getting high from smoking/vaping.

 

[HBZ]

I’ve found that cutting back is ok. I smoke bongs a couple packs spaced throughout the day. If I rip too many I no longer like the feeling either. I really like beer as well but trying not to drink this month. I enjoy the combo as well sometimes to much.

I've also tried to just smoke a lil...Kind of like just practicing to smoke without alcohol I guess..I was taking just a few good puffs and going on about my business...Thing I found is there was hardly any buzz and had to keep going back no matter what strain..Just leaving me with a dull hazy feeling until I reached the point I was high and didn't enjoy any of it...Now add 6 beers on top of that same scenario and I'm cruising where I want to be. It's weird. Or is it a common issue..I just don't get it.. Perhaps the older I get the less I'm enjoying weed ..It's definitely took a big turn since I got hurt..Pain is definitely worse smoking .Just concentrate on the pain more..

 

[HBZ]

I feel for ya bro, as we age our bodies change. I know lots of people who no longer partake because it's too much for them, they don't enjoy it.

I'm really glad I quit drinking over 20 years ago. My brother and I were on the same track, he is at the point he has to drink. Don't think he'd survive without it. Pisses me off because I know he's going to die before his time. It's just sad from where I'm sitting. But he's happy, functions fine and everyone loves him so what can I say? I don't say shit.

I think you can probably smoke more when your drinking because your senses are impaired, the alcohol takes over and you don't notice the weed buzz so much.

I can't do edibles, makes me feel ill. It's nothing like getting high from smoking/vaping.

I feel ya on the edibles...I can handle a half quarter of boomers better than I can a simple dose of edibles... Edibles have me pacing and sweating no possibility of relaxing...Mind 10k miles a hour..I've wanted to enjoy those also as I make them for the wife and parents....It's just a no go for me...What hits them in a hour and half takes 5 hours to hit me then I'm FUCKED....Hate them

 

[LG/]

Ill preface by saying I support people's right to do what they want with their body, even if I think it's negative.

Please no one take this too personally. I mean no disrespect.

I will also admit I abused alcohol for many years. But have been dry for quite a few years now. I'm in my late 30s.

My theory was always that the alcohol helps counteract paranoia and negative feelings that could come from smoking. And the weed helps level out and process the poison that is alcohol. They can go well together. You can feel like a demigod haha.

Now I personally am against alcohol, no benefit justifies the impact is has on an individuals mental and physical health. Plus the overall societal impact that is the sum of all the individual ones. I have to think it's almost exclusively negative.

Now regularly drinking is one thing. Having a drink or two once every month or two (or preferably 3) is different. That's where I draw the line between casual use and abuse, for myself anyways. Very strict, firm line.

Just my 2c tho. Coming from someone who formerly abused alcohol. I'm not judging anyone, especially their value as a person. Just my opinion.

My step-dad was an alcoholic. But I have zero bad to say about him, he always treated me with respect and was a strait shooter 100%. Old school type, in a good way generally speaking. I just have to think he'd have been an even better person if he wasn't drinking beer by the pallet....

In summary, I am not my best self when I drink. That much I know.

 

[LoboGrow]

I've also tried to just smoke a lil...Kind of like just practicing to smoke without alcohol I guess..I was taking just a few good puffs and going on about my business...Thing I found is there was hardly any buzz and had to keep going back no matter what strain..Just leaving me with a dull hazy feeling until I reached the point I was high and didn't enjoy any of it...Now add 6 beers on top of that same scenario and I'm cruising where I want to be. It's weird. Or is it a common issue..I just don't get it.. Perhaps the older I get the less I'm enjoying weed ..It's definitely took a big turn since I got hurt..Pain is definitely worse smoking .Just concentrate on the pain more..

This happens with me as well, sometimes I think it leads me to focus on things I shouldn't and leads to the anxiety. I just don't have enough experience with the different strains to have a good handle on what's best, but I know the sedating ones tend to take me to darker places. I just want to have the happy go lucky highs I had from before. Who knows, maybe I just grow and don't consume. I know quite a few people that do that....

 

[RookieBuds]

Sounds like respiratory issues are potentially getting in the way of you enjoying smoking flower nowadays . Or maybe your body chemistry's changing

Similar to you, when I was young I used to loooooove driving around country roads with my friends, blazing away Now, I couldn't drive anywhere without a mild sensation of dizziness and pretty severe anxiety. I honestly just think decades of cannabis abuse has altered my endocannabinoid receptors as it pertains to motion and fine motor skills

Have you tried switching methods of ingestion? --my dad absolutely loves to smoke flower & it's practically part of his identity, but with COPD getting worse he's had to switch to edibles and dry vaping, with the occasional partial joint instead of multiple joints per day

Maybe also low temp dabs would help you enjoy the marijuanas again? And i stress "low temp" because if you take a hot enough dab, you may as well just swallow that Abuterol inhaler lol, not even kidding!

 

[RookieBuds]

Okay so the more I read through these comments, it really just seems to me like most if not all of us are experiencing endocannabinoid receptor alteration. I mean you got to think about it, an alcoholic takes way more alcohol to get drunk than probably just us casual drinkers, right? Wouldn't you think the same would be true for cannabis? Someone who smokes heavily, takes them a lot more to really get an enjoyable high like you used to when you were young and your body was cleaner? . Example: i usually take tolerance breaks during travel vacations mostly because I want to have the clear sense of mind to do things on a whim, but also just don't wana deal with the hassle of travelling with nor buying weed when I get to a destination. When I get home and fire up, i get FUCKING ZOOOTED on that first sesh

I think it's our dumpster fires for bodies crying for help lol

 

[HBZ]

This happens with me as well, sometimes I think it leads me to focus on things I shouldn't and leads to the anxiety. I just don't have enough experience with the different strains to have a good handle on what's best, but I know the sedating ones tend to take me to darker places. I just want to have the happy go lucky highs I had from before. Who knows, maybe I just grow and don't consume. I know quite a few people that do that....

It's the sedating strains that give me the most negative feelings..I definitely smoke everything I grow at least once but more than likely multiple times...I have a great understanding of what I like..Or what my body and mind likes to tolerate...I'm no youngster..I'm 54 and been smoking weed since I was a young teen..It's Alot lately that I've started to not enjoy it. I do not want this to happen... Cannabis is a big part of my life...I don't see how I could even grow and not smoke. I mean cmon. How ya choose keepers and such...Blahhh I don't even want to think about it

 

[Chefdave]

I feel ya on the edibles...I can handle a half quarter of boomers better than I can a simple dose of edibles... Edibles have me pacing and sweating no possibility of relaxing...Mind 10k miles a hour..I've wanted to enjoy those also as I make them for the wife and parents....It's just a no go for me...What hits them in a hour and half takes 5 hours to hit me then I'm FUCKED....Hate them

Hey man on the edibles thing, have you ever made bubble hash from 6mo old trim or buds then used it for the edibles?, that has been my sleep meds for some time. Yes it does take 2 hours to start to take effect and peaks at 3, but I can't stay up after 4hrs from time of consumption. Opposite is true when I use fresh frozen or dried for 10 days then washed. Definitely a speedy high. There are so many complexities to concentrates in producing for desired effect. And method of consumption. Flower same way. It's funny I can roll a 1.5g joint smoke the whole thing, and not get but a little buzz. Same flower at .4g in my vape gets me actually stoned. I think individuals just need to experiment with methods of production and delivery of said concentrates to find what works for them! I'm constantly experimenting with growing ( techniques , lights, nutrients, etc), producing carts, edibles, concentrates, etc. It's the only thing that keeps me interested in this craft. Just growing and especially trimming is boring and repetitious to me!

 

[HBZ]

Sounds like respiratory issues are potentially getting in the way of you enjoying smoking flower nowadays . Or maybe your body chemistry's changing

Similar to you, when I was young I used to loooooove driving around country roads with my friends, blazing away Now, I couldn't drive anywhere without a mild sensation of dizziness and pretty severe anxiety. I honestly just think decades of cannabis abuse has altered my endocannabinoid receptors as it pertains to motion and fine motor skills

Have you tried switching methods of ingestion? --my dad absolutely loves to smoke flower & it's practically part of his identity, but with COPD getting worse he's had to switch to edibles and dry vaping, with the occasional partial joint instead of multiple joints per day

Maybe also low temp dabs would help you enjoy the marijuanas again? And i stress "low temp" because if you take a hot enough dab, you may as well just swallow that Abuterol inhaler lol, not even kidding!

I've tried every way you can imagine... Edibles are a hell NO. 90 % of the time is a B zero vape.. Sometimes arizer solo... Every now and again joints...Dabs here and there...It's all the same. If it's not a select strain it just sucks for me to smoke. Will not enjoy it whatsoever

 

[Agreenpassion]

I feel ya on the edibles...I can handle a half quarter of boomers better than I can a simple dose of edibles...

You could beat up a half dozen baby-boomers??¡! The hell, man. What are "boomers" anyhow?

@HBZ Have you considered that you may have an allergy to weed?

I don't drink for some years. But I definitely enjoy my cannabidinoids. My wife takes a 75mg_ish gummy before bed every night. But she can't smoke or vape some of the racy "Sativas" without having a bad anxiety reaction. Then she's just miserable.

I grew for quite a few years while I had a career that required random drug tests. I didn't consume any canna. for some years. It was one Huge tolerance break.

 

[HBZ]

Hey man on the edibles thing, have you ever made bubble hash from 6mo old trim or buds then used it for the edibles?, that has been my sleep meds for some time. Yes it does take 2 hours to start to take effect and peaks at 3, but I can't stay up after 4hrs from time of consumption. Opposite is true when I use fresh frozen or dried for 10 days then washed. Definitely a speedy high. There are so many complexities to concentrates in producing for desired effect. And method of consumption. Flower same way. It's funny I can roll a 1.5g joint smoke the whole thing, and not get but a little buzz. Same flower at .4g in my vape gets me actually stoned. I think individuals just need to experiment with methods of production and delivery of said concentrates to find what works for them! I'm constantly experimenting with growing ( techniques , lights, nutrients, etc), producing carts, edibles, concentrates, etc. It's the only thing that keeps me interested in this craft. Just growing and especially trimming is boring and repetitious to me!

Edibles on EVERY occasion has been a absolute horrid experience...I mean every single time...Ive ate all different sorts of stuff over the years. Regret it BIG TIME Everytime...If I could change one thing about me and Cannabis it would definitely be that I could happily spank down alot of edibles and they work for me the way they work for my wife

 

[HBZ]

You could beat up a half dozen baby-boomers??¡! The hell, man. What are "boomers" anyhow?

@HBZ Have you considered that you may have an allergy to weed?

I don't drink for some years. But I definitely enjoy my cannabidinoids. My wife takes a 75mg_ish gummy before bed every night. But she can't smoke or vape some of the racy "Sativas" without having a bad anxiety reaction. Then she's just miserable.

I grew for quite a few years while I had a career that required random drug tests. I didn't consume any canna. for some years. It was one Huge tolerance break.

Lol boomers are mushrooms. I can handle being completely gone on those way better than any edible Ive tried...I never considered being allergic...If I was wouldn't it bother me just the same after id had some alcohol and smoked??

 

[Chefdave]

Lol boomers are mushrooms. I can handle being completely gone on those way better than any edible Ive tried...I never considered being allergic...If I was wouldn't it bother me just the same after id had some alcohol and smoked??

If you were allergic you would have swelling, angdemia, hives, itching or other allergic reactions.

 

[Agreenpassion]

Lol boomers are mushrooms. I can handle being completely gone on those way better than any edible Ive tried...I never considered being allergic...If I was wouldn't it bother me just the same after id had some alcohol and smoked??

Hmm. Your probably correct. Maybe the combination of the chemicals from the Cannabis and Alcohol are interacting, changing some of the chemical make-up or the way it's absorbed.

I didn't do enough Chemistry/Chemical/Bio Science in school. I have NO idea. Just some ideas out of a hat.

But I hope you figuire something out. That reaction to Marijuana sounds like something that effects your quality of life.