doodies doodoo dirt disaster grow log

[Mr Jay]

Good show, man !
Those are looking green and healthy.

They will yellow, from the bottom up, if they are severely underwatered. I still see some green cotys on there so I don't think there is damage.

Coco can handle a lot of water, and @DopeDaniel had to remind me once that roots won't grow where it's dry.

Were your red solos going dry in 24 hours?
Lift every pot, everyday.
They like the attention, and they will keep telling you what they need.

 

[iwentdoodie]

they were at the end mr jay, thats why i went ahead and transplanted. the reason i say underwatering is i drenched those pots, and the 36hr mark the coco was turning brown, pulling away from the pot and collapsing like a florida neighborhood backyard after rain in some spots. pots also felt like air.

they definitely like the attention, last night i cut back TK#1 and that special bagseed, just trimmed lowest stems because those things were droopy af always and i know the tk had some rooting issues. trimmed those fat leaves off it in hopes it would put more energy into making some new roots. this morning shes praying tall and not one droopy leaf. just did what felt right

 

[iwentdoodie]

every body got settled into their dorm room the other night, and got watered earlier before lights out. sent pics of some individuals for dino, 3 super cars running and id love for anyone but him to pick them out cause lollll. biggest similarities between them are slight purple on stalks while growing, but also see that on the testers (which makes sense i guess, they do share partial lineage) but man.

one is stalky af, one mid stalky/bushy, and one that looks like its summoning its ancestors back in the valley.

 

[iwentdoodie]

asking this up top in case anyone reads this and has an answer, but doesnt want to read the novel: after topping, what growth am i looking for before switching to flower?


little pissy looking since they sat out of tent longer than expected but they moved into their final home last night.

holy shit did i miscalculate the size of this tent. ive slept in smaller areas for months at a time. its a room within a room.

everyone happy and healthy. all got topped the other day and top fed some Dr E veg and FF bloom, fed at 1tbsp each for the 2tbsp/gal. watered it in with brix mixed at 8ml/gal. got some kelp on cyber monday sale, so when that comes in im going to repot and water in with that and brix, and a couple days later (probably wednesday) most if not all are flipping to flower.

looking at space, i had planned on doing all 5g but i think im going to experiment a bit, since i have multiples of each strain, and do half in 3g and half in 5 to save some space. best looking girls get the bigger pot.

do need to get in there and tie down some branches. theyre pretty tough already on most. i had thought about topping again but likely wont as i dont want to waste more time.

now just have to troll through some breeder threads and track down some nice sativa leaning girls for next run before shutting it down for summer. hastily placed inside last night, going to build a small platform for them. gotta make catching run off easier.


lessons learned so far, mostly for my own notes:
- leave a larger gap at top of pots for water and amendments. it should not take an hour to water, but some pots have media so far up that its unavoidable.

- pre stage dry nutes. nothing worse than getting everything out and together and go to fill pot and...oops, didnt pour any into smaller containers.

- stop trying to reinvent the wheel. you spent this much, spend 4 bucks on a dedicated plastic scoop to leave in the soil bin, dingus.

- dont be afraid to fuck with em. you may notice some damage on a couple plants, had a fan blowing over the lights (need the drivers for warmth, but got warm again for a few days and just trying to keep temps out of the 80s) and the clamp decided it had a good life, sending itself like a boeing into two of them. theyre fine! theyre fucking plants!

- take more notes. no, more.

- holy shit i didnt realize how good they smell in veg at this point.

- big one: as seen everywhere in this thread and my intro, just fucking trust yourself. again, plant. take some medicine and just listen/watch and give what they need. its usually nothing!

example: day after top dressing i noticed a few plants looking very yellow, slight curl on leaves. "well fuck, now its too hot" but i felt the pots and they were about half light. watered 1c each just to be safe when lights came back on. huh, magically they look better. now the color is coming back. didnt even stop to think that while yes they were repotted mostly together, doesnt mean they were ready. like the tks1 #1, that girl has been through hell.

harsh time in popping, rough repot into solos, when repotting into 1g it went okay but was also the plant that showed me i was underwatering. soil collapsed on the side i couldnt see, and when i moved her she just toppled. so i held her up carefully in the tent, hand packed new soil in, braced her up and had to cut first set of fan leaves off as it kept wilting. took off after that, got topped and went super stress. her roots (all of the TKs seem to have weaker root structures) just do not want to hold her weight, so getting bamboo to shove down to be safe. all of the TKs seem very nute sensitive, they were the first to show issues.

okay this is a long enough ramble for a saturday at work the SDxTCT is exciting, they all started slow and have just exploded in the last weekish.

#1s are at roughly 23 days, rest are between 14 and 18. would i be better off holding the younger ones back an extra week? or with this amount of plants in here, probably best to just try and arrange as best i can and flip to maybe have room?

 

[Mr Jay]

after topping, what growth am i looking for before switching to flower?

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There is some sort of hormone or auxins at play here. The plant naturally prefers the uppermost bud, all the Juicy Juice flows to it.
After the leader is toppled, all the subordinates begin a power struggle.

Conventional wisdom prompts a pruner to remove the lower branches on a single Cola plant, to send all the resources up top.
I feel there may be wisdom in removing the lower branches of a topped plant as well.
Let us pretend for a moment that the plant is trying to choose a new 'leader'
If there are too many candidates in the race, the vote will be split amongst them. As a grower, I am crooked and willing to tilt the table. I will start eliminating lesser candidates in order to concentrate the 'vote' where I want it.

Rather than avoid your question, I could just answer it.
I don't like trimming, and as such I don't like branches. I am mostly interested in the buds growing at canopy level. As such, if you continue to veg a topped plant the good stuff is getting farther away from the soil, and you are just moving the canopy closer to the lights. Topping creates a thicker canopy and there is less 'rain' getting under the umbrella.

Are we talking about the plants in the photograph above ?
If you flip them today, you will have lots of floor still visible, when they are done flowering.
I hate floor.
Given another week or two more veg time, the plants in the photo would fill the tent.
If I was looking at twice as many plants, or a tent Half the size, I would say flower today.
Those plants, in that tent, vegging for another 2 weeks, will add less than 15% to your total electrical consumption for that crop. (Damn that's a lot of commas.)
I feel adding two more weeks veg would give you way way way more than 15% increased harvest.

That's just me, and I like to make stuff up.

 

[iwentdoodie]

mr jay, as always, in your debt.

because honestly that last paragraph was already bouncing in my head but i didnt want to say it. i think i had really wanted to do 3 weeks of veg and just talked myself into it no matter what. thats dumb, and i knew that, but sometimes you gotta stick it in some crazy to learn the lesson.

as far as topping...yeah, honestly not sure why i did all of them. i had intended to top 1/4 and manifold/mainline them, 1/4 top and go, and half just trim and let rip natural. but then some highdeas started and here we are.

i guess my only question to you would be, 3s or 5s or split for science? im leaning to split for science. or something entirely different? believe me, all ears. or eyes i spose.

shit im half thinking of doing half hand water/dripper and half ebb/flow its like now that im getting somewhat used to how they behave with what im doing, i want to treat them like lab rats and poke til it breaks and then figure out why. but i also gotta do dino proud so cant fuck up too much lol


quick pic after lights turned on about five min after i got home. going to tie some leaves down a bit cause they keep wanting to cover the center, water and probably throw a 3rd light in back just so i can spread em out a bit more and segregate by strain

 

[iwentdoodie]

some light lst. back row, second from right is my #2 SDxTCT and holy shit shes a beauty. trains well, pushing lower branches up through canopy on her own, barely even needed tied back to keep growth sites clear, and just absolutely trucking along with growth. going to try and get clones off her, i think. not sure on any of the others but that one is calling me. she fuckin reeks already, too.


didnt get 3rd light up, ran out of time. thats on deck for tonight along with figuring out a way to water these in the tent without standing water, or pain in the dick to clean out.

 

[Phylex]

thats on deck for tonight along with figuring out a way to water these in the tent without standing water, or pain in the dick to clean out

These should help

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZFBHPFS?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1

 

[iwentdoodie]

see, was thinking of that but in my head its still just standing water. but then again theyll be in fabric pots at the end so not much to worry about water sticking around.

simple answer is best as always, much appreciated. and way less work than my ideas

 

[iwentdoodie]

just lookit her back there being perfect

 

[iwentdoodie]

dry organic nutes and coco dont mix, cant grow roots and will be a disaster. never try as a beginner

 

[Agreenpassion]

Sorry bro, for the suck.
That's a hard way to learn.

You can totally DM me if you're looking for some (free) seeds to grow. I have a few extra fun ones to grow or kill if ya want.
Ima little guy.

In the beginning I was always treating them like I used to do to bagseeds. The plant carnage in '04 in my state's capitol, where I grew, was immense.

 

[iwentdoodie]

damn man, will for sure message but ill send some leatherwork back in return for sure.

i just cant get over it. i was nervous if they were ready and theyre all just....gorgeous. not even root bound, its still airy and bright white. i dont fuckin get it yall

 

[iwentdoodie]

yall can ignore this, just at work without notebook and my high and tired ass didnt physically write it down last night.

i say soil a lot but the base is FF coco loco, amended as stated

- SDxTCT #1 is transplanted into 5g. the other 4 largest will go in 5gs tonight, smaller ones going into 3gs.
- treating dry amendments like baking is way easier than measuring. measured out multiple times what a 1tbsp scoop of nutes weighed and then made up individual cups for each plant.
- 5gs get 6tbsp FFHF, 4tbsp Dr E veg. 3gs get 4 and 2. not sure why i didnt do it 5050 on that one but whooooo knows.
- also added kelp, worm castings and an even amt of vermiculite and perlite to retain drainage
- next time, i know 3 weeks is my limit with this feed and schedule in this medium. also explains why growth skyrocketed and then chilled a bit, as well as why theyre so thirsty. no damn media to hold water anymore!

so should get rest of them in their homes tonight, ill wet them in but not drench to hopefully get roots spreading. i know i could probably wait longer, but timing wise i need to go ahead and flip soon. that will be Sun or Mon most likely, to give some recovery time. obviously ill watch and see how theyre doing, but i think i am going to start doing a tea feeding weekly and also adjust top dressing to 2 weeks instead of three, based on how they seemed to gogogogoGOGOGOimthirsty and slow back a bit.

good news is with this many i can guinea pig a bit at least.

also need to flip cause if a couple of these get much taller im gonna have fun in flower keeping them from growing into the attic

 

[Mr Jay]

some leatherwork

My father in law worked leather, as his trade.
Seems to be a vanishing craft.

 

[iwentdoodie]

My father in law worked leather, as his trade.
Seems to be a vanishing craft.

it absolutely is. its starting to become a bit bigger again, but still very small. my grandfather (who raised me) did leather in the 60s and 70s, and seeing his stuff always made me want to do it. i still have his belt, watch band, wallet and folio cover.

so a few years ago i got annoyed as hell about how cheaply made all the commonly available stuff is, and im an idiot who always thinks "oh i could make that" so i started. i hate selling my stuff, but i love to make stuff for friends/family and barter with it. i make a super quick front pocket style wallet that i build up a stock of and ill throw some cheap gift cards in em and we put them in little care packs ill hand out to homeless people or she takes little stuff i make when shes working/volunteering at shelters and stuff.

dont have a ton of photos on here anymore, this is some older stuff

 

[Mr Jay]

Beauty spread !
I dig that tan ,in the last photo.
I have a similarly coloured, wide stitched Satchel that my dad made in the '70s, it is one of my prized possessions.

Are you into carving and embossing ?
Crazy crazy money in biker patches.
Of course I just put biker, money, and crazy in the same sentence; and that's not always a good thing.

 

[iwentdoodie]

sadly nah, i dont do much carving/embossing. not even 40 yet but carpal/cubital tunnel in both arms gives some shakes with detail work, and on top of that im just not real artistic. give me a pattern and i can do it and adjust/change it, but im not gonna be making any art lol.

ive done some shit for bikers, mostly buddies or their families. funny you mention patches, i actually did make two full vests (the actual cuts were given to me) to go to the wife and son of a close friend after he passed (ever met an 85yr old 1%er? ha) but otherwise not much tooling work for me unless i get a wild hair

 

[iwentdoodie]

 

[iwentdoodie]

couple repots left to go. thought i had another bag of coco loco but i did not. my much better half who cant grow a plastic ficus is about 5x faster than me repotting them, which has not been held over me at all

ima let em go a bit more. temps have kept em low while still pushing nodes and side branches like crazy. topped a couple of em a second time, they just looked ripe.

gonna move lights and add one tomorrow, probably lst em tomorrow and then shoot for...lets say monday. someone told me i should aim for no floor