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Led interested me on the 425w =2k hps, well that's how they sold it to me and with little knowledge I said yep lol. Then started reading and realised I messed up. Thanks for input, I will be starting me next grow a few weeks before hopefully a harvest. If I grow in 3 gal and flip sooner I can get around 20 plants in same foot print. But I have 50 of these seeds. Thinking make floor rack bigger with new lights and grow all 50. But could possibly be a pipe dream we will see lol. There not feminized seeds so wont be 50 actually.
These are "advertised" values. They need to be actual watts from the wall. Many of the pre-built "blurples" will claim these ridiculous ratings. In general, LED will be less watts. I refer to QB/Strip/COB as "real" LED vs. blurples. I believe @JL2G (our resident LED expert) mentioned that the equivalent from HID to "real" LED is around 60%, so for a 1000w HID, 600w of "real" LED would be equivalent.
 

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These are "advertised" values. They need to be actual watts from the wall. Many of the pre-built "blurples" will claim these ridiculous ratings. In general, LED will be less watts. I refer to QB/Strip/COB as "real" LED vs. blurples. I believe @JL2G (our resident LED expert) mentioned that the equivalent from HID to "real" LED is around 60%, so for a 1000w HID, 600w of "real" LED would be equivalent.
Not claiming to be any expert mang, more of a professional hobbyist imho.
But yes, I'd say I know a few things. lol.
(1 or 2 tops ;)

That real comparison number, LED to HID is subjective to what led you're comparing it to.
Especially with the advances that have come in the LED world in the last couple of years. Not only in their cost, but in what they're capable of.
The cobs in the light I built awhile back get like 130 some lumens per watt, and the newer tech led boards in another of my lights are more in the 180 lumen per watt rating. So its kind of a generalized comparison saying 60%. lol.
Some of the newest led tech is up in the 200+ range.
And yes I know plants don't care about the lumens necessarily, more about spectrum that makes up those amount of lumens, but lumen's are like the horsepower of the light for comparison sake.

What were we talking about again?
Oh yeah, it's Friday, weeds dank, and beers are in the fridge, help yourself. :superhappydance::superhappydance::superhappydance::superhappydance::dancingsmiley":dancingsmiley":bong::bong:
 

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Not claiming to be any expert mang, more of a professional hobbyist imho.
But yes, I'd say I know a few things. lol.
(1 or 2 tops ;)
I dubbed you that, you are most humble and modest. You have a great understanding of not just LED but everything build related. You never steer anyone wrong with solid advice you can take to the bank.
 

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I dubbed you that, you are most humble and modest. You have a great understanding of not just LED but everything build related. You never steer anyone wrong with solid advice you can take to the bank.
Don't ask me to figure things now though, I'm a few sheets to the wind atm. lol.
But I was just fixing a door my dog ate a hole through, and I can cut a hell of straight line, but not walk one. hehe
also managed to not drill a hole through my finger, so thats a plus. rofl.
 

Fr3nzy

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Sometimes I read stuff that says 20 per meter SOG, and 12 a meter for Scrog.
That would play well with the big light you have. Quick flip- giving a short canopy of buds. Point source lighting WILL give you coverage, given it is situated FAR enough away. That can not be done with an underpowered light.
If a guy went to buy ONE light, ,,you made the right choice. (Point-source) Only a powerfull light could illuminate the whole space.
I was thinking of a sog set up I have a cabinet in room I can veg in and flower in room. But then need another room off for a mother. These are all bag seeds
Not claiming to be any expert mang, more of a professional hobbyist imho.
But yes, I'd say I know a few things. lol.
(1 or 2 tops ;)

That real comparison number, LED to HID is subjective to what led you're comparing it to.
Especially with the advances that have come in the LED world in the last couple of years. Not only in their cost, but in what they're capable of.
The cobs in the light I built awhile back get like 130 some lumens per watt, and the newer tech led boards in another of my lights are more in the 180 lumen per watt rating. So its kind of a generalized comparison saying 60%. lol.
Some of the newest led tech is up in the 200+ range.
And yes I know plants don't care about the lumens necessarily, more about spectrum that makes up those amount of lumens, but lumen's are like the horsepower of the light for comparison sake.

What were we talking about again?
Oh yeah, it's Friday, weeds dank, and beers are in the fridge, help yourself. :superhappydance::superhappydance::superhappydance::superhappydance::dancingsmiley":dancingsmiley":bong::bong:

Not sure lumen to watt on my light, have it at 25" center gets 35k and other surrounding plants are at 25k, an inch away it's around 200k lux. My favorite thing is dead center light isnt over 95 f. Also the 6 fans produce decent airflow lol.

On 24 7 lights. When it was cold I used a 500 w halogen for heat. Will have baseboard by winter.
 

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Led interested me on the 425w =2k hps, well that's how they sold it to me and with little knowledge I said yep lol. Then started reading and realised I messed up. Thanks for input, I will be starting me next grow a few weeks before hopefully a harvest. If I grow in 3 gal and flip sooner I can get around 20 plants in same foot print. But I have 50 of these seeds. Thinking make floor rack bigger with new lights and grow all 50. But could possibly be a pipe dream we will see lol. There not feminized seeds so wont be 50 actually.
Im running a couple different LED setups... shoot me a pm anytime I can link you a few things.
 

Fr3nzy

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Im running a couple different LED setups... shoot me a pm anytime I can link you a few things.
I have been meaning to ask this a while back. Should I be running veg+bloom all the time? Only have it on veg. Also yes I will be giving you a msg. Bout to go build a rack to get ac up as high as I can. Then was thinking run a tube out of water collection tank and run into humidifier lol.
 

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I have been meaning to ask this a while back. Should I be running veg+bloom all the time? Only have it on veg. Also yes I will be giving you a msg. Bout to go build a rack to get ac up as high as I can. Then was thinking run a tube out of water collection tank and run into humidifier lol.
In my opinion, it depends on what you are running and when. I am actually not running veg/ bloom type nutrient at the moment. What are you running? Sorry if I missed it.
 

Fr3nzy

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In my opinion, it depends on what you are running and when. I am actually not running veg/ bloom type nutrient at the moment. What are you running? Sorry if I missed it.
Schultz 20 20 20 ? seems very aggressive, saying feed all plants the same but see diffrent problems between plants. Feeding low around 300ppm. I'll show pics there a little more noticeable today. Middle plant looks deficient af, while back left plant and front right look n toxic. All mild atm, maybe not the deficiency is more severe. Did a soil test last night on 2 diffrent containers. Seems ph might be low. By color it was 6 and it was very close to that color. Should I raise this with ph up in water or use a fine powder lime? Middle plant seems sulfur deficent in the progression stage. With most older leafs looking in early stage and newer looking in progression stage. Pictures in 10.
 

Fr3nzy

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So silly me try and diagnose a plant in blurple.....there seems to still be a problem but under normal light they look much better. N toxic on the 2 for sure clawing and very dark green. Prob just cal mag them 2 and feed the others. Any other advice? Besides hang a couple lights so I can flip em over to check haha.

I wasnt going to take any action till notifying the council ?

Next watering will probably be sun.

This is the middle plant and what I was basing my assumption off of.
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Back left n toxic I'd guess 20200523_002655.jpg 20200523_002702.jpg

Front right 20200523_002734.jpg

Other 2 20200523_002750.jpg 20200523_002717.jpg

Again wish I would of looked at natural light before speculating. Blurple kinda makes your plants look like shit. There is more of the waxy look on the 2 in blurple.
 

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So silly me try and diagnose a plant in blurple.....there seems to still be a problem but under normal light they look much better. N toxic on the 2 for sure clawing and very dark green. Prob just cal mag them 2 and feed the others. Any other advice? Besides hang a couple lights so I can flip em over to check haha.

I wasnt going to take any action till notifying the council ?

Next watering will probably be sun.

This is the middle plant and what I was basing my assumption off of.
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Back left n toxic I'd guess View attachment 11735 View attachment 11737

Front right View attachment 11738

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Again wish I would of looked at natural light before speculating. Blurple kinda makes your plants look like shit. There is more of the waxy look on the 2 in blurple.

I'm in hydro a majority of the time, so take this for what it is. Plants react quicker in hydro (good and bad), so I'm just commenting based on what I've seen show up suddenly (and what happens when the issue gets "remedied" quickly). The basic principle and concept of reading leaves still remains the same for the most part.

What is your pH? I agree N toxicity on a couple of the plants, but not too bad:
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They're not getting all waxy or alligator-skin yet, so not as severe as you may think.

This is where I see a pH issue forming:
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See the edges starting to yellow? Unstable pH can do this. For the plants that have nitrogen toxicity, it may be a nutrient lockout due to pH, so the plant is eating up a higher proportion of N to other nutes, because that's what's more available to consume since the others are locked out. You might want to consider a flush with pH'd water for a few days to a week.
 

Fr3nzy

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Thank you for advice! Makes since, my soil is at 6 wich is a tad low. I fed once at 5.7 then water with c mag at 6. Then got ph up and down and fed at 6.2. Guessing that's what dropped it. I know you said your hydro but do you know if I should water soil at 6.5? To balance it back or will i need a adative to raise it? Also the soil test I used was a reagent test and it was matching colors. So I know it's around 6. Is there a way to take the dirt add distilled water? And check with my ph meter?
 

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I know you said your hydro but do you know if I should water soil at 6.5? To balance it back or will i need a adative to raise it?
Take a look here:
There are a few charts that show suggested optimal pH ranges with the amount of availability for each nutrient as it relates to the pH value. They are different by a few decimal points, but I believe it's all somewhat relative, just like how even different models of the same brands of pH meters using the same model of probe can have differences. I have a Bluelab Guardian and a Bluelab Combo Meter. They're typically different by 1 decimal point, with the Combo Meter reading higher of the two most of the time. So as long as you're within that general range, then "feel" your way into what the sweet spot is for the plant. The meters are just a guide. Your eyes, hands, nose (sometimes even ears) are your best guides. Many folks run without checking pH. I've done it, in hydro too, but I've always had better plants if I kept up on it. When you look at the charts, notice that the availability of each nutrient is different at different pH values. I am a believer in allowing pH to swing, typically low to high, then knocking it back down again, rinse, repeat - to allow for the uptake of those nutrients at the different availability rates. The direction that your PPM and pH values go is very telling and can help up your game big time in dialing in your grow. There's a chart there in that link as well, my favorite. Most of the time, your nutes have buffers to help bring it to within that range. Check your base water first, so you can get the feel of how much pH down/pH up you need to use if you go that route. Should only be a tiny bit at a time, a little goes a LONG way. Typically if things are going right, you should rarely need to go pH up, it should naturally go up on its own, even if steadily. There are also less "chemical" ways like vinegar and baking soda.

Is there a way to take the dirt add distilled water? And check with my ph meter?
Many people check the runoff after watering, but if you're already having over watering issues, you can take the dirt, put it in distilled water, stir it up, let it sit for 30 min or so, pour it through a coffee filter to another glass, then test it.
 

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Take a look here:
There are a few charts that show suggested optimal pH ranges with the amount of availability for each nutrient as it relates to the pH value. They are different by a few decimal points, but I believe it's all somewhat relative, just like how even different models of the same brands of pH meters using the same model of probe can have differences. I have a Bluelab Guardian and a Bluelab Combo Meter. They're typically different by 1 decimal point, with the Combo Meter reading higher of the two most of the time. So as long as you're within that general range, then "feel" your way into what the sweet spot is for the plant. The meters are just a guide. Your eyes, hands, nose (sometimes even ears) are your best guides. Many folks run without checking pH. I've done it, in hydro too, but I've always had better plants if I kept up on it. When you look at the charts, notice that the availability of each nutrient is different at different pH values. I am a believer in allowing pH to swing, typically low to high, then knocking it back down again, rinse, repeat - to allow for the uptake of those nutrients at the different availability rates. The direction that your PPM and pH values go is very telling and can help up your game big time in dialing in your grow. There's a chart there in that link as well, my favorite. Most of the time, your nutes have buffers to help bring it to within that range. Check your base water first, so you can get the feel of how much pH down/pH up you need to use if you go that route. Should only be a tiny bit at a time, a little goes a LONG way. Typically if things are going right, you should rarely need to go pH up, it should naturally go up on its own, even if steadily. There are also less "chemical" ways like vinegar and baking soda.


Many people check the runoff after watering, but if you're already having over watering issues, you can take the dirt, put it in distilled water, stir it up, let it sit for 30 min or so, pour it through a coffee filter to another glass, then test it.
Yep. Slurry test the soil with distilled water like spy said.
 

Fr3nzy

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Well good news not ph lol on the green plant in middle its 6.46 and dark possibly n toxic is 6.32 I'd assume lower due to the excess nitrogen? Would feeding the 3 light ones and just calmag on the 2 dark ones? I know it has n in it but its low. Also on the ones I feed should I up ppm? Also flipping soon within a couple days should I add bloom fert yet? 20200523_151247.jpg 20200523_151828.jpg
 

Fr3nzy

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After seeing chart I'm a little high, they are ready for water so should I be phing solution lower. Last water/feed I was around 6.3.
 

Fr3nzy

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Flipping at 7 am, been fighting ac and fan placement and how much intake all day. Got it to where I had 67% rh at 77 when it was 90 out at 75%. Turned all lights off and checked for light leaks. One fan has blue lights I covered and the ac has green but a button to turn off display. 20200524_174448.jpg 20200524_174530.jpg 20200524_174548.jpg
 
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