Growing stuff and doing things

[dstroy0]

Personally by the looks of things I'd prefer the cob side.

Blue photons are higher energy than red. Photons are released in the photosynthesis reaction. Those photons posess less energy than the original photon. It takes more than one photon to complete the photosynthesis reaction but I can't find anything that says it can't be the same original photon. I feel like this is what creates the different morphology. In a sense the cell doesn't have to wait for another photon to come along, its already there. So it does what its programmed to do reproduce more cells like it so the incoming energy can be processed. Funny the system breaks under monochromatic light though.

Photon energy level is inversely proportional to wavelength. It's a minimum of eight photons to complete the reaction, certain mixes of photon flux have a real effect on morphology because of the distinct excitation spectra of the two photosystems PSI and PSII.

Why Far-Red Photons Should Be Included in the Definition of Photosynthetic Photons and the Measurement of Horticultural Fixture Efficacy

Historical background. Photosynthesis has long been known to be wavelength-dependent (Hoover, 1937;Emerson and Lewis, 1943). At low photon flux densities, McCree (1971) and Inada (1976) found that red photons (600-700 nm) drive photosynthesis more efficiently than green (500-600 nm), followed by...

www.frontiersin.org

 

[dstroy0]

@SSGrower Photon decay is regulated by energy level, above 1 MeV and it decays into an electron positron on interaction, the electron is scavenged by the photosynthetic electron transport chain, so it can't be the original photon, which is now an electron/positron or neutrino/antineutrino pair.

 

[DopeDaniel]

@SSGrower Photon decay is regulated by energy level, above 1 MeV and it decays into an electron positron on interaction, the electron is scavenged by the photosynthetic electron transport chain, so it can't be the original photon, which is now an electron/positron or neutrino/antineutrino pair.

I am missing something here then. Perhaps it is the way the subatomic particles were designated in the diagram I am recalling (stoner mind trap). We havent even broached ketosythentic reactios. This is what convinced me to stop breaking spectra apart too complicated for my home grow.

 

[dstroy0]

Edbert tucked himself into my daughters bed hahahahaha




Such a good kitty I’m glad we found him

 

[Caddis]

Why Far-Red Photons Should Be Included in the Definition of Photosynthetic Photons and the Measurement of Horticultural Fixture Efficacy

Historical background. Photosynthesis has long been known to be wavelength-dependent (Hoover, 1937;Emerson and Lewis, 1943). At low photon flux densities, McCree (1971) and Inada (1976) found that red photons (600-700 nm) drive photosynthesis more efficiently than green (500-600 nm), followed by...

www.frontiersin.org

Sorry if this is oversimplifying this, but basically the studies show I should be running my Rapid Far Red pucks during the flower cycle?
Veg would cause a lot of stretch, wouldn’t it.
Running cobs and boards diy.

 

[MtRainDog]

Sorry if this is oversimplifying this, but basically the studies show I should be running my Rapid Far Red pucks during the flower cycle?
Veg would cause a lot of stretch, wouldn’t it.
Running cobs and boards diy.

I've got two 2x2 tents side by side. One runs an HLG100 @4000K, the other is the HLG100 R-Spec with far reds. I don't notice more stretch under the far reds, but IME the plants veg better/faster under the blue-leaning light.

 

[dstroy0]

Sorry if this is oversimplifying this, but basically the studies show I should be running my Rapid Far Red pucks during the flower cycle?
Veg would cause a lot of stretch, wouldn’t it.
Running cobs and boards diy.

This will answer that question better than I can.

 

[Caddis]

This will answer that question better than I can.

That was enlightening, the percentage of far red needs to be calculated to be productive, so no I can’t really just run them blind?
To play, you need an Apogee with the Farpar sensor.
Thanks for the link!

 

[dstroy0]

That was enlightening, the percentage of far red needs to be calculated to be productive, so no I can’t really just run them blind?
To play, you need an Apogee with the Farpar sensor.
Thanks for the link!

You can guess really close by adding up what you have now if they put out the umol for your lights. I think apogees Farpar is ePAR now, the meter I have measures far red and quantum.

 

[Idlewilder]

Love the journal man. I feel dumb ?

 

[GthaEnigma]

Amen. Whenever I am feeling a little too smart, I stop here or @dstroy0’s journals to cure it.

 

[dstroy0]

Love the journal man. I feel dumb ?

Amen. Whenever I am feeling a little too smart, I stop here or @dstroy0’s journals to cure it.

This is the fun science zone where you get to smoke the science!

I really appreciate everyone's contributions here, I try and figure out the mechanisms of your successes all the time.

 

[Jewels]

so no I can’t really just run them blind?

Sure you can.

Without knowing a plants exact exact needs at that moment, we can safely provide most things in excess. [Assuming anything above the minimum requirement would be defined as excess. ]
Many of our inputs are over- provided.
,,, a little is good- too much is bad. Same could be said for most inputs.
Nothing absent- nothing in excess. The middle of the road will usually get you where you are going.

 

[Caddis]

Sure you can.

Without knowing a plants exact exact needs at that moment, we can safely provide most things in excess. [Assuming anything above the minimum requirement would be defined as excess. ]
Many of our inputs are over- provided.
,,, a little is good- too much is bad. Same could be said for most inputs.
Nothing absent- nothing in excess. The middle of the road will usually get you where you are going.

Unregulated excess in my experience usually fucks things up!
Did you watch the video where he talks about too much Far red being harmful?
If I could dim the Rapid pucks I have, I could start guessing slow?
I’ve seen what starting Far Red too early, what little I’ve run them at lights out.
Stretch a plant out pretty good, no backing that up.
If I got real serious, the Apogee would be the way to go.
To bad someone doesn’t have a rental program.

 

[Jewels]

you watch the video where he talks about too much Far red being harmful?

No, I missed that.
Just following reason that
deep red is still 70% relative solar output.
Pretty tough to match the sun across an entire canopy of a tent.

 

[Caddis]

No, I missed that.
Just following reason that
deep red is still 70% relative solar output.

I guess I need you to explain what that means in relation to how hard to run the Far red indoors?

Maybe we need to get off @dstroy0’s lawn!

 

[dstroy0]

No way you guys can stay I’ll make baloney and cheese sandwiches and we can watch roadhouse.

 

[Brokehoe]

Bologna named after place of origin

Bologna - Wikipedia

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Sorry, now I'm just trying to look smart. Lol only time it's going to happened in your journal. ?

 

[dstroy0]

Bologna named after place of origin

Bologna - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Sorry, now I'm just trying to look smart. Lol only time it's going to happened in your journal. ?

Whoa I was talking some baloney none of that bo log na here

Aren’t they interchangeable spellings in N. America? I like words with duality.

 

[Brokehoe]

Whoa I was talking some baloney none of that bo log na here

Aren’t they interchangeable spellings in N. America? I like words with duality.

Yes sir.
Me too.
I love thick cut bologna 1/2" with cheese (American) with a large portion of mayonnaise and lite on the mustard.
If I'm feeling really good fry an egg? and add that to toasted bread. ?
Damn I'm hungry now