Junk"s House

[SmithsJunk]

I'm using 3gal pots as starters for some of my girls. Because of the small sise of the pots a very delicate balance between over and under watering must be maintained. The plants in these pots are between 3.5ft and 4ft, which is about the max an outdoor soil grown plant can reach in a container this sise without using any special techniques.

I see this as an opportunity to show any new growers what to look for to avoid swamping or drying out your plants...

Underwatered, the youngest shoots will be limp and the leaves taco'd, the mature leaves will hang.

Overwatered, the leaves will have a puffy look and the tips will curl down.

Properly watered, mature leaves will be crisp and straight with the tips very slightly upturned.


This guide is primarily for the veg cycle but also for mature leaves (water leaves) during the flower cycle. Plants will often show signs of overwatering while they're bring watered and for a short period afterward, this is normal. Try not to do any continuous watering for longer than 20min and make sure they have good soil drainage or you run the risk of suffocating and destroying fragile root hairs.

A good grow guide like The Cannabis Encyclopedia will give you the basics on how to read the leaves to diagnose most conditions.

 

[SmithsJunk]

The Venom has been in the shed for 2 days. Estimating about 12lbs of Key Lime Pie when fully trimmed and cured and a little under another lb hanging with the Venom (meh, sh*t yield). I figure on maybe 18-20lbs of Venom. This is definitely not winning me over to dep growing. My very worst outdoor full season plant yielded 1.25lbs and my best over 7lbs. We'll see if it's the greenhouse or the dep this run. My grower friends tell me that's the way dep goes.

Yesterday planted 10 of my girls, 9 strains, then lolly-popped em. Most of them being a couple months old already will compensate a bit for the loss of grow time during the dep run.

Rooting the 6 strains of clones.

Kept back 8 females for my private outdoor grow and breeding. Will up-plant to 10gal pots tomorrow. Still figuring how I'm going to do the 2 males, maybe take clones and flip em in the closet. Any ideas on cheap containment are welcome.

 

[SmithsJunk]

I think Ive gotten to the root of the problem with my weak plants and low yield.

I noticed when I dug holes for the new trees the very bottom of the pots were a bit dry. The larger root balls from the last harvest had a lot of strong lateral subsurface tendrils but no substantial vertical taproots. With this planting I bermed the sides to pool water in the center and I'll be using a surfactant on a regular basis for better soil penetration. Ive been losing too much water out the sides of the smartpots and the root systems have been following it. The plants I've grown from seed have quite vigorous root systems so I dont forsee any issues but the clones will need to be trained to go deep.

 

[SmithsJunk]

Greenhouse trees... or will be.

Citrol Sledgehammer (Phylex, GK)

Uzi Cookies (JWM2, The Growing Rack)

Kashmir99 (Srenots, Reno Genetics)

Banana Crack (me), 3rd gen from my plants.

Black Abyss (Phylex, GK)

Ground Pounder (Phylex, GK)

Jack Herer (Phylex, GK), 2nd gen from my plant.

Hyper Blue Pie (Srenots, Reno Genetics)

Blunt Force Trauma (Phylex, GK)


I like the gear from everyone on this list but I gotta give @Phylex a plug cause nearly every single bean from him germinated and produced highly vigorous plants. I wish I had the space to keep the 9Pound Hammer males but I'm pushing it with just the Banana Crack and Jack Herer.

I'm not pressed for a quick yield on this run so I'll be doing supercropping, docking, and maybe LST. I'll see how it looks time wise after I get the clones in the pots to see if a ScrOG is possible. I really want to do one and it'd be a perfect contrast to the lollypops.

In less than a week I'll be building bamboo cages for the trees. Last run was so go go go with limited funds but this one is going to be fun.

 

[Phylex]

Everything is looking on point as usual brother. I would love to see what you could do with some God O War outdoors.

 

[SmithsJunk]

Everything is looking on point as usual brother. I would love to see what you could do with some God O War outdoors.

Thanks brother, always up for a challenge.

There's this little meadow about 50ft up the property from my porch. I'd like to set up three plants in 400gal-500gal pots there. They would have to be giant strains like Super Silver Haze, Royal Nepal Kush, Royal Dane, Jack Herer, or Tahoe OG to take advantage of those pots and I'd need to start them indoors late Feb-early Mar. They'd need a support structure that could handle 20'-25' plants so I'd build em with 4x4's I-bolts and coated steel cables. Grow em like hops. Been dreaming of that project for the last 4yrs.

Like this dude did (picture I found on Pinterest) but with 4x4's and cables to handle more weight and stay stable during storms.

That's an easy 15lbs-20lbs per plant. I could just use cables to create the box and web in between with trellis like he did. This dude knows WTF he's doin.

 

[GthaEnigma]

I think Ive gotten to the root of the problem with my weak plants and low yield.
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I noticed when I dug holes for the new trees the very bottom of the pots were a bit dry. The larger root balls from the last harvest had a lot of strong lateral subsurface tendrils but no substantial vertical taproots. With this planting I bermed the sides to pool water in the center and I'll be using a surfactant on a regular basis for better soil penetration. Ive been losing too much water out the sides of the smartpots and the root systems have been following it. The plants I've grown from seed have quite vigorous root systems so I dont forsee any issues but the clones will need to be trained to go deep.

You might try sourcing some tree seedling startin pots like they use for the pine and firs. Extra tall.

 

[SmithsJunk]

You might try sourcing some tree seedling startin pots like they use for the pine and firs. Extra tall.

At 1st I did consider building large banded containers like you're talking about but I decided to go with cloth pots instead.

I've been thinking about how to go about doing this for some time now and doing my best to anticipate unforeseen problems. You have to figure at a certain sise a smartpot loses it's benefits and just becomes a raised bed. What will be needed to stimulate massive root growth so the plant in it becomes more than any other normal sised bush? I think the pic I posted has some answers to that question. Roots will only reach as far as they need to drink. Both oversaturated and dry soil will impede further development. Setting a large smartpot directly on the ground will severely hinder drainage but a wide shallow cloth pot placed on a raised bed of gravel solves that problem. I'll get great water penetration and drainage while still getting the benefit of air pruning for an exponential multiplication of root tendrils. Taproots will quickly reach the bottom while chasing water, this in combination with the air pruned lateral tendrils should create an extensive root system. This should give me great nutrient and water delivery and thats crucial to growing these massive trees.

With this sise root base it would be nearly impossible, if not, then highly impractical to try to water by pooling. To pull off monsters they need concentric circles of soaker hoses. As a topping I'll spread cheap, high nitrogen, bat guano for fast growing green tops mixed with that expensive seasoned high phosphorus bat guano to promote root development during veg. (Make sure when you buy bat guano it's been sterilised because there are fungal spores that can kill you with a quickness. Also, always wear a mask with any form of bat guano since, even sterilised, it can cause flu-like syptoms if inhaled. Sterilised pelletised guano is safest.)


If I could, I would turn this whole property into a giant cannabis fairy garden.

 

[GthaEnigma]

At 1st I did consider building large banded containers like you're talking about but I decided to go with cloth pots instead.

I've been thinking about how to go about doing this for some time now and doing my best to anticipate unforeseen problems. You have to figure at a certain sise a smartpot loses it's benefits and just becomes a raised bed. What will be needed to stimulate massive root growth so the plant in it becomes more than any other normal sised bush? I think the pic I posted has some answers to that question. Roots will only reach as far as they need to drink. Both oversaturated and dry soil will impede further development. Setting a large smartpot directly on the ground will severely hinder drainage but a wide shallow cloth pot placed on a raised bed of gravel solves that problem. I'll get great water penetration and drainage while still getting the benefit of air pruning for an exponential multiplication of root tendrils. Taproots will quickly reach the bottom while chasing water, this in combination with the air pruned lateral tendrils should create an extensive root system. This should give me great nutrient and water delivery and thats crucial to growing these massive trees.

With this sise root base it would be nearly impossible, if not, then highly impractical to try to water by pooling. To pull off monsters they need concentric circles of soaker hoses. As a topping I'll spread cheap, high nitrogen, bat guano for fast growing green tops mixed with that expensive seasoned high phosphorus bat guano to promote root development during veg. (Make sure when you buy bat guano it's been sterilised because there are fungal spores that can kill you with a quickness. Also, always wear a mask with any form of bat guano since, even sterilised, it can cause flu-like syptoms if inhaled. Sterilised pelletised guano is safest.)


If I could, I would turn this whole property into a giant cannabis fairy garden.

Learned about the mask the hard way last summer. Took almost a month to recover. Popped the top on a five gal bucket of moldy guano at my buddy's and caught a face full. Bucket was labeled alfalfa. Nope. My stomach is turning just thinking about it.

 

[spyralout]

I would love to see what you could do with some God O War outdoors.

I second this. God O War would be an absolute MONSTER BEAST outdoors. I've grown out over 50 GOW indoors so I feel I can make this assessment properly lol.

 

[SmithsJunk]

Everything is looking on point as usual brother. I would love to see what you could do with some God O War outdoors.

If you'd like I can X-breed with the 3nd gen of that Jack Herer you sent me and send you back beans. My male JH is a monster and already spittin pollen everywhere. That was definitely a Cup worthy plant last year at 5lbs+ and mellow, yet powerful, flowers. Im breeding regs of Jack Herer & Banana Crack with everything running right now.

(JH male - front row right, female - front row left )

I second this. God O War would be an absolute MONSTER BEAST outdoors. I've grown out over 50 GOW indoors so I feel I can make this assessment properly lol.

It's definitely something I'd like to try out and would love to X-breed it with some of my own monsters. If you ever get a lead on legit Royal Nepal Kush or Royal Dane I'm very interested.

 

[SmithsJunk]

The greenhouse transplants are looking good. Haven't dug into the surrounding soil much yet so they're still requiring daily watering but overall the girls are doing quite well.

The clones are rapidly spreading tendrils into the soil. When I used Nuke Em to exterminate some aphids a lot of the shoots were fried but even the roughest ones are now showing fresh leaf sites. Looking like we're gonna get a 100% success rate.

 

[spyralout]

The greenhouse transplants are looking good. Haven't dug into the surrounding soil much yet so they're still requiring daily watering but overall the girls are doing quite well.
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The clones are rapidly spreading tendrils into the soil. When I used Nuke Em to exterminate some aphids a lot of the shoots were fried but even the roughest ones are now showing fresh leaf sites. Looking like we're gonna get a 100% success rate.
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Square pots FTW . Looking great my friend.

 

[Phylex]

Do you already have God O War, or do you still need some? I can send you a couple of packs if needed. Just let me know.

 

[Phylex]

Also, I don’t have any Royal Nepal Kush, but I do have plenty of Nepal Highland. I can send some of those too if you want to play around with those as well. I know how much you appreciate THC-V. THC-V was one of my main purposes of working with the Nepal Highland IBL’s.

 

[SmithsJunk]

Do you already have God O War, or do you still need some? I can send you a couple of packs if needed. Just let me know.

Also, I don’t have any Royal Nepal Kush, but I do have plenty of Nepal Highland. I can send some of those too if you want to play around with those as well. I know how much you appreciate THC-V. THC-V was one of my main purposes of working with the Nepal Highland IBL’s.

Right on brother.

I've never heard of God of War before you mentioned it. Any heavy yielders you'd like me to X with my own, send the beans, and I'll send you back the resulting beans at the end of the season. I'll be sending you some of each this fall including pure Jack Herer and Banana Crack.

 

[Phylex]

God O War was my last drop. It’s Ghost Train Haze #1 x 9lb. Hammer. I’ll send some with some Nepal Highland. Just email me your mailing info again. phylexmarks@gmail.com

 

[SmithsJunk]

Key Lime Pie kief

Didn't get a chance to shake the sugar before it hashed up.

 

[SmithsJunk]

God O War was my last drop. It’s Ghost Train Haze #1 x 9lb. Hammer. I’ll send some with some Nepal Highland. Just email me your mailing info again. phylexmarks@gmail.com

Sure man, thanks. It'll be fun to try out more of your gear and I love X'ing anything that comes from a great breeder.

 

[SmithsJunk]

Putting the clones in the pots today or tomorrow. The trees are doing well. Hitting them all with water every day, taking advantage of this heat wave with some quick growth. Added Heavy Harvest 22-11-11 around the edge of the irrigation bowls and Blue Gold yucca adjuvant for great water penetration, nutrient delivery, and better heat & cold tolerance. This run I'm planning on going with Alaska fish emulsion, FoxFarm Grow Big, Alaska bloom, FoxFarm Tiger Bloom, FoxFarm Open Sesame & Beastie Bloomz, and Krazy Kelp. I use the cheap Alaska to fortify the more expensive FoxFarm with base nutes that won't burn if overused. I have grown massive beasts using this technique, without breaking the bank. I'd normally top with bat guano but the Heavy Harvest has that covered.

Adding 2 more from my garden to the greenhouse in trade for a couple clones the heat hit hard. Now that I have a final tally on the girls going to the greenhouse I can up-plant the rest to 10gal cloth pots. The boys are already in 5gal pots and there's no need to up-plant because they wont be around that long.

The big Jack Herer male is loaded with nuts and firing off everywhere. Not concerned about it at the moment, no one nearby has anything in flower. Been knocking the preflower popps into a silicon rosin container to collect the early pollen or nipping em off if it already dropped.