Just spotted this afternoon

[Frosty78]

Evening ladies and gentlemen I just spotted this on a seedling and a plant that's about 5 weeks old. Both are same stray dogs Thai.
They are due a water tomorrow. Temps are 24c 60% humidity.
I just lifted the light a couple of inches higher incase it was burn or something. Water and worm tea is all I've been watering them with. They are like they are shrinking with yellow mottling. I'm watering and potting into bigger pots tomorrow. The pots they are in the roots are starting to come out bottom so due.
What am I looking at and treatment fellas?

 

[Frosty78]

I'm a little worried tmv. I'm going to isolate them and put them outside in veggie greenhouse. Rocky 4 will happen then. I have plenty of plants so not going to risk it for the biscuit but will continue to grow outside and see what becomes of it

 

[Smokieokie]

Have they been sprayed with anything? I had a few young plants do that a few days after being sprayed with sulfur. I later learned you need to give plants 4 days or so before using sulfur after they have been sprayed with any essential oils. Just a thought?, hope you or someone here can figure it out ??.

 

[Frosty78]

Have they been sprayed with anything? I had a few young plants do that a few days after being sprayed with sulfur. I later learned you need to give plants 4 days or so before using sulfur after they have been sprayed with any essential oils. Just a thought?, hope you or someone here can figure it out ??.

Thanks smoke. The bigger one looks much better this morning and the seedling still the same. I'll give them another day to be safe then.

 

[Frosty78]

I ripped the entire tent out. Sterilised and bug bombed that and the room. Checked the roots of plants incase some rot. Pristine white fuzzy myco roots. I did find some pests underneath. I've drenched leaves top stems and.underside with pyrethrum. Some leaves look like theyve been munched overnight. Well with the purethrum, bug bombs and h202 clean hopefully the bastards are dead. I'm going to wait on repot today to be safe. Watch and see if anything else develops. The led lights are on 25% so it's like an overcast day.
Hopefully good news tomorrow.
Otherwise it's cull time on affected plants

 

[Smokieokie]

Those little sap suckers could definitely be the culprit. I bet you got em beat with what you have done.

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

Im not sure cuz I haven't had to fight them yet but russet mites can affect plant growth.

 

[Smokieokie]

Im not sure cuz I haven't had to fight them yet but russet mites can affect plant growth.

Is that what the dark ones are? I was looking at the little greenish ones and thought they were aphids? your probably right though

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

Is that what the dark ones are? I was looking at the little greenish ones and thought they were aphids? your probably right though

I was just looking/talking about the gnarly plant growth. I think I've seen people say that is from russet mites but not sure.

 

[Frosty78]

G'day guys, russet mites, spider mites and aphids. The pyrethrum really knocked them around. Plants looked horrible for a week after. Looked wilted twisted etc. The small seedling I fed tank water and worked out a ph issue which did that mutant business. It's recovered and you'd never know. I pulled out all wrinkly shitty infected leaves too, reasoning behind it was get rid of damaged areas so plant can focus on growing instead of fighting off. The others are looking good. I'm spraying twice a week with a home made fungicide, pesticide mix.
The vegetable oil in in suffocates them, dishwasher liquid is surfactant and various herbs black pepper chilli etc to help ward them off. I think it was a triple threat. Ph tap water no good, pests and humidity too high in there while I was waiting for exhaust fan to land. Now they have their toes in and looking good. Pyrethrum I will only use as a last resort.

 

[Smokieokie]

G'day guys, russet mites, spider mites and aphids. The pyrethrum really knocked them around. Plants looked horrible for a week after. Looked wilted twisted etc. The small seedling I fed tank water and worked out a ph issue which did that mutant business. It's recovered and you'd never know. I pulled out all wrinkly shitty infected leaves too, reasoning behind it was get rid of damaged areas so plant can focus on growing instead of fighting off. The others are looking good. I'm spraying twice a week with a home made fungicide, pesticide mix.
The vegetable oil in in suffocates them, dishwasher liquid is surfactant and various herbs black pepper chilli etc to help ward them off. I think it was a triple threat. Ph tap water no good, pests and humidity too high in there while I was waiting for exhaust fan to land. Now they have their toes in and looking good. Pyrethrum I will only use as a last resort.

Glad to hear that they are doing better ?. It's a rollercoaster sometimes.

 

[Frosty78]

Tried rotating pyrethrum through again....it's bloody done. They've curled again. Pyrethrum is banned. I'm going to get neem and use my home made natural fungicide pesticide and rotate through. I'll add bacillus subtillus once a week preflower and flower. Pyrthrum is done. Twice used twice curled so bye bye.
Now another week for them to bounce back.
You love you learn.

 

[DopeDaniel]

Pyrethrum is banned.

I wouldn't ban it, its a tool, you know the limitations now, once or twice a cycle only.
In general grandevo and vinerate have been very effective for me but idk if you can get them. One prevents molting, the other prevents them from laying huge numbers of eggs. Together they can prevent an outbreak but ime you need a knockout, or rounds of knockouts here. Indoor shit will just laugh at things that work outdoor too. No. 1 Be sure what your dealing with first. The curling sounds like mites, the green things look like aphids to me but I am notoriously bad at bug ID.

 

[Frosty78]

I wouldn't ban it, its a tool, you know the limitations now, once or twice a cycle only.
In general grandevo and vinerate have been very effective for me but idk if you can get them. One prevents molting, the other prevents them from laying huge numbers of eggs. Together they can prevent an outbreak but ime you need a knockout, or rounds of knockouts here. Indoor shit will just laugh at things that work outdoor too. No. 1 Be sure what your dealing with first. The curling sounds like mites, the green things look like aphids to me but I am notoriously bad at bug ID.

Spot on. Indoor plants are insane for being soft compared to outdoors, ph wind ipm etc lol. 24 hrs ago they were due another spray. I've been using an old recipe. Has essential oils and vegetable/sunflower oil in it and surfactant. Chilli's, garlic, onion turmeric powder few others. It's great. I've been using that since the pyrtehrum curl. Plants curled after I sprayed pyrethrum, was going to hit them again as a maintenance. Everything under control but thought switch it up incase they are getting used to it. Plants looking good I spray and bang every plant curled. I'm going to try neem and my natural spray moving forward. I'll look at the suggestions you made and see if they are available here. I'll run them through if need be. All the plants prior to last spray were purring along and bugs under control, if not wiped out.. minuscule numbers getting hit twice a week. Ah well you live you learn

 

[Psychobilly]

You ever tried Ladybugs ? They work pretty good indoor or out; We just ordered and released about 3,000 of them in one of the tents and all over each plant outside last week and it was 10 dollars for 3,000.

You can order them, and then place them in the fridge for I think up to 2 weeks if need be, and all you do is make sure it's either cloudy or dark outside, and put them on the soil AND the plant itself, each plant, and it does help if the plants are wet from Rain, as they will start breeding once they have a food and water source. For indoor it's probably easier to deal with as you can just wait until the lights go out, and make sure there's some water, and let them free in the tent. They eat Mites, they eat Aphids, and they breed and don't harm your plants. Also you can get a bunch of them for a lot cheaper than trying to spray anything too. I noticed a few Aphids on one of my plants a few months ago and they spread to like one or two others but not in any real numbers, and with the Ladybugs they should be gone soon. Baby Ladybugs all the way up to adults eat pests so even when you have newly hatched ones, they too help get rid of problem insects.

For me it's a lot more cost effective; I've got plants that I can't even reach the tops of, and spraying something THAT size multiple times, even if I make the spray myself out of ground up Ghost Peppers and Dawn soap... That's a LOT of spray.

 

[Frosty78]

You ever tried Ladybugs ? They work pretty good indoor or out; We just ordered and released about 3,000 of them in one of the tents and all over each plant outside last week and it was 10 dollars for 3,000.

You can order them, and then place them in the fridge for I think up to 2 weeks if need be, and all you do is make sure it's either cloudy or dark outside, and put them on the soil AND the plant itself, each plant, and it does help if the plants are wet from Rain, as they will start breeding once they have a food and water source. For indoor it's probably easier to deal with as you can just wait until the lights go out, and make sure there's some water, and let them free in the tent. They eat Mites, they eat Aphids, and they breed and don't harm your plants. Also you can get a bunch of them for a lot cheaper than trying to spray anything too. I noticed a few Aphids on one of my plants a few months ago and they spread to like one or two others but not in any real numbers, and with the Ladybugs they should be gone soon. Baby Ladybugs all the way up to adults eat pests so even when you have newly hatched ones, they too help get rid of problem insects.

For me it's a lot more cost effective; I've got plants that I can't even reach the tops of, and spraying something THAT size multiple times, even if I make the spray myself out of ground up Ghost Peppers and Dawn soap... That's a LOT of spray.

I'll have a look, cheers.

 

[Ramjet159]

Bugs For Bugs

bugsforbugs.com.au

I’ve used these guys before . Ladybugs need some mothering if you go down that path . The lacewings worked ok

 

[Ramjet159]

These worked well to reduce spidermite etc numbers . They’re not cheap though so loosen the sphincter before pushing add to cart

 

[Frosty78]

The old tight arse in me is going to have to open the wallet it seems.

 

[Sugar Pops420]

I know it sounds like a long shot, but have a look around for any ants, they farm aphids and use spider mites as workers.. ( no joke)..
ya never know, could be how they get in!.
Might be worth investigating, but I’m really stoned, so take it with a grain of salt..lol