OG Kush!

since we have a chemdog thread and no apparent og kush.... why not. i'm posting the assumed 2 stories of the origins of OG below, but please use this thread for any and all OG Kush related material. I'll dig around my pics and post what i've run, and what i know to be verified pics of OG. all about history in general, so this is pure fun for me.

i'm not an og expert, just a psychotic fiend for it. i've ran primarily just two cuts that have any "purity" to them.. and smoked most every og i could find. still do.

soooo. if i'm just plain wrong about anything, please let me know. we can hash it out right here and clear up some of our collective confusion. i've done my best to stay relevant and factual as possible.

1ST STORY (origins_tk)

"Triangle Kush and OG Kush , both seeds made in south Florida in 1991 in the same garage of Marty. The mother was called Emerald Triangle (in our circle from around ‘87) and that garage was stuffed wall to wall with it , A pack of Hindu Kush seeds that I bought from Neville , Amsterdam in 1989 was being tested after a pre sex test . One of those pre sexed Hindu Kush seeds created a bit of unseen pollen near the AC intake , that managed to make seeds thru out that entire 12 light garage . Those lbs where then sold by myself to a close buddy near Orlando , where he would then piece them out to his circle of friends . One of his buddies would find the Triangle Kush seed and another guy found the Kush seed that would later get named OG Kush once it made its way west to California . I’ve seen countless people claiming or insisting Chemdog is the parent to OG kush but with out a shadow of a doubt it’s not unless they share dna from years earlier or maybe from the Hindu Kush genetics from Neville in ‘89 . The Emerald Triangle strain was given to my old partner from an older head from the Washington area before I ever even knew he was a grower as I was buying pounds of it already to sell in 87-88 . OG is not Chemdog simple facts . Added fact , The Emerald Triangle leaned more towards a earthy spicy , flower smelling , sweet candy like terps and not chemi or fuel like at all . fuel or gassy terps must have came from the Hindu ."

copy and pasted from seedfinder, but thats the story from origins_tk. personally not believing this outright. mainly just see holes... and opportunities to capitalize on the confusion. late. it makes... too much sense for being clear as mud. but moving along.

2ND STORY (?)

on the adam dunn show this dave mann/dave richards character shared his... info. in a series of og origins podcasts where the hosts called and discussed OG with some of the growers involved. josh D and bubba berger, orgnkid, and several others were called in (their story is farther down the line, but was verified on-air).

S1E43 The TRUE History of OG Kush - The Adam Dunn Show

3 acres of underground bunkers and a hashplant backcross breeding program for the modern day 20% thc indica... maybe it's just me being an east coaster, but i've watched meth-amped SWAT teams raid houses over 1 gram of cannabis. 3 acres of underground stank in arizona... would expect everyone involved to either flip or stay in prison.

he (since this guy has two names... "he") claims OGK to be of hashplant thai afghan origin, more specifically a bx3 of hashplant thai afghan that rodelized (selfed). to me i agree with that lineage more, at least in theory. some of his other claims... are harder to believe.

MEH?

i've always known OG to be golf ball nug producing, moderate yielding, long internode spacing, and semi stretchy to very stretchy depending. swollen calyxs, pungent smell, and high calyx to leaf ratio.

the fire cut i had would outgrow everything untrained, and turn into spaghetti madness. in contrast, the hells and the ghost both grow sturdier, and shorter. sfv much like the fire, but i've yet to finish an sfv run. lost the cut before i had it rooted:snoop:

tahoe and hells both always seemed very closely related, at least in end result (flower), but not in growth patterns or structure. can smell taste and feel the similarity very obviously, despite the claims of hells being crossed to blackberry.

thats about all i can say definitively on OGK traits without just guessing. haven't ran them all and never had the opportunity to sit down and sample them all.

as far as the origin stories, like most of our lore, a lot of it doesn't add up. i've just collected the data and posted it here. if i was to side with any part of this, i believe orgnkid josh d and bubba berger 100%. at least that part of the background is verifiable, and i was on that forum at that time where these cuts were sent out by orgnkid. was a lot like the gsc feeding frenzy, except it wasn't bottlenecked trash. oops.:slapping:

personally would love to see what info the pheno community has to share. i know at least one of our more prolific members here has "the" potential cut... and no i'm not telling.

peas
 

Frimpong

🔥Freak Genetics🔥
since we have a chemdog thread and no apparent og kush.... why not. i'm posting the assumed 2 stories of the origins of OG below, but please use this thread for any and all OG Kush related material. I'll dig around my pics and post what i've run, and what i know to be verified pics of OG. all about history in general, so this is pure fun for me.

i'm not an og expert, just a psychotic fiend for it. i've ran primarily just two cuts that have any "purity" to them.. and smoked most every og i could find. still do.

soooo. if i'm just plain wrong about anything, please let me know. we can hash it out right here and clear up some of our collective confusion. i've done my best to stay relevant and factual as possible.

1ST STORY (origins_tk)

"Triangle Kush and OG Kush , both seeds made in south Florida in 1991 in the same garage of Marty. The mother was called Emerald Triangle (in our circle from around ‘87) and that garage was stuffed wall to wall with it , A pack of Hindu Kush seeds that I bought from Neville , Amsterdam in 1989 was being tested after a pre sex test . One of those pre sexed Hindu Kush seeds created a bit of unseen pollen near the AC intake , that managed to make seeds thru out that entire 12 light garage . Those lbs where then sold by myself to a close buddy near Orlando , where he would then piece them out to his circle of friends . One of his buddies would find the Triangle Kush seed and another guy found the Kush seed that would later get named OG Kush once it made its way west to California . I’ve seen countless people claiming or insisting Chemdog is the parent to OG kush but with out a shadow of a doubt it’s not unless they share dna from years earlier or maybe from the Hindu Kush genetics from Neville in ‘89 . The Emerald Triangle strain was given to my old partner from an older head from the Washington area before I ever even knew he was a grower as I was buying pounds of it already to sell in 87-88 . OG is not Chemdog simple facts . Added fact , The Emerald Triangle leaned more towards a earthy spicy , flower smelling , sweet candy like terps and not chemi or fuel like at all . fuel or gassy terps must have came from the Hindu ."

copy and pasted from seedfinder, but thats the story from origins_tk. personally not believing this outright. mainly just see holes... and opportunities to capitalize on the confusion. late. it makes... too much sense for being clear as mud. but moving along.

2ND STORY (?)

on the adam dunn show this dave mann/dave richards character shared his... info. in a series of og origins podcasts where the hosts called and discussed OG with some of the growers involved. josh D and bubba berger, orgnkid, and several others were called in (their story is farther down the line, but was verified on-air).

S1E43 The TRUE History of OG Kush - The Adam Dunn Show

3 acres of underground bunkers and a hashplant backcross breeding program for the modern day 20% thc indica... maybe it's just me being an east coaster, but i've watched meth-amped SWAT teams raid houses over 1 gram of cannabis. 3 acres of underground stank in arizona... would expect everyone involved to either flip or stay in prison.

he (since this guy has two names... "he") claims OGK to be of hashplant thai afghan origin, more specifically a bx3 of hashplant thai afghan that rodelized (selfed). to me i agree with that lineage more, at least in theory. some of his other claims... are harder to believe.

MEH?

i've always known OG to be golf ball nug producing, moderate yielding, long internode spacing, and semi stretchy to very stretchy depending. swollen calyxs, pungent smell, and high calyx to leaf ratio.

the fire cut i had would outgrow everything untrained, and turn into spaghetti madness. in contrast, the hells and the ghost both grow sturdier, and shorter. sfv much like the fire, but i've yet to finish an sfv run. lost the cut before i had it rooted:snoop:

tahoe and hells both always seemed very closely related, at least in end result (flower), but not in growth patterns or structure. can smell taste and feel the similarity very obviously, despite the claims of hells being crossed to blackberry.

thats about all i can say definitively on OGK traits without just guessing. haven't ran them all and never had the opportunity to sit down and sample them all.

as far as the origin stories, like most of our lore, a lot of it doesn't add up. i've just collected the data and posted it here. if i was to side with any part of this, i believe orgnkid josh d and bubba berger 100%. at least that part of the background is verifiable, and i was on that forum at that time where these cuts were sent out by orgnkid. was a lot like the gsc feeding frenzy, except it wasn't bottlenecked trash. oops.:slapping:

personally would love to see what info the pheno community has to share. i know at least one of our more prolific members here has "the" potential cut... and no i'm not telling.

peas
So many out there . Had Tahoe , the smoke is hard to find now but fun to fire up
 

RookieBuds

In Bloom
My understanding of OG Kush is that it has roots in Florida and was referred to as "OGers" and the "Kush" part is merely nickname-derived because the resulted flower "looked like little kush berries" said a friend of the breeder, as the saying goes. I forgot Josh D's connection if he grew it in FL or was the guy who brought it to Cali and grew it there as "OG Kush".

I think the confusion with Chemdog is in the flavor; my opinion is they're very similar especially on the exhale of a rip.
 

Psychobilly

🧀Muenster
OG Kush is one of my all time favorite strains. I'm still kicking myself for something I did like 10 years ago... I got some of this lovely bud one day, and even though I didn't smoke much at the time (I was still chest deep in painkiller land and searching fur a different path to living) and after finding a single seed in a bud, I put it aside thinking it would be awesome to grow it, even though I had not ever grown weed before.

I basically ruined my chance, not ever realizing that some strains dissappear and become hard to find :( my dumb ass used an index card holder with a wet paper towel, sprouted it, and then it died. *sigh*

I don't know what I was thinking... no grow lights, no tent... I grew Poppy plants outside no problem, but that was the extent of my know how.

I've personally not had "Chemdog", only Chem D, and Chemdog '91, and soon Chemdog 4, and the last time I saw OG Kush was years ago so I can't compare them properly.
 

RookieBuds

In Bloom
OG Kush is one of my all time favorite strains. I'm still kicking myself for something I did like 10 years ago... I got some of this lovely bud one day, and even though I didn't smoke much at the time (I was still chest deep in painkiller land and searching fur a different path to living) and after finding a single seed in a bud, I put it aside thinking it would be awesome to grow it, even though I had not ever grown weed before.

I basically ruined my chance, not ever realizing that some strains dissappear and become hard to find :( my dumb ass used an index card holder with a wet paper towel, sprouted it, and then it died. *sigh*

I don't know what I was thinking... no grow lights, no tent... I grew Poppy plants outside no problem, but that was the extent of my know how.

I've personally not had "Chemdog", only Chem D, and Chemdog '91, and soon Chemdog 4, and the last time I saw OG Kush was years ago so I can't compare them properly.

Same here, any of my Chem opinions are based on commercially available versions of it, probably same as you. My general opinion though, they all still have a similarity to them in that "chemmy" exhale, some are just sweeter or funkier or whatever.

You live, you learn bro. Had you never even popped that one seed, you might not have made your way to this current journey you're on, so everything happens for a reason. How would we ever know the market's strains would shift into fast fwd in the early 2000s?? Think about it, the weed our grandpappy's smoked was basically the same weed our daddy's smoked, nowadays you and your 3yr-older sibling can have TOTALLY DIFFERENT cannabis experiences entirely.
 

Psychobilly

🧀Muenster
Same here, any of my Chem opinions are based on commercially available versions of it, probably same as you. My general opinion though, they all still have a similarity to them in that "chemmy" exhale, some are just sweeter or funkier or whatever.

You live, you learn bro. Had you never even popped that one seed, you might not have made your way to this current journey you're on, so everything happens for a reason. How would we ever know the market's strains would shift into fast fwd in the early 2000s?? Think about it, the weed our grandpappy's smoked was basically the same weed our daddy's smoked, nowadays you and your 3yr-older sibling can have TOTALLY DIFFERENT cannabis experiences entirely.

Yeah you have a point there. I'll still kick myself, just not as hard lol. I did the exact same thing with the only Purple Chemdog seed I've ever found lol. I'd love to sit down with some OG Kush, and each Chemdog, and do a proper smell and tasting. It's been so long since I've even seen the OG though. Which is sad really, because it was great weed :)
 
My understanding of OG Kush is that it has roots in Florida and was referred to as "OGers" and the "Kush" part is merely nickname-derived because the resulted flower "looked like little kush berries" said a friend of the breeder, as the saying goes. I forgot Josh D's connection if he grew it in FL or was the guy who brought it to Cali and grew it there as "OG Kush".

I think the confusion with Chemdog is in the flavor; my opinion is they're very similar especially on the exhale of a rip.

thats what josh and matt both confirmed on the podcast, and after orgnkid called into the podcast with them. about the only part of this that actually can be vetted. chem 91 definitely has the swollen calyx look like og, and they both are bagseed derived. but most everything was back then lol. pretty sure both josh and matt were florida only, and orgnkid was the first? to be sold the genetic. but i could be wrong, lots of info there. i know it cost him a shit ton to get the clones. 5 pounds and many stacks for 1 tray type deal. og flower used to pull obscene prices, per pound i've heard insane numbers.

OG Kush is one of my all time favorite strains. I'm still kicking myself for something I did like 10 years ago... I got some of this lovely bud one day, and even though I didn't smoke much at the time (I was still chest deep in painkiller land and searching fur a different path to living) and after finding a single seed in a bud, I put it aside thinking it would be awesome to grow it, even though I had not ever grown weed before.

I basically ruined my chance, not ever realizing that some strains dissappear and become hard to find :( my dumb ass used an index card holder with a wet paper towel, sprouted it, and then it died. *sigh*

I don't know what I was thinking... no grow lights, no tent... I grew Poppy plants outside no problem, but that was the extent of my know how.

I've personally not had "Chemdog", only Chem D, and Chemdog '91, and soon Chemdog 4, and the last time I saw OG Kush was years ago so I can't compare them properly.

lost so many potential magic bagseed... my hells got hit with a touch of d's cherry pie a while ago, lost the one beautiful baby that created. sour d bagseed from rez stock, peyote purple, peyote purple x gg4 accidentals, so many lost permanently.

live and learn. but youve had "chem" if youve had D and 91. unless you mean dogbud? and those DMTs are some actual magic id say. mass found the seed smoking with g... its apparently non-herm D in the flesh, femmed.

Same here, any of my Chem opinions are based on commercially available versions of it, probably same as you. My general opinion though, they all still have a similarity to them in that "chemmy" exhale, some are just sweeter or funkier or whatever.

You live, you learn bro. Had you never even popped that one seed, you might not have made your way to this current journey you're on, so everything happens for a reason. How would we ever know the market's strains would shift into fast fwd in the early 2000s?? Think about it, the weed our grandpappy's smoked was basically the same weed our daddy's smoked, nowadays you and your 3yr-older sibling can have TOTALLY DIFFERENT cannabis experiences entirely.

we've always called it a "pungency" here, that both OG and chem seem to carry on varied levels. when i moved to a different area, those locals lost their shit over the hells and wifi43 i had at the time. the nose would just sell it instantly... i still remember the hydro owner shutting down early to go home and smoke it lol.
 
if you guys and gals are game, there are still cuts of ghost floating around... i know i've seen triangle clones here on ph... i can find hells clones and i have schwaggy's bx3 hells... and sfv is definitely around last i checked. preservation time?

i'm doing it anyway... before more genetic disasters spoil what's left.
 

Phylex

GK Genetics
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Just before I shut down and I stopped growing (I believe sometime in 2021), I was working with specific cuts gifted to me from a very reputable and trustworthy friend. He was assisting me with trying to accomplish my main goal of recreating a psychedelic high I remembered experiencing in the mid 90's. One of the said verified cuts was Josh D. If there's anyone's knowledge or words spoken I can wholeheartedly trust, it's his. This is what was shared about the Josh D cut during one of many private discussions around my project. I'm only sharing this for educational purposes for those interested in learning more about the history. Keep in mind some of the context below isn't in relation to the Josh D cut itself or the origins of it, but was rather part of a conversation we were having about my project that has no relation to this specific topic. However there are some nuggets in there about the Josh D cut for those curious and wanting to learn more.

"Ghost OG in GTH is the same OG used in the MK Ultra you were looking at before. The OG used in the MK Ultra is listed as Josh D OG x Mazar-i-Sharif. The Josh D OG (original ’92 OG Kush) and the Ghost OG are the same cut. The guy “Ghost” got a cut of the Josh D and started claiming it was this new very rare cut of OG and called it “Ghost OG”. It was later disclosed to just be the exact same cut. They still try to claim that it is in fact different because even though it was the same cut, it morphed from being in a different environment. I personally don’t buy the idea that DNA transforms in the span of a few years because you are on a different coast (can you think of another living organism with genetics of this fragility and permanent DNA shifts because of slight environmental differences? MAYBE through successive generations but for the individual to just transmogrify seems a bit much). I have this cut and find it to be the frostier of the pure OGs, but more of the sweet pine-sol and not as fuely as the HAOG. They all mash you with a heavy body stone. It doesn’t have any psychedelic effect and as far as I’ve tried, never had an Afghani plant with that either so not quite sure where that purported effect would be coming from."

I'm currently in the process of trying to procure the seeds I made from these cuts so I can try to pick up where I left off and attempt to see my main project back to fruition. Along with the Josh D cut, the other cuts I was working with during this recreation project were '97 Super Silver Haze Shantibaba Cut, Chem '91 (SKVA), Strawberry Cough Kyle Kushman Cut, and BlueDream Santa Cruz Cut. Once these seeds are finally procured and I can work the lines to my intended goals, the plan is to have these seeds readily available for pH members interested in growing them out.
 
"Ghost OG in GTH is the same OG used in the MK Ultra you were looking at before. The OG used in the MK Ultra is listed as Josh D OG x Mazar-i-Sharif. The Josh D OG (original ’92 OG Kush) and the Ghost OG are the same cut. The guy “Ghost” got a cut of the Josh D and started claiming it was this new very rare cut of OG and called it “Ghost OG”. It was later disclosed to just be the exact same cut. They still try to claim that it is in fact different because even though it was the same cut, it morphed from being in a different environment. I personally don’t buy the idea that DNA transforms in the span of a few years because you are on a different coast (can you think of another living organism with genetics of this fragility and permanent DNA shifts because of slight environmental differences? MAYBE through successive generations but for the individual to just transmogrify seems a bit much). I have this cut and find it to be the frostier of the pure OGs, but more of the sweet pine-sol and not as fuely as the HAOG. They all mash you with a heavy body stone. It doesn’t have any psychedelic effect and as far as I’ve tried, never had an Afghani plant with that either so not quite sure where that purported effect would be coming from."

thanks for the info! i have to admit it has added more layers of confusion. josh d og was (also?) a joint seed release from karma and josh, although i've seen ASC list ghost clones as josh d og.

also confused as to the ghost story. orgnkid has, from what i remember, vetted the share with ghost, and then selfed the cut correctly before selling selfed seeds of it. always thought the order was josh and bubba to kid to ghost. never known ghost to have any connection to the florida guys, but again its all breadcrumbs for east coasters.

ghost... is an interesting character. on IG he must've lost thousands of followers after this strange fake-out post... flaunting seed packs he was never going to sell. and then there's the clip of him sharing his toilet paper hack... nuff said lol.

the HA i had was also not as fuely as the description above, and much frostier than any other og i've ever seen or run. my original cut was lost, but it was sourced from canada, and technically was called "maple ridge og" as well as hells angel og, or HA OG. there isn't much pinene to it compared to the other og's for sure, but there is some pine nose to it.

now i'm curious as to what cut i really had lol. but as far as the head high, certain runs of HA would send me into outer space where others would just slam me to the couch. very environmentally sensitive OG is for sure
 
the above post just got me thinking. very hazy on this... but entourage effect wasn't always considered to be equal pct's of cannabinoids. i remember someone making statements that the OG "entourage" effect is distinctively not that. 28% THC 0.4% CBD?

the average joe typically won't hit those numbers, unless working with a genetic that throttles higher. but if the genetic peaks at higher pct's...

phew. all this heavy lifting is hurting my head:brainfart:
 

Psychobilly

🧀Muenster
Being how interested I am in how some of these legendary strains came about, I totally understand the trying to piece together wtf happened during these times LOL.

That's why I have a Cheese thread, and a Chemdog thread, because finding good info about either of those, outside of Cheese being a Skunk phenotype, is pretty difficult to say the least.

You know there are sites out there that say Chem D is a Sativa? Like.... I know I haven't been at this as long as some of the other members, but anyone who's grown even bag seed of Chem D would know there's no way it's a Sativa leaner... It's done right after Blue Cheese is outside, and that's REALLY early in the season.

For OG Kush, and the multitude of cuts.... Man that's so convoluted LOL. I'm glad someone has put some effort into trying to piece it together. Like ordering a history book from Ikea huh?
 

RookieBuds

In Bloom
What about OG Kush Breath??? Does anyone consider this a form of OG or nah? My understanding is it's a Cookies phenotype named after the guy who, as the story goes, swiped it from a Cookies facility that he worked at or with?

So really, OGKB is neither OG, nor Kush, nor a Breath strain. But, some idiot renamed it cuz it looked cool 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

Psychobilly

🧀Muenster
What about OG Kush Breath??? Does anyone consider this a form of OG or nah? My understanding is it's a Cookies phenotype named after the guy who, as the story goes, swiped it from a Cookies facility that he worked at or with?

So really, OGKB is neither OG, nor Kush, nor a Breath strain. But, some idiot renamed it cuz it looked cool 🤷🏻‍♂️

That's not the worst idea though; I figure if I ever need a few grand for bag seed I could just say "Oh this ? That's OG Runtz Pink Cookies Kush" and watch the money pile up LOL. Not really but it's still a funny thought :)
 
What about OG Kush Breath??? Does anyone consider this a form of OG or nah? My understanding is it's a Cookies phenotype named after the guy who, as the story goes, swiped it from a Cookies facility that he worked at or with?

So really, OGKB is neither OG, nor Kush, nor a Breath strain. But, some idiot renamed it cuz it looked cool 🤷🏻‍♂️

correct to my knowledge. OGKB is the only cut of gsc i've ever enjoyed. very OG dom, used to get bulk flower of it. and its technically cherry pie kush. which is technically cherry pie x chem, at least the most believeable story goes. all gsc appears to be is bagseed from that cross, which might have been female x female in first place.

i think kush breath was, at minimum, a very good cloner, like swerve or ghostgrows. in positions like that, its probly more common practice than on most budget levels, to rename or change details. can't argue, he's on a yacht somewhere drinking mai tais while i'm hobblin around my teeny grow rooms.
 
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