Out in the Shed - Spring 2023

[Psychobilly]

It's just a sativa Dom variant of Chemdawg.
Sharp lemon smells, with some fuel behind it, a little bit of earthy backend after a good cure. She has an unmistakeable smell for me when i crack a jar. @spyralout calls it like "dirty sprite."

Ohhhhhh nice!! I had a Motor Breath so that once where it was gas and citrus. I described it as a Sprite Molotov Cocktail

earthy pepper lemon to me, I like dirty sprite, wondering what I have to add to it to make it dirty, give it that fuel, cause I agree lemon lime but I also have a hard time with distinguishing and describing most everything.

Man that's nice

All of those crosses I sent have Jenny Chem as the momma btw.

I haven't said these words since high school but I think I love your mom lol

 

[DopeDaniel]

Holy FACK where do I go w all this goodness?? Do I need to take a month off to catch up? Gah it’s been so tough especially recently. Badass discussions and advice hell ya ?

pHenohunter.org made me do it.

Truly tho, thanks.

 

[DopeDaniel]

Doing a sulfur burn tonight, 1.5 hrs a half hour after lights out, ceiling and clip fans set to low, circulator on normal. Set room to 62 for the half hour after lights out, then back to normal for this round (72F). You may recall this is higher than last run, we'll see if that affects the purpling of PC x HS.

Also, sprinkled some 50:50 DE:cinnamon + mustard seed meal in the shed as well. Surprisingly (or not), it seems this outbreak (FG) coincides with the application of Bti several days ago. The beds have been wet because of it, probably should note to shut down the blusoak a day or two in advance or skip it and switch to the de:cinnamon + mustard 100%.

Several trifoliates in the 2x4 across multiple genetics, I seem to notice I have been getting a lot of this lately? I think I'm up to 4 females 2x gw x cnc, 1 BRT (trifoliate), 1 ecsd x sb (one branch trifoliate).

Got a dehumidifier set up in the 2x4 too, probably gonna need a 2nd for the shed soon.

 

[JL2G]

So if my vpd is like a 1.8 to a 2.6 swing with lights on n off how bad is that mang? Lol

 

[BH]

Doing a sulfur burn tonight, 1.5 hrs a half hour after lights out, ceiling and clip fans set to low, circulator on normal. Set room to 62 for the half hour after lights out, then back to normal for this round (72F). You may recall this is higher than last run, we'll see if that affects the purpling of PC x HS.

Also, sprinkled some 50:50 DE:cinnamon + mustard seed meal in the shed as well. Surprisingly (or not), it seems this outbreak (FG) coincides with the application of Bti several days ago. The beds have been wet because of it, probably should note to shut down the blusoak a day or two in advance or skip it and switch to the de:cinnamon + mustard 100%.

Several trifoliates in the 2x4 across multiple genetics, I seem to notice I have been getting a lot of this lately? I think I'm up to 4 females 2x gw x cnc, 1 BRT (trifoliate), 1 ecsd x sb (one branch trifoliate).

Got a dehumidifier set up in the 2x4 too, probably gonna need a 2nd for the shed soon.

once I hit mid flower and night cycle. Man my rooms need the deh power. i def was underestimating my rh before I had my wireless environment monitors that lights on I was having no staying in vpd/rh zone cause of hvac and lights itself removing it. But the nights it wasn’t able to do it cause hvac wasn’t on and my only 1 quest 155 couldn’t keep up. soo thankful I figured that out and got another quest 105 in there. Now in night cycles it can keep up. totally didn’t know till I could watch those swings when I wasn’t in room 24/7. just like anything on Environment, its those swings or unstability that always got me and still do if i dont be ocd lol

So if my vpd is like a 1.8 to a 2.6 swing with lights on n off how bad is that mang? Lol

The Ultimate Vapor Pressure Deficit (VPD) Guide

"Why devote an entire guide to VPD?" you might ask. The answer is that the vapor pressure deficit (VPD) is extremely important for growing plants. VPD helps you identify the correct range of temperature and humidity to aim for in your grow space. With VPD you can achieve the best results while...

pulsegrow.com

 

[DopeDaniel]

So if my vpd is like a 1.8 to a 2.6 swing with lights on n off how bad is that mang? Lol

I'd say that's CO so it can't be "bad" lol.

watch those swings when I wasn’t in room 24/7.

This is why I'm majorly disappointed pulse didn't release their hub with available 115V outlet controllers (expected Q4 this year). Granted I don't have CO2 with the acinfinty, but I can see when the humidifier and dehumidifier are turning on and off, how frequently and how long.


As you can see at night the dehumidifier (outlet #2) is just about to hit the point where it needs to be on all night. Can't run a bigger one during the day because I don't have the amps, so an auxiliary one is needed at night - it got put in the 2x4.

So if my vpd is like a 1.8 to a 2.6 swing with lights on n off how bad is that mang? Lol

Honestly think you're underestimating this too. Without controls above 3 isn't out of the question ime.

 

[Jewels]

Took me a minute.




The Green Arrow is showing the dehumidifier. It is drawing 100% of available power, almost all the time. And this is at night.

The yellow arrow is showing the fan cycling between 30 and 40%
And that is an exhaust fan, removing air from The Grow area and exhausting it outside.

It would appear the lights come on at 8:00 a.m., and this is the temperature rise .
The blue arrow shows the effect of the dehumidifier ,, and the humidity begins to rise immediately after it shuts off.

* I just went back and deleted 8 or 9 question marks of those last paragraphs. Realistically they are all questions, posing as statements.
Just correct me where I go astray.

Here is the part about the real question,,,
I see the temperature bumping up after the dehumidification cycle.
I am curious - the only rise in heat (during the dark hours) is directly related to the dehumidifier.

Can I assume there is no heater in this room ?

I am not familiar with the tech, and I find it very interesting.
Fascinating actually, I enjoy seeing how the different factors have an effect on the others.
Just curious if I am reading it correctly.

 

[DopeDaniel]

Just correct me where I go astray.

This is it.

Can I assume there is no heater in this room ?

The lower graph is a visual representation of an approximation. To get the full picture one needs to zoom in.
Day

Hour

This is where you can see the 30-45 min period the heater is on.

The 115V outlets (dehumidifier and humidifier/ swamp cooler, for me) are binary, their fans, humidifiers, seedling mats, etc. are pwm controlled. The factory default sets the outlets at level 6, when the measured parameter passes a threshold value the unit will "count down" to 0 (off). Even though the 69pro has adjustable buffers for the set point (a deadband), I set the level to 10 so I get a little better average as the countdown takes longer. I could bump the buffer setting up but it's a global parameter for the port and I didn't want to have that much fudge factor on humidity at night. Their "a" model nonPro controllers don't have a buffer setting a major flaw imo.

For each port there are up to 10 different custom programs it can run.


The file is a dense read, care to take a "minute"?

 

[JL2G]

once I hit mid flower and night cycle. Man my rooms need the deh power. i def was underestimating my rh before I had my wireless environment monitors that lights on I was having no staying in vpd/rh zone cause of hvac and lights itself removing it. But the nights it wasn’t able to do it cause hvac wasn’t on and my only 1 quest 155 couldn’t keep up. soo thankful I figured that out and got another quest 105 in there. Now in night cycles it can keep up. totally didn’t know till I could watch those swings when I wasn’t in room 24/7. just like anything on Environment, its those swings or unstability that always got me and still do if i dont be ocd lol

The Ultimate Vapor Pressure Deficit (VPD) Guide

"Why devote an entire guide to VPD?" you might ask. The answer is that the vapor pressure deficit (VPD) is extremely important for growing plants. VPD helps you identify the correct range of temperature and humidity to aim for in your grow space. With VPD you can achieve the best results while...

pulsegrow.com

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So after reading that I see how off I am from where things should be in an optimum environment. Lol.
Good read mang, thanks for that. ???
They emphasize yield being one of the biggest factors it affects, 20% losses, but curious as to what effect it has on potency, and or flavors? Do you have any experience with that aspect?

I'd say that's CO so it can't be "bad" lol.


This is why I'm majorly disappointed pulse didn't release their hub with available 115V outlet controllers (expected Q4 this year). Granted I don't have CO2 with the acinfinty, but I can see when the humidifier and dehumidifier are turning on and off, how frequently and how long.

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As you can see at night the dehumidifier (outlet #2) is just about to hit the point where it needs to be on all night. Can't run a bigger one during the day because I don't have the amps, so an auxiliary one is needed at night - it got put in the 2x4.


Honestly think you're underestimating this too. Without controls above 3 isn't out of the question ime.

It is CO for sure, lol.
Maybe I'll try adding a humidifier and see how that affects things. Lol
Really though if it's only yield affected, imho that's not a big deal to me. Already grow way more than I can use up between harvests. Taste and potency/effects are my main focus. Yield and bag appeal much lower on the goal list.
That does explain alot after reading that article. Very much describes what I've been seeing from the plants.

 

[DopeDaniel]

So after reading that I see how off I am from where things should be in an optimum environment. Lol.
Good read mang, thanks for that. ???
They emphasize yield being one of the biggest factors it affects, 20% losses, but curious as to what effect it has on potency, and or flavors? Do you have any experience with that aspect?

It is CO for sure, lol.
Maybe I'll try adding a humidifier and see how that affects things. Lol
Really though if it's only yield affected, imho that's not a big deal to me. Already grow way more than I can use up between harvests. Taste and potency/effects are my main focus. Yield and bag appeal much lower on the goal list.
That does explain alot after reading that article. Very much describes what I've been seeing from the plants.

Maybe first just try dialing the lights down a touch before buying a piece of equipment?
That pruning method? They don't call them water leaves for nuthin.
That paper is the main reason I don't feel a huge need to supplement CO2.

but curious as to what effect it has on potency, and or flavors?

IME there's differences. I hate using definites but the better controlled vpd is always better. This doesn't mean you can't have excursions, but maybe try to keep them +- 0.5 kpa? Then if you want to focus on yield start honing in on that "green" band.

I see an excursion of vpd similar to uv, it's a stressor but can result in a positive, it's not yield/frost tho. Mostly it makes a tougher more resistant and resilient plant.

 

[JL2G]

Maybe first just try dialing the lights down a touch before buying a piece of equipment?
That pruning method? They don't call them water leaves for nuthin.
That paper is the main reason I don't feel a huge need to supplement CO2.


IME there's differences. I hate using definites but the better controlled vpd is always better. This doesn't mean you can't have excursions, but maybe try to keep them +- 0.5 kpa? Then if you want to focus on yield start honing in on that "green" band.

I see an excursion of vpd similar to uv, it's a stressor but can result in a positive, it's not yield/frost tho. Mostly it makes a tougher more resistant and resilient plant.

I was even kinda thinking that could be the difference you see in Jenny vs what i have from her. Your environment is nicer to her than mine,so much less stress to the plants.

 

[JL2G]

Maybe first just try dialing the lights down a touch before buying a piece of equipment?
That pruning method? They don't call them water leaves for nuthin.
That paper is the main reason I don't feel a huge need to supplement CO2.


IME there's differences. I hate using definites but the better controlled vpd is always better. This doesn't mean you can't have excursions, but maybe try to keep them +- 0.5 kpa? Then if you want to focus on yield start honing in on that "green" band.

I see an excursion of vpd similar to uv, it's a stressor but can result in a positive, it's not yield/frost tho. Mostly it makes a tougher more resistant and resilient plant.

I could try that too, I'd have to move them up though, cmh has no dimmer, forget if the smaller led has one or not.
I really just run em full blast. Lol
I asked the gf to bring her humidifier home from work to see about a trial period.

 

[DopeDaniel]

I could try that too, I'd have to move them up though, cmh has no dimmer, forget if the smaller led has one or not.
I really just run em full blast. Lol
I asked the gf to bring her humidifier home from work to see about a trial period.

It might be best to put it in the lung room, I forget though, what's the air exchange like, can you actively vent the grow area?

 

[JL2G]

Lung room is on a constant draw from the garage, and venting to the outside using a 6" fan at about half speed. 200 ish cfm

Grow room fan is an 8" on speed 2, 5 to 600 cfm, and pulls filtered air into flower from the lung, then through a light blocking wall cavity into the Veg room, then through a large carbon filter, and back into the lung room.

Lung room near the intake was my thoughts for huey location. Easier to check and refill as needed, and no power light to deal with.
If it's to become a permanent addition I'd do a water supply line to the huey. Similar to what a swamp cooler would have, and a controller of some sort.

 

[JL2G]

It might be best to put it in the lung room, I forget though, what's the air exchange like, can you actively vent the grow area?

Here's the current conditions. And the high lows.
Lung room
Flower room

And Veg room min maxes. 78.9 in there ATM.

I can get leaf Temps if you want those too.

 

[DopeDaniel]

I can get leaf Temps if you want those too

I have mixed feelings about this approach. There is variation throughout the canopy, maybe the lights just came on and transpiration hasn't started or isn't in full swing. What were looking at with uncorrected vpd is essentially dew point. I think this gives us the best picture of the environment. I do however like to take the temp and rh measurements from within the canopy.

 

[JL2G]

I was wondering why that post wasn't in my thread. Dang, was too high I guess and thought I was at home. My bad @SSGrower
???
I don't seem to be able to moderate my own posts. Lmfao, otherwise I'd move it to my spot mang, my bad. Lmfao

edit, Ok, Got my mess cleaned up and post moved. Just took me a minute to figure out how. Lol

 

[DopeDaniel]

Gonna flip the (2x4)² in the next few days, there is still one plant lookin a little funny, two actually but I think one is just verigation. I need to start getting the others in veg into larger pots but I have some other stuff that needs tending to, nothing bad, just getting closer and closer to full on retirement.

I had a couple careers, never found that one I could live with but in the course I did find the one I married and she eventually found one she loved. She's gonna stick with it a few more years yet the shit she's doin has real consequences, so proud of her.

We're gonna celebrate my "retirement" this fall but in the meantime I thought I would get a little pre-party going and do a road trip. Looking to do about a 5k mile loop from Denver but I need some help deciding which area of the country to visit. Time frame is between end of May middle of June. If you wanna grab breakfast, lunch or dinner or have a happy hour or coffee somewhere let me know. If you have a favorite museum, attraction, hike or bike, 4-wheelin' or camping spot (that you're willing to share), let me know. I'm always down for a garden tour (even non-canna). There's a number of you I wanna just sit and shoot the shit with but if we can't meet in person if you share with me something that gave/gives you awe, find interst or relevance in, I have a chance of getting to know you better. DM or just post up here.

 

[JL2G]

Gonna flip the (2x4)² in the next few days, there is still one plant lookin a little funny, two actually but I think one is just verigation. I need to start getting the others in veg into larger pots but I have some other stuff that needs tending to, nothing bad, just getting closer and closer to full on retirement.

I had a couple careers, never found that one I could live with but in the course I did find the one I married and she eventually found one she loved. She's gonna stick with it a few more years yet the shit she's doin has real consequences, so proud of her.

We're gonna celebrate my "retirement" this fall but in the meantime I thought I would get a little pre-party going and do a road trip. Looking to do about a 5k mile loop from Denver but I need some help deciding which area of the country to visit. Time frame is between end of May middle of June. If you wanna grab breakfast, lunch or dinner or have a happy hour or coffee somewhere let me know. If you have a favorite museum, attraction, hike or bike, 4-wheelin' or camping spot (that you're willing to share), let me know. I'm always down for a garden tour (even non-canna). There's a number of you I wanna just sit and shoot the shit with but if we can't meet in person if you share with me something that gave/gives you awe, find interst or relevance in, I have a chance of getting to know you better. DM or just post up here.

If I had the ability to take off more than a week or so I'd join ya on that trip.
I'd be happy to send some treats along for the ride though for gifting.

 

[DopeDaniel]

If I had the ability to take off more than a week or so I'd join ya on that trip.
I'd be happy to send some treats along for the ride though for gifting.

Could send ya home via Southwest?