Out in the Shed - Spring 2023

DopeDaniel

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4 males pulled from the (2×4)² two of the trifoliates and some verigation on a ogcpsb @Frosty78
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3 or 4 more yet to show and if the Trifoliates look like they are gonna me leafy they'll get the axe too. I left one of the plants from the green mulch cause I like the shape of its leaves, I'll try to remember and grab a pic, the blades are just round/stubby but don't overlap a whole lot.
 

DopeDaniel

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Variegation. Wow I haven't seen that. That's pretty cool mate. Everything is looking good over there. Nights are getting cool over here.
Its on this Afgan x Appalachia too, also a male.
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Got one at least one each JoA and ogcpsb female in the (2×4)² tho.

As I was bringing the lights back up today after IPM, all the cobs on my old rig went out. Backed the pot (I0) down, lights came back, turned the pot up, lights brightened but as I continued went out again? Dimmed back, lights came back. WTH? started bringing the lights back, slowly this time (like 15 sec instead of 2), and got the light to full power. ?‍♂️

The driver's been making more and more noise lately so I ordered up a hlg-600 (~250 more watts). While I was at it I wanted to upgrade the new light with more 2700K cobs and a 480 to replace the 240 "center" channel. Well, the 480 wasn't gonna be in sock for a few months so I decided to get a 2nd 600 and 7 more cobs instead of 5.

The boards will move to the garage but this is gonna be where I won't be able to run everything at 100%, which is good, just gonna have to be careful.
 

JL2G

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Its on this Afgan x Appalachia too, also a male.
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Got one at least one each JoA and ogcpsb female in the (2×4)² tho.

As I was bringing the lights back up today after IPM, all the cobs on my old rig went out. Backed the pot (I0) down, lights came back, turned the pot up, lights brightened but as I continued went out again? Dimmed back, lights came back. WTH? started bringing the lights back, slowly this time (like 15 sec instead of 2), and got the light to full power. ?‍♂️

The driver's been making more and more noise lately so I ordered up a hlg-600 (~250 more watts). While I was at it I wanted to upgrade the new light with more 2700K cobs and a 480 to replace the 240 "center" channel. Well, the 480 wasn't gonna be in sock for a few months so I decided to get a 2nd 600 and 7 more cobs instead of 5.

The boards will move to the garage but this is gonna be where I won't be able to run everything at 100%, which is good, just gonna have to be careful.
Does yer panel have the room to add another circuit? I'd give ya a hand running one if you want/need to get it done.
 

JL2G

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Wild random question @JL2G ,,

220 V

Could one not run more fixtures on less amperage ?

I have often wondered this, but I don't see much of it.
There must be something I am not seeing?
Yes. higher voltage means less amperage, though it also means higher potential danger to end user. Thats why they step it down to 110 here for reg household use. Personally i think 220 is the way to go if given the choice, more efficient.
Imho higher potential danger just keeps the gene pool stronger overall for society, lets stupidity resolve itself out of the equation.
 

JL2G

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Wild random question @JL2G ,,

220 V

Could one not run more fixtures on less amperage ?

I have often wondered this, but I don't see much of it.
There must be something I am not seeing?
Heres a good write up on it, with the history of the why.

Benefits of 110v: 110v vs. 220v​

The benefit of 110v power is that it is considered safer. While the voltage and amperage can pose a considerable risk, they are directly proportional. This means that 100v wiring, although it can electrocute, the odds to die from it are lesser because it employs lower voltage. Lower voltage means a lower risk of arcing as well. Most appliances in our home are run at 100v or 120v precisely for their safety.

Benefits of 220v: 110v vs. 220v. Power​

220v is less wasteful since it uses less current power. In other words, it utilizes fewer amps to generate power, while 110v needs more amps to produce the same power. However, the high voltage level in 220v entails a greater risk of electrical shock. 110v has a lower voltage, consequently, lower risk of this, but it isn’t efficient as it requires larger gauges to flow the current. Yet when it comes to home appliance manufacturers, efficiency is not as important as safety.

Why 120/240v in the US and 220v in Europe?​

The voltage and the currency change standards vary from country to country. Why is that? We have to go back to history to get some answers.

The mass bulb production with carbonized filament is associated with Thomas Edison, the optimal voltage of which was 110v. And the first power plant of Edison in New York was 100 volt with 10 percent projected for losses in wires.

When the electricity kick-started in Europe and bulbs with metal filament first appeared, it was essential to increase the voltage. As a result, a standard 220v was applied in Germany when the electrification was made to Berlin. The argument for switching to a 220v distribution capacity was that it decreased the conductor loss by four times. Eventually, Europe went with 220v, which is no surprise as the Germans introduced the AC power in Europe. However, the cost was the main reason because higher voltage allows thinner wires, meaning less copper in the early days of power lines. Therefore, power companies could save money on the wire by using 220v rather than 110v. This is how the 220v-system (later 230v) became the European norm. Besides, contrary to 110v, 220v allows heavy-duty appliances requiring more electrical power.

110v220v
Uses more current but lower voltageUses higher voltage but lower current
Runs at 50HzRuns at 60Hz
50Hz power is less effective in generation60Hz is more efficient in generation and transmission
Lower voltage requires a thicker wireHigher voltage requires a thinner wire
115,120 and 125 volts fall under a 110v system230, 240, and 250 volts fall under a 220-volt service
110v outlet has three-pronged plugs220v outlet has three or four plugs
An outlet is visually smallerVisually bigger and typically round
Only whiteDark brown or black
Has the lower risk of electrocutionPoses a higher risk of electrocution
 

Frosty78

Habitabat autem somnium
My tech savvy electrical friends, have you seen the gearbox or thingamajig that talks to the power lines and runs your equipment more economical? I saw a video while smashed by an north American from some university up there that created it. Runs everything efficiently so less wasted ectricity.
I through a coue of agcpsb in ground here late ss. No variegation here but I want some now you've got it
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DopeDaniel

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gearbox or thingamajig that talks to the power lines and runs your equipment more economical?
Power company pays you to put them on yer ac. During peak hours it won't let the compressor kick on, they aren't supposed to charge you for the electricity if you don't use it. They also had a deal with smart thermostats, people lost their shit this summer in Colorado Springs I think it was. Power company adjusted/locked the temp setting in a heat wave or something.
 

DopeDaniel

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In the (2×4)²
1x OGCPSB
1x JoA
2x GW x CnC
1x BRT
1x ECSD x SB for now one branch is trifol
2x GB
1x unknown (only one not sexed yet, rest are female)
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This might get a little touchy for IPM with spring coming in full force as flower gets rolling (>wk. 5)

I want some
It's on the list for chucking with, so is a GB (not verrigted) from @Buck5050

Culled an ecsd x sb that was full on trifol, leaving Khem Kardshian as the only female non bansai mom in veg.

Will be a miracle if gctc makes it.

Next seed pop (DJ Short mix 4 and sour bubble) will be first week of June for outdoor and fall shed. The shed will get shut down in May until late July or early August.
 

JL2G

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In the (2×4)²
1x OGCPSB
1x JoA
2x GW x CnC
1x BRT
1x ECSD x SB for now one branch is trifol
2x GB
1x unknown (only one not sexed yet, rest are female)
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This might get a little touchy for IPM with spring coming in full force as flower gets rolling (>wk. 5)


It's on the list for chucking with, so is a GB (not verrigted) from @Buck5050

Culled an ecsd x sb that was full on trifol, leaving Khem Kardshian as the only female non bansai mom in veg.

Will be a miracle if gctc makes it.

Next seed pop (DJ Short mix 4 and sour bubble) will be first week of June for outdoor and fall shed. The shed will get shut down in May until late July or early August.
I think I'll be joining you in the shutdown for part of the summer. Lol. Just keeping the library tent running is kinda the plan ATM.
Gets too hot, ac for the shop is expensive, and that's prime time to be up in the hills having fun outdoors.
May keep one light on in flower, still undecided.
Kinda wanna drop some beans though.
Such tough decisions. Lmfao
 

DopeDaniel

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I think I'll be joining you in the shutdown for part of the summer. Lol. Just keeping the library tent running is kinda the plan ATM.
Gets too hot, ac for the shop is expensive, and that's prime time to be up in the hills having fun outdoors.
May keep one light on in flower, still undecided.
Kinda wanna drop some beans though.
Such tough decisions. Lmfao
Quick question.
If I have 12g wire and circuit is split between lights and outlets, is the only real concern going to 20 amp that those exisiting fixtures are 15 amp?
 

JL2G

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Quick question.
If I have 12g wire and circuit is split between lights and outlets, is the only real concern going to 20 amp that those exisiting fixtures are 15 amp?
Nope. No issue unless your maxing it out on one outlet.
20 Amp breaker, 12g wire, with 15 Amp outlets is ok if there's more than one of them.
If it's a dedicated line then a 20 Amp outlet is code required, otherwise 15's are fine.
Edit, if it's a high draw item maybe put a 20 outlet for it, like 8 amps or more steady pull
 

DopeDaniel

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Nope. No issue unless your maxing it out on one outlet.
20 Amp breaker, 12g wire, with 15 Amp outlets is ok if there's more than one of them.
If it's a dedicated line then a 20 Amp outlet is code required, otherwise 15's are fine.
Edit, if it's a high draw item maybe put a 20 outlet for it, like 8 amps or more steady pull
As I thought it through last night, think I'll just bump the breaker to a 20amp, everything in the shed is 20 amp and that's where the draw is.
 
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