Polyploid question and identification

[Hitch]

Hello all. So I have what I believe might be a polyploid about three weeks into veg. I have never had one so I could use your help identifying it. Mandala Satori is the strain. It is very difficult to get pictures with all of the fan leaves, but I did my best to take some shots. A few days ago I noticed that it had what appeared to be multiple tops. On closer inspection, I notice triple or quadruple new growth at the nodes instead of the usual pair of new branches. It seems to have started at about the third or fourth node (i’d have to look at it closer to be exact).

if this is a polyploid, I do have a couple of questions for those that might know. 1) am I right in assuming that any clones I take from her will also exhibit that trait since it’s genetic? 2) am I right in understanding that the flowers from polyploid’s are generally unsmokable and that it would be only useful for extracts? 3) I can only find pictures of female cannabis polyploid plants online, but am I right in thinking this could also be male since it’s from regular seed stock? 4) Should I cull it or keep it ?‍♂️?

 

[MtRainDog]

Probably too early to tell. You'll have to take her to maturity and see what she looks like. I often find young veg-lings exhibiting odd behavior that they eventually grow out of.

If it is a polyploid, then the clones will be too, since they are genetically the same organism.

 

[18B]

So I have 2 of these going now...I have smoked the buds...they usually get round and fat across the top...not tall...
My plants only have it on one branch...so if you were to eliminate that growth shoot you would eliminate the polyploid tendency.

 

[BigPretzel]

I had a spirit train f2 do something like this it all of a sudden started doing a 3 branch+3 fans node then 4 branch with 4fans node and it repeated this until I finally just topped it and kept it with 11 tops and it grew fantastic. However you see the little tiny ones starting to grow way after the main branches have been established they almost seem to just appear. I would remove those and strip everything beneath where it topped itself snd I let mine go. Sadly it turned out to be a male but I was ready to take it all the way. I didn’t do much research on them. I didn’t know there was a name for them (shouldn’t be surprised) at all and I also didn’t know that the smoke was sub par. I figured they would be just like as i topped it and trained it like that my self. Mine looked like an octopus of branches. I think it’s in my closet journal around page 6 or 7.

definitely keep us updated this is really cool!

 

[BigPretzel]

I actually still had a pic on my phone of it. Here is the one I was talking about. A spirit train F2 from Sebring Seeds (diygreenlife) I trained the shot out of it and was ready to take it all the way to harvest until a few ? ⚽️ showed.

 

[Meatman]

This is the Creamy Greases polyploid I’ve always only had it on one branch well the two times I’ve had it lol

 

[Hitch]

So I have 2 of these going now...I have smoked the buds...they usually get round and fat across the top...not tall...
My plants only have it on one branch...so if you were to eliminate that growth shoot you would eliminate the polyploid tendency.

It may just be on the one side like you suggest, I guess another week will tell

I actually still had a pic on my phone of it. Here is the one I was talking about. A spirit train F2 from Sebring Seeds (diygreenlife) I trained the shot out of it and was ready to take it all the way to harvest until a few ? ⚽️ showed. View attachment 92083
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I think mine is doing something similar. My understanding is that polyploids might actually be higher in cannabinoids, but that there is something about the bud structure that makes it hard to smoke?

This is the Creamy Greases polyploid I’ve always only had it on one branch well the two times I’ve had it lol View attachment 92091 View attachment 92092

Yeah, I’ve been watching yours with awe. Can I ask at what point you could tell there was something different about it? Was it while it was still in veg?

 

[BigPretzel]

This is the Creamy Greases polyploid I’ve always only had it on one branch well the two times I’ve had it lol View attachment 92091 View attachment 92092

Wow that’s incredible I was wondering why that strain had that bud structure. I’ll tell you what though that would be an amazing picture for science lol. Gorgeous @Meatman yet again you leave me in awe.

 

[Meatman]

It may just be on the one side like you suggest, I guess another week will tell



I think mine is doing something similar. My understanding is that polyploids might actually be higher in cannabinoids, but that there is something about the bud structure that makes it hard to smoke?



Yeah, I’ve been watching yours with awe. Can I ask at what point you could tell there was something different about it? Was it while it was still in veg?

The stem is always like flat instead of a circle it’ll be like flat and kinda veiny if that makes sense but I didn’t notice it until flower in both of them that I had…I just threw the stems in the garbage and there covered in cat shit otherwise I’d grab it out and take a pic lol

 

[Meatman]

Wow that’s incredible I was wondering why that strain had that bud structure. I’ll tell you what though that would be an amazing picture for science lol. Gorgeous @Meatman yet again you leave me in awe.

Ya they are pretty sweet to look at, not to enjoyable to smoke there is so much leaf matter so it’ll get like woody/hay tasting but they are fun to grow so I’ve kept them the 2 times it’s happened

 

[Meatman]

Here is the top

 

[MO_Grow]

Hello all. So I have what I believe might be a polyploid about three weeks into veg. I have never had one so I could use your help identifying it. Mandala Satori is the strain. It is very difficult to get pictures with all of the fan leaves, but I did my best to take some shots. A few days ago I noticed that it had what appeared to be multiple tops. On closer inspection, I notice triple or quadruple new growth at the nodes instead of the usual pair of new branches. It seems to have started at about the third or fourth node (i’d have to look at it closer to be exact).

if this is a polyploid, I do have a couple of questions for those that might know. 1) am I right in assuming that any clones I take from her will also exhibit that trait since it’s genetic? 2) am I right in understanding that the flowers from polyploid’s are generally unsmokable and that it would be only useful for extracts? 3) I can only find pictures of female cannabis polyploid plants online, but am I right in thinking this could also be male since it’s from regular seed stock? 4) Should I cull it or keep it ?‍♂️?

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Are we talking trifoliate or polyploid here? It looks more trifoliate-like to me. And, from what I see here, kinda like it topped itself and is growing more than the normal 2 nodes....vs polyploid which I don't think is noticed until actually flowering out and has that weird ass looking (yet very intriguing) bud structure that Meat showed above, and usually to my knowledge accompanied by celery-type/flat stems... Although I could be wrong on that last aspect. Now, with that said, I don't have first hand experience with poly-, but I have had some tri- in the past...sometimes it grows out of it, sometimes it doesn't, but either way it grows (and smokes) just fine/normal, just grows an extra limb or two above the usual which I've always found as a delight...more nuggetry from my experience.

In either event, to answer your question, no the clones taken probably won't exhibit the same traits as tri- tends to grow out of it, typically, eventually, ime... and if poly- you might be able to tell by the flat stem (if it's even identifiable in veg ?...again, not too sure to my knowledge on that specific aspect). Neither would be un-smokable, just the poly- might be less desirable/enjoyable from my understanding for whatever reason being... It's a weird mf!!

And, whether it's male or female, it's still too young to tell by the pic and I wouldn't be worried...just observe, take notes, and enjoy the ride whichever way it leads you?

 

[Hitch]

Are we talking trifoliate or polyploid here? It looks more trifoliate-like to me. And, from what I see here, kinda like it topped itself and is growing more than the normal 2 nodes....vs polyploid which I don't think is noticed until actually flowering out and has that weird ass looking (yet very intriguing) bud structure that Meat showed above, and usually to my knowledge accompanied by celery-type/flat stems... Although I could be wrong on that last aspect. Now, with that said, I don't have first hand experience with poly-, but I have had some tri- in the past...sometimes it grows out of it, sometimes it doesn't, but either way it grows (and smokes) just fine/normal, just grows an extra limb or two above the usual which I've always found as a delight...more nuggetry from my experience.

In either event, to answer your question, no the clones taken probably won't exhibit the same traits as tri- tends to grow out of it, typically, eventually, ime... and if poly- you might be able to tell by the flat stem (if it's even identifiable in veg ?...again, not too sure to my knowledge on that specific aspect). Neither would be un-smokable, just the poly- might be less desirable/enjoyable from my understanding for whatever reason being... It's a weird mf!!

And, whether it's male or female, it's still too young to tell by the pic and I wouldn't be worried...just observe, take notes, and enjoy the ride whichever way it leads you?

Thanks for he reply! I, too, have had trifoliate plants in the past, but I don’t think this is one. You can’t really see it in the pics above, but there are four leaves and new branch growth at the node (one is kind of hidden by the main stem in the pic). Sort of looks like the one @BigPretzel pictured above, just earlier in veg. I agree that trifoliate plants are just more bud to love lol. This plant is starting to have that characteristic flat stem you mentioned, but it seems to be on the right half only ?‍♂️. I guess we will see how it proceeds.

Yeah way too early to sex, but I’ll admit that I’m curious what a polyploid male would finish like! I spent several hours reading up on them yesterday, but can’t find a picture of a male. Apparently, your standard diploid cannabis plant can’t pollinate a polyploid and there are people out there trying to breed in this trait. Lots of genetics way above my Jeopardy level haha

 

[MO_Grow]

No problem man. I just like to help when I can. And the flat stem thing, I don't believe it happens on the entirety of the plant... Just those affected stems that show the trait in the buds when flowered out. I have no idea why it isn't a whole plant deal honestly and just portions as my knowledge is super limited in this department.


Found this in the tent last night

and it's my first time ever. So, with that said, I just might get around to doing a bit more research on the topic just to have a better understanding of what's actually going on here. And I do still look forward to hearing more people's experience with it here and their takes and understandings of this?

 

[MO_Grow]

Oh ya... you said people are trying to breed it in?!? Just sounds a bit silly to me. Don't get me wrong, it looks kinda cool and from face value I could see someone thinking "it makes bigger/more buds, so I want that!" But I don't think it's something most people actually want imho

 

[18B]

Oh ya... you said people are trying to breed it in?!? Just sounds a bit silly to me. Don't get me wrong, it looks kinda cool and from face value I could see someone thinking "it makes bigger/more buds, so I want that!" But I don't think it's something most people actually want imho

He must mean Colin from ethos...he also brags that he breeds with those fuzzy males...?

 

[Meatman]

Oh ya... you said people are trying to breed it in?!? Just sounds a bit silly to me. Don't get me wrong, it looks kinda cool and from face value I could see someone thinking "it makes bigger/more buds, so I want that!" But I don't think it's something most people actually want imho

Ya definitely not a desirable thing they are leafy as shit and airy as shit, but they are cool lol

 

[Hitch]

I guess there are a couple of reasons there is interest, or so I read. Part of it stems from the fact that they are supposedly higher in cannabinoids. If you’re using it for extracts, that might be a plus. Then there was the fact that those buds supposedly can’t be pollinated by diploid plants, perhaps allowing them to be run simultaneous.

This was all on the internet, so it must be true ?

watching yours with interest @MO_Grow

 

[Desert Rose]

These aren’t worth it imo. You’ll end up with an inferior plant and bud 90% of the time.

 

[BigPretzel]

So are you saying the poly is one that the stem grows kinda flat but looks like a whole crap load of stems in one then each stem branch’s off as a fan? Then the trifoliate is like what I pictured? Because @MO_Grow is 100% correct in saying mine isn’t a polyploid it’s a trifoliate. I was confused and didn’t internalize what I was reading. I did have a Dos Jelly by Brisco that had the really flat stem that looked like it was made of 15+ baby stems all put together. But it was only the lower two branches. The other ones grew normal snd it got so annoying having to defoliating it I was kinda glad it was a male. I did even see how the stem in @Hitch photo had so many lines in it until I reread everyone’s posts twice. Damn ADHD got me good this time jumping the gun. Lol Im pulling up a chair ti this thread so I know next time what I actually got.