Polyploid question and identification

MO_Grow

Underground Chucker
I guess there are a couple of reasons there is interest, or so I read. Part of it stems from the fact that they are supposedly higher in cannabinoids. If you’re using it for extracts, that might be a plus. Then there was the fact that those buds supposedly can’t be pollinated by diploid plants, perhaps allowing them to be run simultaneous.

This was all on the internet, so it must be true ?

watching yours with interest @MO_Grow
On the internet...so, must be true!?

I'm not talking shit here either bud, not my intention at all, just carrying on the convo with my thoughts and understanding on the topic...

One thing about the term cannabinoids that we need to realize and understand, also, is that it's a pretty broad/vague term in the plant world. And higher percentages gets people's attention, and somewhat understandably, but only because that's all we've ever really been exposed to are the vague ass numbers that dispos and other vendors and peoples with special interests (whom wants our monies, and will do anything to get it) expose us to and reveal...and usually tend to give us either half truths or just straight up false information to win our vote to support them.

But it goes even deeper than that and I think that which specific ones (as there are hundreds we're currently aware of and possibly even thousands more that we have yet to identify and understand)...as well as the culmination and mixture of said cannabinoids makes a big difference in their importance and how they are used and how they affect us...and they also don't all affect us all the same either.

Another thing that comes to mind on cons for a valid polyploid argument is very basic in my eyes...if they can't be pollinated by a diploid (a regular m/f or x/y plant of the same species) that doesn't really seem very desirable either, not for me or our hobby's/passion's intents and purposes... to me anyway. In nature, those of the same kind/species are by design intended to mate and procreate to carry on life so the species can not only survive but to evolve, progress, and live on...hell, even though you can't really clone and hold a Ruderalis/Autoflower plant (which are still fairly new to most of us and still not met with much desirability... I don't speak for everyone, just a general observation) indefinitely you can still pollinate it and continue life with it's offspring the next season... As nature intended! If survivability is your main goal above all, sure ruderalis is a great candidate!

Trifoliates are just fine in my opinion and experience. I've had multiple over the years and never had issues I can recall other than it growing more limbs than I'm used to seeing at the same time at the same level of the plant...or simply, not symmetrical like a typical plant. In fact, I believe, 99.9% sure, the female I used to make the Slymeball F2s I just recently ran was a trifoliate and I loved everything about her! And the offspring I grew showed zero of those, or any undesirable traits for that matter, and were all fire!! I'm still puffing on and enjoying some of those fruits as we speak!

Ok...I was high when I started this comment... But, it's been taking me too long a while now, lol, and now I feel like I'm just rambling?

I'll go smoke some more and come back...
But not now though, later...Later, later ay!?
 

Hitch

Perpetual Amateur
So are you saying the poly is one that the stem grows kinda flat but looks like a whole crap load of stems in one then each stem branch’s off as a fan? Then the trifoliate is like what I pictured? Because @MO_Grow is 100% correct in saying mine isn’t a polyploid it’s a trifoliate. I was confused and didn’t internalize what I was reading. I did have a Dos Jelly by Brisco that had the really flat stem that looked like it was made of 15+ baby stems all put together. But it was only the lower two branches. The other ones grew normal snd it got so annoying having to defoliating it I was kinda glad it was a male. I did even see how the stem in @Hitch photo had so many lines in it until I reread everyone’s posts twice. Damn ADHD got me good this time jumping the gun. Lol Im pulling up a chair ti this thread so I know next time what I actually got.

so I’m not sure who you are asking, but if it is me, I want to be 100% clear in that I have absolutely no idea what I have. I just want to be sure you know that I am not speaking with any authority here lol. I only know that this plant is doing some shizzle I’ve never quite seen before and I was curious if there was an early way to detect a poly. I can definitely say that so far it seems to be doing something similar to your plant above. so if yours was trifoliate, then this is probably the same. I have had one trifoliate plant in the past, and it did not quite look like this one, but that doesn’t make you wrong at all!

in fact, upon further review, it appears you are likely correct

On the internet...so, must be true!?

I'm not talking shit here either bud, not my intention at all, just carrying on the convo with my thoughts and understanding on the topic...

One thing about the term cannabinoids that we need to realize and understand, also, is that it's a pretty broad/vague term in the plant world. And higher percentages gets people's attention, and somewhat understandably, but only because that's all we've ever really been exposed to are the vague ass numbers that dispos and other vendors and peoples with special interests (whom wants our monies, and will do anything to get it) expose us to and reveal...and usually tend to give us either half truths or just straight up false information to win our vote to support them.

But it goes even deeper than that and I think that which specific ones (as there are hundreds we're currently aware of and possibly even thousands more that we have yet to identify and understand)...as well as the culmination and mixture of said cannabinoids makes a big difference in their importance and how they are used and how they affect us...and they also don't all affect us all the same either.

Another thing that comes to mind on cons for a valid polyploid argument is very basic in my eyes...if they can't be pollinated by a diploid (a regular m/f or x/y plant of the same species) that doesn't really seem very desirable either, not for me or our hobby's/passion's intents and purposes... to me anyway. In nature, those of the same kind/species are by design intended to mate and procreate to carry on life so the species can not only survive but to evolve, progress, and live on...hell, even though you can't really clone and hold a Ruderalis/Autoflower plant (which are still fairly new to most of us and still not met with much desirability... I don't speak for everyone, just a general observation) indefinitely you can still pollinate it and continue life with it's offspring the next season... As nature intended! If survivability is your main goal above all, sure ruderalis is a great candidate!

Trifoliates are just fine in my opinion and experience. I've had multiple over the years and never had issues I can recall other than it growing more limbs than I'm used to seeing at the same time at the same level of the plant...or simply, not symmetrical like a typical plant. In fact, I believe, 99.9% sure, the female I used to make the Slymeball F2s I just recently ran was a trifoliate and I loved everything about her! And the offspring I grew showed zero of those, or any undesirable traits for that matter, and were all fire!! I'm still puffing on and enjoying some of those fruits as we speak!

Ok...I was high when I started this comment... But, it's been taking me too long a while now, lol, and now I feel like I'm just rambling?

I'll go smoke some more and come back...
But not now though, later...Later, later ay!?

Definitely not taking you as talking any shit at all. I am not a person who “knows everything”, because then you can’t learn anything new.

I don’t disagree with any of your observations above and I am definitely not trying to espouse polyploid propagation, I just think it’s a visually cool phenomenon. I recognized something was different with this plant, and having seen meatman's was wondering if mine might be.

I personally pay zero attention to listed cannabinoids when I select a bean to pop, it all just seems so abstract and grow dependent. It may well be that the terpenes present in my flower mean more to me. But apparently terpenes are affected too. Among others, I read this article, which I found interesting.

I'll keep growing this one out, but right now it really just looks like a trifoliate plant as it matures more. Which is fine by me ?
 

BigPretzel

In Bloom
I definitely understand the difference now. What great info guys! I dug threw all my photos on both my phones and I cannot find a picture of the Dos Jelly male that had that weird stem. I wish I could it was crazy it was like 1/2in wide with all these fans that seemed to be fused together until they got to the leaf and they would branch out all crazy long then. And as each one branched the flat stem got thinner with less and less lines in it until it got to the top which was just this insane cluster fuck of fan leaves coming out you couldn’t even see the top.
 

18B

In Bloom
My trifoliate has now grown out of it...pics later...lights off.
It just went into alternating node mode...has flat multi veined stem...had like 6 leaves coming out of one growth shoot etc, but has now stopped replicating in that manner.
 

MO_Grow

Underground Chucker
I checked that stem last night, it is not completely flat, but def looks and feels more of an oval shape rather than round. Sure is a strange phenomenon. I thought I read in by brief check about them that it is triggered by some kind of environmental stress or imbalance. I'll have to read more on it...
 

18B

In Bloom
So I am handing off my old seed collection to someone better suited to do something with them...I have so much new stuff now it is just not worth the stress and heartache to go through them...but my friend is all about the old, so he is a better man for the job and in a better place to do something with them.
 
Sooo, would this be a trifoliate or a polyploid? I had two Columbian x Bubblegum x ??? That were freebies. Both plants had one or two branches that had clustered the stems or produced the “Mohawk” buds. I ended up just calling the plants Poly 1 and Poly 4! Lol. The bud was lackluster, so they are long gone. I do have the dried buds still attached to the stems. I’ll locate them and post a picture. 125C46C8-1BE9-4385-9B77-E96F607034E3.jpeg
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Meatman

? Master of Meat ?
Sooo, would this be a trifoliate or a polyploid? I had two Columbian x Bubblegum x ??? That were freebies. Both plants had one or two branches that had clustered the stems or produced the “Mohawk” buds. I ended up just calling the plants Poly 1 and Poly 4! Lol. The bud was lackluster, so they are long gone. I do have the dried buds still attached to the stems. I’ll locate them and post a picture. View attachment 92895
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Polyploid for sure
 

Hitch

Perpetual Amateur
Sooo, would this be a trifoliate or a polyploid? I had two Columbian x Bubblegum x ??? That were freebies. Both plants had one or two branches that had clustered the stems or produced the “Mohawk” buds. I ended up just calling the plants Poly 1 and Poly 4! Lol. The bud was lackluster, so they are long gone. I do have the dried buds still attached to the stems. I’ll locate them and post a picture. View attachment 92895
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Poly yeah. Neato.
 

PatVa

Vegging
Only way to determine the ploidy of a plant is to count chromosomes. When trying to do a conversion, leaf thickness or stomata size can give a clue and
be used to identy which to cout.
 
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