Winter/Spring 2024 Grow - Featuring 2 Breeders - Dino's Party & 3Thirteen

[ExNavyInSTL]

Winter/Spring 2024 Grow

I will feature 5 plants from 2 different breeders in this grow journal.

Dino Party:
Dino Party

(1) MooMoo DooDoo
(2) Nyx: Bringer of Sleep and Death
(3) Chopper Sic Balls

Breeder: 3Thirteen:
3Thirteen Seeds - Cannabis Seed Strains - Great Lakes Genetics

(4) Rhubarb S1 (S is breeder talk for breeding a back cross with itself)\
(5) Grease's Pieces



Germination Day

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

Media of Choice:

Floraflex® LooseFill Coco (50L) Bag | 70/30 Blend

• 50L
• Same Certified Organic Coco blend used in QuickFill™
• Slightly compressed
• Easy to break apart
• Can be used with all PotPro™ Pots
• 6x Washed
• Less than 0.6 EC

I did not buffer, but my homemade nutrient recipe will suffice.

If I need to do Ca Foliar, so be it.

Note: For 5 x 6-gallon pots, I have used about 3 bags.

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

Nutrients of Choice:

As I mentioned in my Intro Post, I make my own nutrients from base salts.

I'll start the babies at around 1.0 - 1.2 E.C.
In Veg I'll run it up to 2.0 - 2.2 E.C.
For Flower they slower taper down in the final weeks to 1.8

This grow will not not feature any side products like Recharge. I am going to run them solely on my nutrient blend and include a surfactant to help with absorption.

Below is the recipe I came up with after a lot of research. If anyone wants to know more about how I got to this final recipe then just ask here.

 

[notdezmond]

I really enjoyed the greases pieces I grew. I think everyone does haha. Looking forward to seein the rhubarb. Are they fems or regs?

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

This is a fem-only grow. I still have 4 sex tests on hand for when I grow more Regs.

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

This is going to be a voice to text message, so please excuse any awkward, phrasing or spellings.

Something really bad has happened. I think I poisoned all five of my plants they’re all dead.

I did something different this time, and I regret it. Since I didn’t pre buffer this Coco, I decided to wet the solo cup with what I thought was low-dose Cal/Mag.

One other thing I did for the first time was I used RO water with a little dissolved kelp for the first wetting of the seed once under the coco. however I can’t see how that could be harmful in anyway especially when I used a syringe and a very controlled amount to lightly wet the little area around the lightly covered seed.

It’s my fault I didn’t use it EC meter. Three of the plants did break ground, but then stopped any forward growth.

My problem with this is I’m up against the tide clock because I’m going on a cruise at the end of April.

based on this calculator if I can get them above ground by the 10th, I’ll have 110 days.

That’s basically 15 weeks which should be fine. I’m only going to be away from the plants for seven days so it would be perfect to chop and let them dry while I’m gone. Won’t be able to change humidity water.

I think if I veg for only three weeks, and then flip, I could have them cut and dried, and in their curing bags before I leave. I’ll have a house/dog sitter, but I don’t wanna put any plant responsibilities on him.

Needless to say, this journal is going to be quiet for a few days while I wait to see if I can pop five more of the same plants.

There is some good news. I had my nose surgery today so hopefully in a month I’ll be able to smell Turpines.

I’m always a little embarrassed when people see my Grow Journals then ask what it smells like in the tent, and I can’t give an answer because I can’t smell.

 

[JL2G]

This is going to be a voice to text message, so please excuse any awkward, phrasing or spellings.

Something really bad has happened. I think I poisoned all five of my plants they’re all dead.

I did something different this time, and I regret it. Since I didn’t pre buffer this Coco, I decided to wet the solo cup with what I thought was low-dose Cal/Mag.

One other thing I did for the first time was I used RO water with a little dissolved kelp for the first wetting of the seed once under the coco. however I can’t see how that could be harmful in anyway especially when I used a syringe and a very controlled amount to lightly wet the little area around the lightly covered seed.

It’s my fault I didn’t use it EC meter. Three of the plants did break ground, but then stopped any forward growth.

My problem with this is I’m up against the tide clock because I’m going on a cruise at the end of April.

based on this calculator if I can get them above ground by the 10th, I’ll have 110 days.

That’s basically 15 weeks which should be fine. I’m only going to be away from the plants for seven days so it would be perfect to chop and let them dry while I’m gone. Won’t be able to change humidity water.

I think if I veg for only three weeks, and then flip, I could have them cut and dried, and in their curing bags before I leave. I’ll have a house/dog sitter, but I don’t wanna put any plant responsibilities on him.

Needless to say, this journal is going to be quiet for a few days while I wait to see if I can pop five more of the same plants.

There is some good news. I had my nose surgery today so hopefully in a month I’ll be able to smell Turpines.

I’m always a little embarrassed when people see my Grow Journals then ask what it smells like in the tent, and I can’t give an answer because I can’t smell.



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Dang,sorry to hear about the plants mang. Shit happens to us all, I've killed my fair share for sure. Lol.
The only potential problem I could see would be the plants not being mature enough at only 3 weeks of veg to actually start flowering.
Not meaning by size, just their age. Dunno if that'd throw your timing off.
If your auto watering though could let em coast through that week your gone if they run a bit over time. Better a bit longer flower than an early harvest imho.

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

@JL2G

I’m still laid up in bed Using my voice to text.

Even so, my wife is bringing the magic marker & five storage bags. Time to get started on the redo.

This time I’m gonna go back to keeping it simple. Part of me wants to just start the seed in the cup but I want the feel good you get from seeing the little tail first.

As for flipping it two weeks, I had read that quite a few people are successful this way because the plant continues to veg for three weeks into the 12/12 light cycle. I agree with you that is too early for a maximum harvest.

Having said all of this, if I have 15 weeks that still gives me four weeks of veg and 11 possible weeks of flower If needed. Plus I’ll have four weeks to the day before I leave for my trip. Even better if I could get by with four weeks of veg and 9 to 10 weeks of flour and a week for drying. I’ll keep my fingers crossed for a nine week flower.

My wife will take care of the humidifier water and I have a 20 gallon reservoir. Plus, I’ll make up five or so gallons in individual jugs of properly pH nutrients. I have 3 gallons jugs, but I don’t wanna have her lifting those up as high as the top of my reservoir is.

I think it will actually work out doing it the traditional way.

To add a little safety, I may go ahead and germinate two of each seed just a better my chances that I can do all five now that I’m up against the wall with time it hurts me to waste to seed. Just like I hate with your culling from a few small plants to take the strongest and having to get rid of the others. I guess I’m just emotional that way. LOL

For the seed soak, this time I’m going to germinate the way Ed Rosenthal says to do it. His way is simple that you just use tapwater sprouting solution and half a percent of hydrogen peroxide (3%). I don’t have rooting solution. But I will compensate by putting a little bit of a kelp water mixture in the area where the seed will sprout, and nothing but water goes into the little solo cup with its coco/pearlite mixture … until it’s time to start giving a low dose of nutrients. I’ll let the cotyledons do their job for the first week.

The odd thing about Ed’s way is he says germinate at 72°. I was always under the impression that they liked the little bit warmer this time.

I’ve done this so many times without any problems. My problem is when I try to shoot from the hip with a (supposedly) better new idea.

My math, for the soaking solution looks like this:

30 ml (H2O) x 0.5%(3% H2O2) = 0.15 ml (H2O2).

I keep one milliliter syringes around, so it’ll be an easy measurement.

Onward and upward.

 

[Z71banshee]

I feel your pain. I had a three pack of Greases Pieces that broke ground and then got fried by the sun outside. Good thing about this community, they were replaced by generous members here! Best of luck of the 2.0 run!!

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

@Z71banshee

Thank you, they are soaking now In a dark warm room.

I still find joy in bringing them to life.

 

[HydroRed]

Theres plenty more of the Greases Pieces @ExNavyInSTL if you find you need them. The Rhubarb S1 are pretty much a true 8 week strain so flower time on that one will be great for your time limit. The Greases Pieces are a 9+ week runner for the majority.

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

Theres plenty more of the Greases Pieces @ExNavyInSTL if you find you need them. The Rhubarb S1 are pretty much a true 8 week strain so flower time on that one will be great for your time limit. The Greases Pieces are a 9+ week runner for the majority.

i’m glad to hear about the eight weeks because I put the rhubarb in front. So, if I need to harvest it a week or so before the others that will come in handy.

At this point I’ve only used two of the seeds, so I’m still pretty good. Thank you.

I’m not sure if I’ll get another grow in this summer because I’ve decided to revert back to my teenage years and I’m spending the month of August going to see Sammy Hagar at four cities (Detroit, Houston, Roger’s, Ark., & St.Louis). I just can’t leave my plants with my wife for basically a month. I want her to stay my wife. 😎

Nevermind, I just looked it up. Looks like I have 102 days with only being gone four days in early August. The rest of the shows are at the end of August.

Is anyone else like this … already planning your grows two or three ahead. ⌛️

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

Back to the current garden


After 24 hours soaking, some of the seeds started to show tails. So I decided to go straight to Coco.

This time I kept it really simple.

I mixed it a little recharge and some amino acids in with the dry cocoa/perlite and only used distilled water to wet it.

As I poured the water through the coco, I noticed that a lot of the black parts of recharge (kelp & humic) were running out the bottom, so I moved everything into a bucket and let it sit there for a few minutes.

That way the Coco had time to absorb more of the goodies in recharge.

i’ve got the tent running at about 80° and I’ve tried to push the tint to get to 65% humidity. They also have little clear domes covering where the seed should come up to help hold in some of the moisture.

Now, I’ve just gotta let them be and only open the tent (over the next couple of days) to add water to the humidifier and check to see if I need to spritz the Coco surface.

 

[Z71banshee]

i’m glad to hear about the eight weeks because I put the rhubarb in front. So, if I need to harvest it a week or so before the others that will come in handy.

At this point I’ve only used two of the seeds, so I’m still pretty good. Thank you.

I’m not sure if I’ll get another grow in this summer because I’ve decided to revert back to my teenage years and I’m spending the month of August going to see Sammy Hagar at four cities (Detroit, Houston, Roger’s, Ark., & St.Louis). I just can’t leave my plants with my wife for basically a month. I want her to stay my wife. 😎

Nevermind, I just looked it up. Looks like I have 102 days with only being gone four days in early August. The rest of the shows are at the end of August.

Is anyone else like this … already planning your grows two or three ahead. ⌛️

I’m planning out my next flower run versus time. With the housing market out of control, we need to have our house appraised for insurance purposes in the off chance that something happens, we are financially covered. Can’t have an active grow during appraisals apparently, so the rooms have to be stripped, cleaned and turned into “storage” rooms for a short period.
The time factor comes in because I have a few moms that I want to keep, so they will go outside in the late spring. Get the appraisal done early summer, take cuts from moms to go back inside and a rebuild of the rooms. Will probably fire up the lights in August and I’m already giving myself anxiety thinking about what seeds I want to start! So many seeds and so little time and space…..

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

Alright, this grow is starting to give me a complex.

This is Day 4, and nothing is trying to break the soil surface.

Recap: The seeds were soaked for 24 hours in shot glasses. Some showed shell separation within a day.

They were then planted into solo cups with coco, perlite that had been soaked with water with some Recharge, and some enzymes and amino acids (very small ratio).

The only visual difference was that the coco was pretty dark from the Humic Acid portion of Recharge.

It is strange that not one of 5 different strains isn't at least lifting the coco some by now.

You all know I am up against hard deadlines when harvesting this crop.

I am tempted to start a 3rd grow into plain coco/perlite that has only water in it—no enhancers of any kind.

I feel like the guy sitting on the side of the bed with his head down in shame, saying, "This has never happened to me before."

Am I paranoid, or should pre-soaked seed planted directly into damp coco show some life by the 4th day?

 

[Bodean]

Alright, this grow is starting to give me a complex.

This is Day 4, and nothing is trying to break the soil surface.

Recap: The seeds were soaked for 24 hours in shot glasses. Some showed shell separation within a day.

They were then planted into solo cups with coco, perlite that had been soaked with water with some Recharge, and some enzymes and amino acids (very small ratio).

The only visual difference was that the coco was pretty dark from the Humic Acid portion of Recharge.

It is strange that not one of 5 different strains isn't at least lifting the coco some by now.

You all know I am up against hard deadlines when harvesting this crop.

I am tempted to start a 3rd grow into plain coco/perlite that has only water in it—no enhancers of any kind.

I feel like the guy sitting on the side of the bed with his head down in shame, saying, "This has never happened to me before."

Am I paranoid, or should pre-soaked seed planted directly into damp coco show some life by the 4th day?

How cool is it where you're germinating?
I dropped a lot of beans early in December and they didn't pop in the normal 2-5 days after soaking. Dug them up nothing. So I reused that dirt. 2 weeks later I had them popping up everywhere lol.

My point is they still may pop. Dig a few up and inspect them. You may have to manually crack some. But don't give up on them yet. You could always germ more just in case too like you said to have as backups.

 

[Cincimilla Genetics]

Alright, this grow is starting to give me a complex.

This is Day 4, and nothing is trying to break the soil surface.

Recap: The seeds were soaked for 24 hours in shot glasses. Some showed shell separation within a day.

They were then planted into solo cups with coco, perlite that had been soaked with water with some Recharge, and some enzymes and amino acids (very small ratio).

The only visual difference was that the coco was pretty dark from the Humic Acid portion of Recharge.

It is strange that not one of 5 different strains isn't at least lifting the coco some by now.

You all know I am up against hard deadlines when harvesting this crop.

I am tempted to start a 3rd grow into plain coco/perlite that has only water in it—no enhancers of any kind.

I feel like the guy sitting on the side of the bed with his head down in shame, saying, "This has never happened to me before."

Am I paranoid, or should pre-soaked seed planted directly into damp coco show some life by the 4th day?

It can take some time. I soak seeds over night and into the soil. I may mist the top of soil after day 2 or 3. I sometimes will not see a sprout for a week. I do find that having the soil damp when planting and letting it dry for 2 days then misting the top 2 or 3 days after that. Having a sandwich bag or clear cup over those seeds may help too.

If this doesn’t help it sprout, add some coconut water or aloe water to your next watering if seedlings, those 2 things will help it peak through. Good luck!

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

How cool is it where you're germinating?

My tent is about 82ºF at the pot level.

I have two humidifiers set to 65%, but my Sensor shows it sticking around 52%.

I had had little domes on them and kept them misted. I took them off late yesterday to try and mix things up.

I dropped a lot of beans early in December and they didn't pop in the normal 2-5 days after soaking. Dug them up nothing. So I reused that dirt. 2 weeks later I had them popping up everywhere lol.

My point is they still may pop. Dig a few up and inspect them. You may have to manually crack some. But don't give up on them yet. You could always germ more just in case too like you said to have as backups.

I did see an "elbow" yesterday on one plant. I was afraid of the elbow-only exposure, so I lightly covered it up. And I mean lightly.

I changed things up this time and I seem to be paying for it. I think because I had several mostly perfect grows in a row, I got a little cocky.

 

[HydroRed]

Alright, this grow is starting to give me a complex.

This is Day 4, and nothing is trying to break the soil surface.

Recap: The seeds were soaked for 24 hours in shot glasses. Some showed shell separation within a day.

They were then planted into solo cups with coco, perlite that had been soaked with water with some Recharge, and some enzymes and amino acids (very small ratio).

The only visual difference was that the coco was pretty dark from the Humic Acid portion of Recharge.

It is strange that not one of 5 different strains isn't at least lifting the coco some by now.

You all know I am up against hard deadlines when harvesting this crop.

I am tempted to start a 3rd grow into plain coco/perlite that has only water in it—no enhancers of any kind.

I feel like the guy sitting on the side of the bed with his head down in shame, saying, "This has never happened to me before."

Am I paranoid, or should pre-soaked seed planted directly into damp coco show some life by the 4th day?

When scrolling, @Bodean seemed like he was on the exact same line of thought I was about temps -but if your at 82*F ambient room temp with RH at 55%+ then there doesnt appear to be a temp or humidity issue...certainly if they were all under domes. The way you germinated isnt something I practice (not implying its wrong or right) so I cant really speak on how fast they should be popping up through the coco. I germinate in wet paper towels in a ziplock bag on my cable box. Then I can see the taproot before I even plant. I tend to let a germinated seedling/cuts get just "a little thirsty" (but not dry) vs keeping them "wet wet". Ive lost way more new seeds from dampening off than I have from getting "a little thirsty".

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

Update:

Advice is well received.

This morning I decided to dig around in the coco. I couldn’t even find a seed, much less a tail or elbow.

So, I’m starting a third round. This time I gave them a light scuff with my wife’s Emory board.

Then dropped them into little glasses with tap water with a hint of H2O2.

I have an Igloo cooler that is rigged out with heat mats. This is what I use for spawning mycelium on grain.

It’s set to 80 degrees and well insulated. Tonight, I’ll transfer to tried and true moist paper towels.

What is the minimum length that you allow for the tails?

My logic, regarding flower/harvest timing, has relaxed. I was thinking that if I have to leave them for the last week of flower it’s no big deal. By then they won’t need a humidifier and my reservoir is 18 gallons. They can auto-pilot for a week on 12/12 and light nutrients.

I‘m pretty good with keeping good moisture conditions. I pre-wet the solo cups a day before and then on planting day fluff up the top 2 inches. I never worry about drowning the seed. I lightly cover the seed, sometimes with the seed shells exposed and tail only buried.

This Is now WAR! 😆