Out in the shed - Winter 23/24

DopeDaniel · Jan 1, 2024

JL2G said:
You need to add a third in and braid them.

How 'bout 4?

Raised the light a few inches, less than a foot of room left (more like 6 in). Branches are stiffening up, stretch is slowing down. Today is day 20, turned the light to max, working the tops so they are right around 1000 ppfd. Hopefully can go a couple days before raising the light again.

DopeDaniel · Jan 3, 2024

Jewels said:
4/5 germ for me.
Going strong, now.

Looks like I'm 12/18, 11 healthy, one looked like a snake choking on a mouse.

Did a little body modification.

Grow notes - gg4/Rhodium - Shoulda taken 1-2 or more nodes over a few more days, maybe till day 17 or so.

LaoSa - Took probably the last few nodes off today (day 22).

Stardawg - Hope the hail mary cuts root.

The tent is getting full, need to work on airflow.

BH · Jan 3, 2024

DopeDaniel said:
Looks like I'm 12/18, 11 healthy, one looked like a snake choking on a mouse.
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Did a little body modification.
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Grow notes - gg4/Rhodium - Shoulda taken 1-2 or more nodes over a few more days, maybe till day 17 or so.
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LaoSa - Took probably the last few nodes off today (day 22).

Stardawg - Hope the hail mary cuts root.

The tent is getting full, need to work on airflow.

Jungle in there

Jewels · Jan 3, 2024

DopeDaniel said:
Did a little body modification

I gotta bite.
You used a scalpel to perform an a episiotomy ?
I didn't even know that was a thing. Well, err, um - FINE- it was in my vocabulary, Okay ?
I just didn't think it would ever come up here.😒 At my safe place.

Kidding aside, (couldn't help it, done now) Did you incise that shoot to release the growth ?
You implied that you did, and the photo supports that.

I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around it.
I keep looking at the 'before' picture.
I don't understand it until I realize that 'like a snake choking on a mouse' is not an idiom, it is a metaphor.
My brain imagines a sprout as one continuous beast. Root, shank, coty; it is no different than a single-celled organism in my mind.
Your photo seems to show all of the vegetation emerging from a canal.
I am really glad that you shared that. I had never considered it. That is most likely why it was baffling me. How many plants have had germinated?
Never seen it, but that only leaves me wondering
Is it possible that my eyes could not see that happen because my brain could not consider that happening ?

Jewels · Jan 3, 2024

Can I just pop that top off, stuff some tissue culture in there?
In situ vitro ? 🐇🤓

DopeDaniel · Jan 4, 2024

Jewels said:
My brain imagines a sprout as one continuous beast

I have considered them seperate, perhaps because one has serrated leaves and the other does not? The cotty/tap root being the delivery system, the actual embryo what I imagine are a cluster of meristem cells or something of the like.

Jewels said:
You used a scalpel to perform an a episiotomy ?

Jewels said:
Did you incise that shoot to release the growth ?

Nothing so complicated.

The LaoSa I am flowering now spent a month with just cotty's, eventually it sprouted multiple tops from what I would say is the first node, the one where the cottys intersect the stem.

Jewels said:
Can I just pop that top off, stuff some tissue culture in there?
In situ vitro ? 🐇🤓

I think so.

DopeDaniel · Jan 5, 2024

JL2G said:
Curious if any of the biche have shown sex yet or alternated nodes.
Did you take clones of them btw?
Was wondering if a clone were thrown into flower if it'd still hang out for a good time before flowering itself, or if it'd go to right away.

After topping they have regressed to/towards non alternating nodes.

One of the MB cuts didn't make it (#5) and #6 is touch and go. I pulled the dome after 3 days and they didn't like it, got it back on for the last few days. I ordered a new type of microbial cloning/rooting gel, should be here in a few days. I plan on taking more cuts of the MB and thinking of using those for seed making, otherwise I'll have to bonsai the moms and dads back. I'd rather start over, knowing headroom is going to be tested.

Some of the hybrids are starting to show preflowers.

The blueberry muffin @Amarok are using about 75% of the water/nutrients everything else is. When transplanted the root structure was much more fine, thin diameter roots. They were less root bound on transplant, don't quite know what to make of it as the above ground development though short, seems on par with the rest.

DopeDaniel · Jan 5, 2024

Mango Biche #1

@UrbanHillbilly ☝️ female ☝️

UrbanHillbilly · Jan 5, 2024

DopeDaniel said:
Mango Biche #1
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@UrbanHillbilly ☝️ female ☝️

Ok, so likely this one:

But this one is probably male. Right?

Jewels · Jan 5, 2024

DopeDaniel said:
The cotty/tap root being the delivery system, the

K. Still learn'n stuff.
The before picture appeared as a pitcher plant, to me. I assumed it was swallowing all the green.

The pinch point, in actuality, was between the Coty and serrated leaves. This is making sense to me.

Jewels said:
How many plants have had germinated?

Enough to have seen sprouts seemingly stall, and not spit out serrated leaves.
I was dismissing them as topless retards.
Never occurred to me. I am not one to peak in my Christmas presents.
Next time I see one of those little guys choking on their own cud, I'm going to peel those ears back and see what Santa brought me.

JL2G · Jan 5, 2024

UrbanHillbilly said:
Ok, so likely this one:

Hard to say for sure with that pic on the first one. Preflower is blurry in that pic, does it have the white hair and is it tight to the plant stalk?

UrbanHillbilly said:
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But this one is probably male. Right?

Second pic is for sure a male. See how its got a stem off of the stalk? With the round claw lookin thing at the end? That a boy all day.

UrbanHillbilly said:
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JL2G · Jan 5, 2024

DopeDaniel said:
After topping they have regressed to/towards non alternating nodes.

Thats crazy it did that. Like ok, you hit the reset button, time to start over. lol

DopeDaniel said:
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One of the MB cuts didn't make it (#5) and #6 is touch and go. I pulled the dome after 3 days and they didn't like it, got it back on for the last few days. I ordered a new type of microbial cloning/rooting gel, should be here in a few days. I plan on taking more cuts of the MB and thinking of using those for seed making, otherwise I'll have to bonsai the moms and dads back.

You did a nice job of bonsai Jenny, has/had such a neat foldy bendy thick stem to her from your pruning training. Since having some new momma Jennys, the bonsai she's going to be flipped for flower here in a couple weeks.

DopeDaniel said:
I'd rather start over,

Sometimes thats easier.

DopeDaniel said:
knowing headroom is going to be tested.

LST the heck out of em. lol. F em and their head room with a scissors or one of those fancy printed plant benders. lol
May be in that headroom trouble boat myself. lol I have a couple Slymers I flipped too late and they may test my new height limits with the ceiling fan additions.

DopeDaniel said:
Some of the hybrids are starting to show preflowers.

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The blueberry muffin @Amarok are using about 75% of the water/nutrients everything else is. When transplanted the root structure was much more fine, thin diameter roots. They were less root bound on transplant, don't quite know what to make of it as the above ground development though short, seems on par with the rest.

Overall looking very nice mang.

JL2G · Jan 5, 2024

Jewels said:
K. Still learn'n stuff.
The before picture appeared as a pitcher plant, to me. I assumed it was swallowing all the green.

The pinch point, in actuality, was between the Coty and serrated leaves. This is making sense to me.

Enough to have seen sprouts seemingly stall, and not spit out serrated leaves.
I was dismissing them as topless retards.
Never occurred to me. I am not one to peak in my Christmas presents.
Next time I see one of those little guys choking on their own cud, I'm going to peel those ears back and see what Santa brought me.

Your crackin me up mang.

UrbanHillbilly · Jan 5, 2024

DopeDaniel said:
Mango Biche #1
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@UrbanHillbilly ☝️ female ☝️

This is the telltale white hair of a female, correct?

DopeDaniel · Jan 6, 2024

UrbanHillbilly said:
This is the telltale white hair of a female, correct?

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Nope.
I believe he botanical term for that is bract.
You will see them on both male and female, I circled them in a screen shot of your 2nd pic in previous post what I agree is a male.

If you're paying me to make decisions I'd say pop more beans while you wait on the one in the first pic, and don't chop the suspected male yet.

Allow me to interlude -
The moon has cyclic wobble to its orbit, one of three distinct regular oscillating lunar characteristics.

There is a northern node and a southern node for each oscillation. So long as the moon is playing "in bounds" some generalizations are posited.

When the moon is descending the plant focuses on below ground development.

When the moon is ascending the plant tends to focus on above ground development.

The moon crossed the southern node a couple days ago and is currently ascending.

Moon calendar astrology - free chart online

That website gives a good visual of what the moon is doing though I disagree with some of their interpretations.

JL2G said:
F em and their head room with a scissors or one of those fancy printed plant benders. lol

Just cause you walk round with a cheap haircut doesn't mean everyone else has too. LoL

Be careful with that root ball, its getting close to a year old. The over 1 year old Jenny I flowered this spring ended up growing an enclosure for fungus gnats.

This is a bud from that plant

DopeDaniel · Jan 8, 2024

IPM yesterday 1/3 gal vinerate and botanigard 1t ea.

Initial screening indicates 2x BBM female and the one with firey looking serrations is unknown. 1x Mango Tango x Oilspill is grabbing my nose, none have sexed yet. GrapesMac bleeds purple, can't remember now if I was able to confirm one female or not 🤷‍♂️ Still only the one Mango Biche female, they have taken over half of the tent (right side). I've tried keeping them tight but they still are branching quite wildly.

Still debating if I want to do a side by side with the new rooting compound that arrived today.

Think I just made up my mind, clonex vs. Imio, 4 cuts from each MB 2 for each compound.

Looks like f'd up the sour bubble seedlings a bit too by going too hot on nutes.

The other seedlings need transplanted and I got confirmation of roots on stardawg, might as well get cuts of everything else too, tomorrow looks like a busy day.

DopeDaniel · Jan 9, 2024

Culled the Stem Cell cbg, it was runty and funky, looked like a mini palm tree. I couldn't see any growing tip, leaves were just popping out the top. Saved the tag, need to pop a few more, doing poorly wasn't 100% its fault.

Just testing Clonex vs. Imio on the Mango Biche, used Imio for the rest. Took 4 cuts from each MB, topped the top two nodes, one snip from each node was given either Clonex or Imio.

Mixing the Imio Root was not as easy as the instructions indicated. They have a liquid version as well, I may try that next. Two of the species are in BAS Microbe Complete (Ab and Pp).

What may happen on the MB is the main stub with the remaing topped growth gets removed. This will leave two tops growing from the 2nd node, the oldest part of the plant basically. Then move those 6 and a couple Tropicolada seedless into the garage tent. I'm just not sure I can hold the temp in there these are gonna want so backup plan is to use my main room but I was hoping to use that for the Sour Bubble hunt. Kinda fortunate that time before last round of seed starts shit the bed, I don't have room anyway lol. Option 3 would be whatever variation of 1 or 2 with the cuts.

DopeDaniel · Jan 14, 2024

IPM day Botanigard and Grandevo 1t 1/3 gal. 1 drop thermx70 (it's in every foliar I do).

Retopped the MB, each has 2 branches now. Gonna bite the bullet and heat the garage, I'll run lights at night and pretty quickly after transplant have them on 14/10. It'll be a hot shift between confirmation of rooted cuts and flip. The first round I took look good with the exception of loosing no. 5 and several of the plants a pushing out root bumps on the main stem above the soil so I think they should be fine.

Topdressed main veg yesterday 1T Dr. Earth 4-4-4, waiting for this cold snap to pass before ordering more ewc, clones and seedling will get some liquid feed soon. The Sour Bubble needs transplanted from starters to 3.5in, hard recovery from me overfeeding them. The previous round of starts is looking better after their uppot a week or so ago.

Day 33F

DopeDaniel · Jan 19, 2024

Fixed a couple outlets in the garage that were reverse polarity.

Any reason for this? Previous owner was electrical engineer in mining. One of them was upside down like you'ld typically do for a switched outlet.

Most likely going to move the veg tent into the garage. More than likely will get another tent for chucking too. We are thinking about getting a sauna so having the tent out of where it is will help that process as the sauna would fit perfectly where the tent is now. This should be good even if it is a little more difficult environment wise.

Also gonna try to automate the watering for bigger veg plants, we'll see how this goes. Gonna transplant to 7x7x7in tapered pots set with a blumat carot in one pot and drippers going to multiple pots.

Forgot about a Big 6 feeding I did a while back and didn't document, will do another here about two weeks apart. This will be the final "feed" but I'll still be giving microbes.

Turned the light down to 8 a few days ago too, just over 5 weeks flower.

DopeDaniel · Jan 20, 2024

Transplanted a cut of the LaoSa and a Tropicolada seedless into the Mango Biche tent. Moved a couple Miel de Regaliz x Nevile's Haze in there too. I'll have to keep a close watch and if there is any contamination then I'll have to start over with the MB clones.

Need some hardware to finalize the heater install. Got a place cleared for the veg tent, need some insulation for the floor and wall/window.

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