That's another one I forgot about. Jeremy and Tad don't seem to like each other, lol.
Out in the shed - Winter 23/24
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That's funny. I like both of their stores. I feel like bas has more stuff, but sometimes that's not always a good thing. I'm also lazy and cheap so keeping it simple makes me a happy camper. I am with you on the wanting to do a worm bin. This is something I need to do as well. Hopefully I can keep that simple too.
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Tha Dank Hoarder
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Psychobilly
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You haven't seen footage of the the South getting a Snow Storm I take it?
I may not be thinking about this quite right, so, correct me if I'm wrong, but GG4, from what I understand, was grown from bagseed, which, I've been hearing for some time, that bagseed will possibly create hermie traits in a plant. So, is this the genetics ? I know there's no shortage of mystery bagseed "elite cuts" going around.
Edison wasn't so much a great inventor, more like a black market cannabis grower. He found more than he invented imo. Capitalism doesn't flinch and often people are dropped in situations where something lands in their lap and history becomes clouded.
Never met Josey not meaning to shit talk about the dead either but quite frankly, not gonna put him on a pedistal. Cannabis history is full of half-truths.
Bagseed is too broad a term. Hermie prone, stressed to seed, rhodendalization (sp?), intentionally reversed, stray pollen... a little snowstorm in Georgia is nothing compared to this.
Psychobilly
🧀Muenster
Edison was nuts. I grew up near his boyhood home. Tesla was the mad genius, where Edison seemed to be the "I've got a well funded team, in a well funded lab because I met JP Morgan so everything that comes out of here is going to have my name on it". He didn't invent a light bulb either; he found a better way to make one in a manner that allowed sales to happen is all. I'm well aware of the history there.
Josey ? Now we're at a name I don't know the back story of....
The Origins of GG4 - RIP Joesy Whales
Upon the sad news of Joesy Whales' death recently, we've decided to pay homage to the man and his greatest creation, GG4 in this article where we examine the origins of this modern megalith of the cannabis world.
Psychobilly
🧀Muenster
The Origins of GG4 - RIP Joesy Whales
Upon the sad news of Joesy Whales' death recently, we've decided to pay homage to the man and his greatest creation, GG4 in this article where we examine the origins of this modern megalith of the cannabis world.www.alchimiaweb.com
I'm reading through this now. I didn't know about him.
Oh damn.... I've never had that one before. I was never really a fan of GG4, and not because I'm against it or something, I just had it so many times, where it wasn't grown right at all, and the Wife is the same way, as her Dad grew nothing but that for years because he seemed to think that it was the highest THC strain ever, and even if you pulled it WAY too early, it would somehow still be better than anything else. It was awful.
That's actually impressive. I've never had Hash do that before.
Man he does have some taste huh? Chems and Diesels everywhere!!!
See, this is the part where I get confused at times, because I've heard since day one, that breeding with a hermie plant, will make that plant pass the trait on to others. Now, I don't know for sure how that part works out every time, as I simply haven't gotten the experience yet. Don't get me wrong, there's a few strains that, if I had bagseed of them, I wouldn't care. Chemdog is the same way anyway if the 13 seeds are legit hermies. Chem D is one of my all time favorites.
This makes me wonder how many times someone had that exact one and didn't realize it wasn't #4 LOL. GG was huge around here for a while.
OK, I've now finished reading through this. I knew sort of what the lineage of GG was, with Chem's Sister and so on, but the tale itself was new to me. I always get a little stuck on how any type of bagseed doesn't pass the traits on, after hearing so many times that it's not good to breed with. I mean, Chemdog and GG both apparently come from that exact route, but ....How do they not pass this on, if bagseed is really a trait that can be passed on genetically I guess is where I get confused. I've heard selfing can be similar, or, more likely, that it can bring out recessive traits. I found that interesting myself from my love of Cheese, and how selfing enough Skunk plants, would in theory lead to Cheese #2.
It's intermittent?
It can't be bred out, at least not via traditional methods over the last 20,000 years or so.
Not throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Stardawg
LaoSa
MangoTango x Oilspill @GthaEnigma
x2 boys I think the third is also a boy but holding it back cause if it is, it's more llikely getting chucked at something.
Rhodium is very close, possibly within a week, it's 8 weeks on Tuesday.
Psychobilly
🧀Muenster
Probably based on if I smoked Sin City Juice before typing LOL
I read into this a bit, and though I'm not positive of it, from what I could find at least, bag seed CAN do a hermie trait, because of how it began (somehow being stressed out enough that the plant, in a last ditch effort to keep it's genetics alive, creates the nanners so that the progeny will go on to live another day) but once you get to this point, I can't find any info on if the plant eventually isn't stressed out over multiple generations. It seems like if enough generations were ran, and they weren't stressed out, that it may eventually stop that trait coming through? This is the part I can't seem to ever find info on. I think one of the things that always makes me go "wait what?" is that there's....Basically no one who would breed bagseed out into something without looking to see if hermies formed, and yet at the same time, there's a bunch of stuff that began exactly that way. GG is only one of them, and I have heard once that actual cuts from the plant, are useful still, as they may not pass that on. I may not be wording this the best way, but this is one of those topics that, what I'm thinking in my brain isn't in words so much as questions in images, so it's hard to say it right. I think the only example I know of, is Chem DMT; Chemdog is known to have come from bagseed, but the exact cut is still used for breeding without any issues so far. And Chem DMT, is actually partially from bagseed that apparently came from the dude Chemdog, and, at least according to the "brochure", Chem DMT was tested to see if any hermie traits came from it, and none did (according to said shiny brochure) so, I guess my misunderstanding comes from being able to use bag seed VS it always passing on that trait ?
Great questions. I don't have the answers.
Before human intervention this plant was monocious (bagseed was the only option), now it is diocious. Check my spelling.
Flowering is a stress response, the plants response to shortening days (photos) or predetermined (auto) or determinant/indeterminant. I believe the environment the seed is produced in matters. If a female plant is stressed to produce pollen and seed and the overall stress level of the plant is not reduced, this is bad for seed production not in yield of viable seed but in what those seed will tend towards.
Perinial vs annual - aka reveg. Regions where this plant evolved most likely had the environment favorable for the plant to be annual when humans first came into the picture. So, maybe this is a way to reduce the herm potential?
Finally starting to get the garage environment settled.
Mango Biche tent has been on 14/10 for a few days, not sure I documented that or how long it's been exactly.
Veg
need to get the plants in 3.5in pots (yellowing in top pic) transplanted today. Been doing liquid feeds of espoma indoor and tomato for life support.
Sour Bubble IX pheno hunt and mom's
These need to go into the 3x3 (Veg) and trade places with the newer cuts of MB and "next at bat" flower plants. Slymer (starters on the right) need transplanted. I will probably put a couple outdoor this summer, don't know where/when else I'll be able to flower them. As it is, I'm looking at taking cuts of the Sour Bubble and either doing a risky spring indoor in the shed or more likely doing the hunt outdoor. Need to start thinking about Afgaan 90 too, got 2 going now and need to pop the new pack...
Mango Biche tent has been on 14/10 for a few days, not sure I documented that or how long it's been exactly.
Veg
need to get the plants in 3.5in pots (yellowing in top pic) transplanted today. Been doing liquid feeds of espoma indoor and tomato for life support.
Sour Bubble IX pheno hunt and mom's
These need to go into the 3x3 (Veg) and trade places with the newer cuts of MB and "next at bat" flower plants. Slymer (starters on the right) need transplanted. I will probably put a couple outdoor this summer, don't know where/when else I'll be able to flower them. As it is, I'm looking at taking cuts of the Sour Bubble and either doing a risky spring indoor in the shed or more likely doing the hunt outdoor. Need to start thinking about Afgaan 90 too, got 2 going now and need to pop the new pack...
Back row of 6in pots left to right - MdR x NH, CnC, CnC, Sour Bubble, Bakehouse @Frosty78 (showing female), Tropicolada, Tropicolada.
3x 6in pots (yellow plants in front) furthest - Sour Special Sauce CBD, 2x Afgaan90 in front.
5x 2gal clockwise from above the SSS - GrapesMac 1 @HBZ ♀️ , Blueberry Muffin 1 @Amarok ♀️ , GM2 ♀️ , Blueberry Muffin 2 ♀️ , MangoTango x OilSpill 3 @GthaEnigma ♂️
This Bluberry Muffin with interesting serrations is suspected male and going to flower for confirmation.
Not showing me anything super special yet, the females smell better. The GM is super loud, so is the MTOS male, yeah, that'll probably happen...
Another thing I forgot to document was flower room got turned down to 60% the day after I dimmed to 70%. Tops are less than 600ppfd, more like 4-500. About 5 days since I first noticed the nanners, seems things are straightening out, all 3 cuts are showing something the one getting the least light seams less affected.
3x 6in pots (yellow plants in front) furthest - Sour Special Sauce CBD, 2x Afgaan90 in front.
5x 2gal clockwise from above the SSS - GrapesMac 1 @HBZ ♀️ , Blueberry Muffin 1 @Amarok ♀️ , GM2 ♀️ , Blueberry Muffin 2 ♀️ , MangoTango x OilSpill 3 @GthaEnigma ♂️
This Bluberry Muffin with interesting serrations is suspected male and going to flower for confirmation.
Not showing me anything super special yet, the females smell better. The GM is super loud, so is the MTOS male, yeah, that'll probably happen...
Another thing I forgot to document was flower room got turned down to 60% the day after I dimmed to 70%. Tops are less than 600ppfd, more like 4-500. About 5 days since I first noticed the nanners, seems things are straightening out, all 3 cuts are showing something the one getting the least light seams less affected.
Frimpong
🔥Freak Genetics🔥
Fwiw I've had gg4 for years and no issues, stable as a table . Have hit her w male and fem pollen several times and no issues. I think she doesn't like being reversed. Jmho
Psychobilly
🧀Muenster
Do you think that her not wanting to be reversed, is from the recessive traits it can bring out? This has been stumping me a bit as I learn more about how breeding works.
Well, pretty sure I am 3/3 males so I'll have to break back into the pack to find out. First time for that I think, usually with three teens one ends up female 🤷♂️ . Not sure if I've ever done a chuck without at least sampling the strain either?
Well I've never sampled the Sugar Factory yet, but am keeping the one male and making F2's with all the girls. Whats supposed to come of them terpwise and the fact I doubt I can aquire any more, so thats the plan I'm running with. lol
Pretty sure I'm wrong all the way round here. Just this summer I chucked Pirate's purple plant at gw x cnc. Besides that one of the MTOS I put in flower is looking female now.
Trying to avoid the frustration chop. I didn't observe my temperature logs frequently enough this round. The cold snap mid January caught me doing what idk but had a couple nights in the high 50's and again here last week or so not as bad (low 60's) but still not ideal.
Thinking I'll start sequential harvest to at least see what's up. The Rhodium should be ready in a few days so this will help it go into a stable drying enviro I guess. Trying to be positive.
Yeah, will be interisting, wife said it smelled like ginger in veg. By the look we are just past halfway at 8 weeks.
I've got a traffic jam in veg too, need to move the tallest plants to flower, but not sure exactly how that will work. I may end up just leaving them in containers.
