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dstroy0

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Yes, I was having problems like that, mostly P, K and a mg def.

I've been looking around, and found jacks part a and b feeding chart


Their part A is 5-12-26 just like MC, and their ratio is 1.5:1 A:B, MC cal-nit is 15.5-0-0 and jacks is 15-0-0

I haven't had success following GLNs "schedule" AT ALL.

at 4g/gal my ppm is 640 with protekt, hydroguard, and 35ml of eh calmag (30 gal res)

I think I should be somewhere between 4-5g per gallon A+B
 

SSGrower

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I haven't had success following GLNs "schedule" AT ALL.
Me neither. Too hot for all stages, thought they would fix it with 2 part, at least it has made it more flexible. The organic ingredients in the one part were for the most part causing the insolubility "issues". People that didn't run continuious circulation more frequently had issues with it so far as I could tell.

I don't think their approch to amino acid chelation is actually all that novel. I think it is more or less a mixing procedure on their end. They may disolve the aminos, mix with micros, dry and mill. Based partly on your confirmation I will be spending some time on hydrobuilder to see what I can come up with. They have a liquid amino with micros iirc and elite91 is basically the edta version of what I want to do. I think I can source aminos elesewhere sigma aldrich or spectrum should have them but wont deal with general public. I want an alternative source anyway and the place I get my silica (orthosilicic acid) from has l-aminos too.

My last res landed at 6g/gal 2.35g mca 2.15g cal-nit 0.5g ea. MgSO4, CaCl and MOAB (basically monopotassium phosphate with a sprinkle of monoammonium phosphate).

Will top up with Mills P/K (monopotassium phosphate) to maintain ppm at the target resivoir volume.

I just got a 6lb bag of the part a and probably won't need to crack into it before summer is over tho, guess I have plenty of material to reverse engineer too 🤷‍♂️
 

dstroy0

In Bloom
Me neither. Too hot for all stages, thought they would fix it with 2 part, at least it has made it more flexible. The organic ingredients in the one part were for the most part causing the insolubility "issues". People that didn't run continuious circulation more frequently had issues with it so far as I could tell.

I don't think their approch to amino acid chelation is actually all that novel. I think it is more or less a mixing procedure on their end. They may disolve the aminos, mix with micros, dry and mill. Based partly on your confirmation I will be spending some time on hydrobuilder to see what I can come up with. They have a liquid amino with micros iirc and elite91 is basically the edta version of what I want to do. I think I can source aminos elesewhere sigma aldrich or spectrum should have them but wont deal with general public. I want an alternative source anyway and the place I get my silica (orthosilicic acid) from has l-aminos too.

My last res landed at 6g/gal 2.35g mca 2.15g cal-nit 0.5g ea. MgSO4, CaCl and MOAB (basically monopotassium phosphate with a sprinkle of monoammonium phosphate).

Will top up with Mills P/K (monopotassium phosphate) to maintain ppm at the target resivoir volume.

I just got a 6lb bag of the part a and probably won't need to crack into it before summer is over tho, guess I have plenty of material to reverse engineer too 🤷‍♂️

I'm going to buy the kelp extract from GLN as well, I've been looking at chitosan oligosaccharide on alibaba.
 

SSGrower

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I'm going to buy the kelp extract from GLN as well, I've been looking at chitosan oligosaccharide on alibaba.
I could go for kelp, but I am not convinced either is necessary. I think I can stimulate plants immune response using asprin if I want to.
 

dstroy0

In Bloom
Didn't have a good feeling about my memory of the elite 91 product so I took a look and remember now cost is why I didn't go with it but its actually a really interisting product to me now.


It has the aminos not micros like I thought.

 

dstroy0

In Bloom
However there is a trick to getting ortho.
It may just be time in solution idk but I think acidic ph may promote it. In my reading ortho is what is actually assimilated by the plant. Iirc it will make it with sio2.

Yeah I don't really know what's going on to get to ortho, how it happens.

I read that it's (orthosilicic acid) in ocean water, diatoms live there and some of them use it to build their cell walls.
 

dstroy0

In Bloom
However there is a trick to getting ortho.
It may just be time in solution idk but I think acidic ph may promote it. In my reading ortho is what is actually assimilated by the plant. Iirc it will make it with sio2.
the most important sources that release ortho-silicic acid as a bioavailable form of silicon are: colloidal silicic acid (hydrated silica gel)


it looks like we can make ortho-silicic acid at home by rehydrating silica gel in hot water
 

SSGrower

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Clipped from the intro -
Beside the ortho-silicic acid and its stabilized formulations such as choline chloride-stabilized ortho-silicic acid and sodium or potassium silicates (e.g. M2SiO3; M= Na,K), the most important sources that release ortho-silicic acid as a bioavailable form of silicon are: colloidal silicic acid (hydrated silica gel), silica gel (amorphous silicon dioxide), and zeolites.

1) I'm recently taking choline for digestive health. Id say it works to curb the swings of constipation and diarrhea.

2) zeolites are the materials used for molecular sieves I have been trying for pollen storage.

Just some totally random shit btw.
 

dstroy0

In Bloom
Clipped from the intro -
Beside the ortho-silicic acid and its stabilized formulations such as choline chloride-stabilized ortho-silicic acid and sodium or potassium silicates (e.g. M2SiO3; M= Na,K), the most important sources that release ortho-silicic acid as a bioavailable form of silicon are: colloidal silicic acid (hydrated silica gel), silica gel (amorphous silicon dioxide), and zeolites.

1) I'm recently taking choline for digestive health. Id say it works to curb the swings of constipation and diarrhea.

2) zeolites are the materials used for molecular sieves I have been trying for pollen storage.

Just some totally random shit btw.

I think you can dissolve hydrated silica in hot potassium hydroxide and water as well, I don’t know jack about chemistry. I’m pretty sure at least one of these companies does it that way because I’ve seen KOH as an ingredient, either that or it’s in there to stabilize and keep the ph high.
 

SSGrower

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I think you can dissolve hydrated silica in hot potassium hydroxide and water as well, I don’t know jack about chemistry. I’m pretty sure at least one of these companies does it that way because I’ve seen KOH as an ingredient, either that or it’s in there to stabilize and keep the ph high.
The one for humans also has fulvic and another acid ICR but must be why I don't have any issues with it pushing pH up like people that use the hydrostore stuff. It is quite a bit less concentrated than the roots stuff but $20 a bottle vs. 90.
 

dstroy0

In Bloom
I've been messaging GLN on IG and they said they're changing their part A micros a little, and adding DPTA iron. Over a pH of appx 6.2 EDTA iron becomes unavailable, DPTA iron remains available, I gather it's used in aquaponics.

edit: jacks uses EDDHA iron, available up to pH 9.

Another thing which other people have pointed out is that GLN part A is really close to jacks part A

Jacks part A:
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GLN megacrop part A:
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Pretty close, about the same amount of Magnesium. With jacks, people grow great looking plants with a ratio of approximately 3A:2:B:1epsom, which is 1.5A:1B, or the same that megacrop recommended me to try.

at 4.5g/gal megacrop it works out to:

2.7gA : 1.8gB : 0.9gEpsom, I only added half the epsom so 0.45g/gal and my EC is 1.42 (725ppm 0.5 scale).
 

SSGrower

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they're changing their part A micros a little, and adding DPTA iron. Over a pH of appx 6.2 EDTA iron becomes unavailable, DPTA iron remains available, I gather it's used in aquaponics.

edit: jacks uses EDDHA iron, available up to pH 9.
My whole reasoning for going with MC is being challenged. I don't think these non-essential aminos are bad for plant development, quite the contrary, the science shows they are better with regard to nutrient efficacy. My issue is the waste and waste product.

Lets say someone uses this in their garden, which they collect compost from on an annual basis. I see a real potential for an over accumulation of chelating agents. Similarly for those that dump it down the drain only this becomes an issue for the municipality. The essential aminos at least have a chance of being used by the plant, this is my speculation, however the non-essential aminos simply remain as they were they don't to my knowledge easily break down. This is where toxic nutrient salts could/would (did for me in quasi rols) have long term adverse effects.

I could be wrong but why else are they bailing on essential aminos? Again (remenber v2)? Why do I need iron availble at such alkaline pH? I shouldn't be running that high anyway.

I am glad I bought 6lbs of the previous all essential amino version (at least to my knowlege, no other chelating agents are listed).

One other thing, my one part dosen't have chitin oligonucleotide in it either, but its impossible to confirm without version control lol.
 
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