Hplvd

SCJedi

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I like Dr. Joe a lot. He is local, from my alma mater and a straight shooter. I like that he calls out other TC educators for teaching nodal and "pulling the wool over people's eyes" so to speak. Nodal does not get rid of Hplvd. Can you TC a node that doesn't have it? Yep. Does nodal eliminate it? Nope. You MUST do meristem to eliminate it and preferably with temp treatments first. Test in, test out, test often. Period.
 
Might have been mentioned or in one of the vids, but wanted to throw out there the obvious that cured material infected by pathogens like hplvd, tmv etc... is something often overlooked, perfectly healthy looking assymptomatic plants and cures that are infected, buying or being gifted herb, or maybe think they can grow out a plant infected on its own somewhere quarantined from everything else because it's so special to you (just dont). that stuff gets put in the same grinder you touch daily, gets on your fingers, on your phone, keyboard, mouse. So I guess i'm getting at less direct factors of spread that are pretty serious, also putting emphasis on a regimen for sterilizing whatever items you tend to use when ingesting cannabis as well and the things you interact with when doing so (phones, controller, tea cup whatever). watch those casual stem rubs.

I did HEAR that not all seeds apparently will be infected by exposure, something like 20 percent or less will have it, and you can breed for asymptomatic type resistance within that 20 percent but it's not true resistance. but I want feedback so I prefer my plants let me know something bad is amiss, otherwise every new introduction to the garden becomes a long ass project of its own and your really just stuck with playing with those...or you can't really pinpoint what new introduction may have triggered others to be your "first" when really it was the second or third infected. I like being able to test new things out all the time and not worry. So much money in hplvd testing right now among the snake oils out there as mentioned, shady happenings in the business of proprietaries and gene mods... allot of people working with it in their gardens right now that have no clue

Wouldn't ever have all plants tested if suspected (that's a deep pocket) maybe just one that's been around longest so in a way has been a lure and most likely exposed, or of course anything with obvious symptoms or precious. Fresh wipe if pos, cognizant of all things in your library stock, possible seeds or packs touched during that period etc.. If there was something valuable enough, get a tissue culture of for a meristem cleanup. I treat the seed vault the same as a razor blade between cuts , just get a new/clean set of seed handling tools for each vial from different plants/breeders, gloved up. its ocd but I don't even grow out seeds from different vials together with others for a good while, nothing shares a drain pan until it's been vetted through a harvest but testing is really the only safe way it's just so pricey and can be snakey right now (i personally feel like)+ you have to ship things... If you are a breeder putting gear out there to people then definitely better be testing in/out the whole library, and having you're own means to test cheap without shipping anything is more ideal... qPCR kits I last checked are like 50 tests for 500 clams. A clone library of like 100 mommas would be about $800-1000 to qPCR..
 
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Chunky Stool

Plant Destroyer
I have been using the same soil outside for a decade. Cover crop, A lil amending, some EWC and compost and away we go.
I generally do a 50/50 mix of old & new soil, but if the old soil is contaminated with hplvd, the problem will never go away.

Then again, I am not really sure how durable the viroid actually is.
Covid-19 could only live for a few days on surfaces.

Maybe just letting the pots dry out completely will kill it???
I really don't know... 😬
 
I feel like it's not as bad as mosaic in terms of lifespan, which can stick around for decades indoors/certain environments, but outdoors I feel like it can fade away with a few crop rotations of unaffected species of plants/native weeds or nothing at all.. still wouldn't risk it if I did get positives on plants for mosaic and have to throw out soil into the yard, wouldn't mix with my compost, id give it its own little spot to sit two winters then be planted in outdoors, wouldn't risk bringing it back inside or planting anything in it that would come inside. But with hplvd I think the lifespan is not so long, honestly I have no idea. Mosaic is something that can go around here and have had it long ago at another residence, but never seen in my garden here, but hplvd i've never had personal experience with but seems more aggressive in spread, I just take precautions after the mosaic experience and would honestly probably mistake it for mosaic if I did get it and it'd be treated the same

if I had to reuse a plastic pot it'd be for another plant like veggies or something and i'd sterilize it with a soak in bleach / spray with slow evaporating bleach...but that's why I prefer metal everything, metal pots, trays.... easy to hellfire. I have fabric stuff and it's not something I think I could sterilize unless I had a giant pressure cooker. That's with mosaic though, I don't know about getting away with reusing plastic pots with cannabis after sterilizing, worth testing but not a whole garden of them...unless you know it works, I am too paranoid. it's why I love outdoor gardening the most without pots right in the ground, wish my summers were longer!
 
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I'm curious if darkhorse nursery pinpointed a set date in time of when it began with them (not when it was noticed), was it in their stock for a long time being bred by them unaware, was a lot of their stock indoors/out originally... I know you can bring it outdoors/vice versa for sure but it usually pops up mostly indoors right? from pest pressure and no diversity/competition as with outdoor biodynamics, or infected seed, contact etc. but really it shouldn't be outside i'm getting but does exist outside, unless in a particular microclimate that is very stagnant/overcrowded and such?
 
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Chunky Stool

Plant Destroyer
I'm curious if darkhorse nursery pinpointed a set date in time of when it began with them (not when it was noticed), was it in their stock for a long time being bred by them unaware, was a lot of their stock indoors/out originally... I know you can bring it outdoors/vice versa for sure but it usually pops up mostly indoors right? from pest pressure and no diversity/competition as with outdoor biodynamics, or infected seed, contact etc. but really it shouldn't be outside i'm getting but does exist outside, unless in a particular microclimate that is very stagnant/overcrowded and such?
I have not heard anything about whether there's a preference for indoor vs outdoor.
I do both, but my outdoor plants are in pots that can be moved with a hand truck if necessary. (usually not)

If plants can actually be infected by insects like thrips, the best defense is a good offense -- high brix.
I have turkey bags of bud that just ain't right and I don't know why. It's decent, but not dank. I assumed that I cured it wrong... maybe put in jars too soon?

who the fuck knows

This is why I start lots of seeds...
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