PTJ's 4-gallon pot R&D thread

pwnytailjoe

Come As You Are
What is it?

It's a first of it's kind, seed-to-harvest, (organic)herbal-medicine growing kit.
The kit includes everything a new grower needs to get started growing herbal medicine minus the grow light, fans and space to grow it.


Who is it for?

The kit is designed with the new grower in mind as a simple, easy-to-use introduction to organic gardening.
People with limited-abilities might also find this kit beneficial as it does not require a lot of input from the user.
Simplicity is key here.
As long as the grower can meet basic environmental requirements, they should be able to produce quality medicine that rivals or surpasses the quality of medicine that is available to them commercially for a fraction of the cost, not to mention the self-satisfaction that comes with producing your own herbal medicine.
Ultimately, it's for anyone that wants to give it a go, from experienced growers, to older growers with limited mobility, but it is a basic kit designed for the new grower with limited or no experience in plant growing.

What's in the kit?

Right now the kit consists of herbal seeds(Dino Part Chucks for the trial), a custom 4-gallon pot, medium, fertilizer, biodegradable measuring spoon, trimming scissors, plant identification marker, and a feeding chart.
The production kit(PK) will include a different pot than the one enclosed and this kit comes with no instructions other than the feed chart whereas the PK will include a basic but concise set of directions as well as some growing tips.


Why this thread?

While I'm confident that this product is extremely simple to use and will consistently produce quality medicine, I need examples of this in the "wild" to demonstrate efficacy of claims.
That's where you might possibly lend a hand.
I have 10 kits assembled and ready to ship. I need 10 people willing to volunteer their time and space to trial this product so I may make any necessary adjustments before going to market.

If you're willing to participate:
I am asking for the majority of shipping costs to be covered by participants, I've averaged this to one quarter of a Benjamin.
we can cover details in private message. any communication after will take place via email

You will be asked to participate in two
questionnaires, one after receiving the package, and one after completing the grow.

I need at least 1(one) veg picture and 1(one) picture in late flower but feel free to post as many pictures as you wish.

The kit needs to be started by no later than September, 2023.
This is limited to United States participants only.

Again, there are no instructions, just a feed chart to follow. Other than that, the grower is left on their own as to what, if any, IPM they choose to institute, when to harvest, pH input water, etc..


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Things I am looking for:


?Breeders willing to supply 3-pack fems and/or autoflowers. Depending on the success of this endeavor, I'm looking to do runs of approximately 50-100 packs with a focus on contrasting terpene profiles rather than "popular" strain names. There's a lot I'm still trying to figure out in regards to this part but hmu anyway if it sounds like something

?Anyone that has advertising or marketing experience so I can pick your brain.


Super huge thanks to @Dino Party for the boost of over-confidence to get this going and for donating the seeds for the trial run.
Shout out to @RookieBuds for reinforcing that over-confidence
And thanks to everyone for an awesome community


Grab one before they're gone ✌️ and hmu in the comments if you have any ?'s
 

RookieBuds

In Bloom
Fantastic work, man! I'm excited to try this for the "organic" reason; I currently grow "synthetic" and have always reached great results for myself. Running one of these as a test for you will sort of force my hand to try organics, which i have been excited to do indoors (I do grow veggies and herbs outside with natural inputs & all the beneficial critters that go along with it, and some of the bad ones too)

I'll keep a slot open on my next run(s) (y)(y)
 

Hitch

Perpetual Amateur
Hey brother, great idea. I wish I could participate, but I’m all planned out until summer shutdown. Can I ask a couple questions anyway? Besides that one ?

What the medium? What’s in the dry nutes? On your feed chart, what do you consider week one…the week after sprout? Are you counting on flipping after four weeks of veg? From a logistics standpoint, is it not all too heavy for economical shipping, say…across the country? Finally, I’m kind of curious about the concise instructions and tips you mention…love to see them when you have them.

Sorry so many questions and I’m sure I have more… feel free not to answer ?
 
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pwnytailjoe

Come As You Are
reposting to make legible for dark mode users since it displays weirdly for some reason.


What is it?

It's a first of it's kind, seed-to-harvest, (organic)herbal-medicine growing kit.
The kit includes everything a new grower needs to get started growing herbal medicine minus the grow light, fans and space to grow it.

Who is it for?

The kit is designed with the new grower in mind as a simple, easy-to-use introduction to organic gardening.
People with limited-abilities might also find this kit beneficial as it does not require a lot of input from the user.
Simplicity is key here.
As long as the grower can meet basic environmental requirements, they should be able to produce quality medicine that rivals or surpasses the quality of medicine that is available to them commercially for a fraction of the cost, not to mention the self-satisfaction that comes with producing your own herbal medicine.
Ultimately, it's for anyone that wants to give it a go, from experienced growers, to older growers with limited mobility, but it is a basic kit designed for the new grower with limited or no experience in plant growing.

What's in the kit?

Right now the kit consists of herbal seeds(Dino Part Chucks for the trial), a custom 4-gallon pot, medium, fertilizer, biodegradable measuring spoon, trimming scissors, plant identification marker, and a feeding chart.
The production kit(PK) will include a different pot than the one enclosed and this kit comes with no instructions other than the feed chart whereas the PK will include a basic but concise set of directions as well as some growing tips.


Why this thread?

While I'm confident that this product is extremely simple to use and will consistently produce quality medicine, I need examples of this in the "wild" to demonstrate efficacy of claims.
That's where you might possibly lend a hand.
I have 10 kits assembled and ready to ship. I need 10 people willing to volunteer their time and space to trial this product so I may make any necessary adjustments before going to market.

If you're willing to participate:
I am asking for the majority of shipping costs to be covered by participants, I've averaged this to one quarter of a Benjamin.

we can cover details in private message. any communication after will take place via email

You will be asked to participate in two questionnaires, one after receiving the package, and one after completing the grow.

I need at least 1(one) veg picture and 1(one) picture in late flower but feel free to post as many pictures as you wish.

The kit needs to be started by no later than September, 2023.
This is limited to United States participants only.

Again, there are no instructions, just a feed chart to follow. Other than that, the grower is left on their own as to what, if any, IPM they choose to institute, when to harvest, pH input water, etc..




Things I am looking for:

?Breeders willing to supply 3-pack fems and/or autoflowers. Depending on the success of this endeavor, I'm looking to do runs of approximately 50-100 packs with a focus on contrasting terpene profiles rather than "popular" strain names. There's a lot I'm still trying to figure out in regards to this part but hmu anyway if it sounds like something

?Anyone that has advertising or marketing experience so I can pick your brain.
 

pwnytailjoe

Come As You Are
Hey brother, great idea. I wish I could participate, but I’m all planned out until summer shutdown. Can I ask a couple questions anyway? Besides that one ?

What the medium? What’s in the dry nutes? On your feed chart, what do you consider week one…the week after sprout? Are you counting on flipping after four weeks of veg? From a logistics standpoint, is it not all too heavy for economical shipping, say…across the country? Finally, I’m kind of curious about the concise instructions and tips you mention…love to see them when you have them.

Sorry so many questions and I’m sure I have more… feel free not to answer ?

Everything included is the same that I am using. Promix/Dr. Earth. I haven't invented anything new here, I'm just repacking others product into a nice little kit.

I've been the rounds with people that count days in veg, I never have. Theoretically, I feel the count starts at germination, when the cotyledons break the soil. Yes, Flip 4-6 weeks after veg.

Remember, this is for new growers or people that haven't grown because of the "mystery" behind the plant. The goal here is to get them started growing in a way that has little in terms of road bumps. In theory, they would have a 2x2 or 3x3. Enough for themselves. until a next harvest should they choose to go that route.

Shipping: The total package weighs about 9 pounds and comes in a 10x10x10 box. It is rather expensive to ship but I don't see that being an issue if I make it to production. I also have some tricks up my sleeve to reduce those costs.

Here's some things that have guided me recently.
California Hot Soil, available on Amazon.... around the same price point, But you get all that extra junk and it only has enough medium for 2 pots and you don't get herbal beans with the deal because maybe not-so-obvious reasons.
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Epic Gardening has 3.8 cu.ft. organic straw.... seems like a good price? I'm convinced if someone will pay that, then there's a couple people that will buy my kit at roughly the same price point.

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Thanks for checking it out. BTW, while I'd like to get these going asap, I realize people will be shutting down indoor. That's why the "start by September"

Keep the questions rolling and I'll get you those instructions but the final ones will have graphics included and those aren't finished until I come up with more $$$ to pay my artist.
 

pwnytailjoe

Come As You Are
Fantastic work, man! I'm excited to try this for the "organic" reason; I currently grow "synthetic" and have always reached great results for myself. Running one of these as a test for you will sort of force my hand to try organics, which i have been excited to do indoors (I do grow veggies and herbs outside with natural inputs & all the beneficial critters that go along with it, and some of the bad ones too)

I'll keep a slot open on my next run(s) (y)(y)
Just be aware, I've had gnat issues both times but not because the gnats are coming from the product like the alleged Fox Farms fiasco, just an extraordinary extraordinarily ridiculous amount around here and they find their way in. Keep the paint strainers in mind or another similar technique if you plan on doing something like this.
 

RookieBuds

In Bloom
Just be aware, I've had gnat issues both times but not because the gnats are coming from the product like the alleged Fox Farms fiasco, just an extraordinary extraordinarily ridiculous amount around here and they find their way in. Keep the paint strainers in mind or another similar technique if you plan on doing something like this.
I thought you got a burst of gnats when you added worm castings or some backyard compost or something. .??

For the most part I keep my grow space SUPER clean, so I'm minimally concerned about pests and especially if I just stick to the program and don't add crazy organic inputs. . .??
 

pwnytailjoe

Come As You Are
I thought you got a burst of gnats when you added worm castings or some backyard compost or something. .??

For the most part I keep my grow space SUPER clean, so I'm minimally concerned about pests and especially if I just stick to the program and don't add crazy organic inputs. . .??
The organic material is attracting them. The hay-mulch made it worse the first time because the top of the medium stayed moist enough for them to constantly thrive. The mosquito dunks you gave me worked but my biggest issue was getting the run-off I needed to saturate the entire medium. And beyond that, once I get rid of them, there are more to take their place. Part of the problem there is a dog that lets itself in from the backyard and if no one is standing there, the door will stay open until someone closes it. All kinds of pests are coming in that way.
If I could decorate the living room and den with fly-strips it probably wouldn't be as much of an issue but gotta play with the hand I was dealt.
You'll probably have better luck.
 

Hitch

Perpetual Amateur
Everything included is the same that I am using. Promix/Dr. Earth. I haven't invented anything new here, I'm just repacking others product into a nice little kit.

I've been the rounds with people that count days in veg, I never have. Theoretically, I feel the count starts at germination, when the cotyledons break the soil. Yes, Flip 4-6 weeks after veg.

Remember, this is for new growers or people that haven't grown because of the "mystery" behind the plant. The goal here is to get them started growing in a way that has little in terms of road bumps. In theory, they would have a 2x2 or 3x3. Enough for themselves. until a next harvest should they choose to go that route.

Shipping: The total package weighs about 9 pounds and comes in a 10x10x10 box. It is rather expensive to ship but I don't see that being an issue if I make it to production. I also have some tricks up my sleeve to reduce those costs.

Here's some things that have guided me recently.
California Hot Soil, available on Amazon.... around the same price point, But you get all that extra junk and it only has enough medium for 2 pots and you don't get herbal beans with the deal because maybe not-so-obvious reasons.
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Epic Gardening has 3.8 cu.ft. organic straw.... seems like a good price? I'm convinced if someone will pay that, then there's a couple people that will buy my kit at roughly the same price point.

View attachment 166655


Thanks for checking it out. BTW, while I'd like to get these going asap, I realize people will be shutting down indoor. That's why the "start by September"

Keep the questions rolling and I'll get you those instructions but the final ones will have graphics included and those aren't finished until I come up with more $$$ to pay my artist.
Thank you for the thorough response. I recognize this is directed at the beginner but was just curious what you were putting into everything. I will keep an eye out here to see how you progress in terms of participation... In case you still have need closer to September. Basically what Roz said lol.

Ps. Fungus gnats don't scare me. I use Coast of Maine which comes with 1000 free fungus gnats with every purchase. Fungus gnats are my bitch, I crush their asses.

New soil:
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2 weeks later
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Hawkman

High as a Hawk
I thought you got a burst of gnats when you added worm castings or some backyard compost or something. .??

For the most part I keep my grow space SUPER clean, so I'm minimally concerned about pests and especially if I just stick to the program and don't add crazy organic inputs. . .??
have had many say the they came from worm casting from companies -- user beware !
 

pwnytailjoe

Come As You Are
Ps. Fungus gnats don't scare me. I use Coast of Maine which comes with 1000 free fungus gnats with every purchase. Fungus gnats are my bitch, I crush their asses.
I've got more if you run out ?
They weren't much of an issue at the other place. You literally can't take a step here without one flying in your mouth.
have had many say the they came from worm casting from companies -- user beware !
I've tried incubating them from the compost, castings, and peat and got nothing. I'm positive mine are finding their way in from outside. Hell, even in the dead of winter there were a few still flying around.
 

Ramjet159

pHeno pHisher
Just be aware, I've had gnat issues both times but not because the gnats are coming from the product like the alleged Fox Farms fiasco, just an extraordinary extraordinarily ridiculous amount around here and they find their way in. Keep the paint strainers in mind or another similar technique if you plan on doing something like this.
I was talking to my engineer on our shift yesterday and he was saying ( had to tell me like 3 times because he’s Indian and at times difficult to understand lol ) he found the glue they use on those insect strips online and now he just buys yellow coffee mugs and paints them with the glue then uses solvent to remove once full of gnats etc and re coats again .
He’s a pretty resourceful type , typical of most engineers .
Even put a solenoid switch on his chicken coop with timer to let his chicken in and out every day lol . Again typical engineer
 

pwnytailjoe

Come As You Are
Hey Joe just out of curiosity, you recommending direct germination in soil for your project?

And are you giving 3 packs of beans just in case of germination issues?

Also which Dino you doin?

Plus Friday bump.

Direct sow, paper towel, or glass-o-water.
I originally intended to include a peat pot to germinate in but nixed that idea after being unhappy with results from both the 2 & 3" ones.
I personally prefer paper towel but have been using g-o-w to mixed results.

I intend to include 1-pack of three beans ?, fems and/or autos. I also want to have an outdoor version with possibly a 7-gallon pot.
I'll run over basic intentions in a PM when I shoot you the directions outline.

This group is Midsicle. I can't express enough how grateful I am to Dino for providing those.

Gracias
 
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