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[DopeDaniel]

March 14


March 16
The yellowing seems to have stopped, NH6 amd 8 leaves seem less curled, what won't come through in the pics is the smell. It is unworkable, my nose says its bad bacteria.

If this doesn't improve, I am going to pull the ferti nitro, super k fulvate and tm-7 from the res and do daily top waterings in the evening and eliminate the 1st nightime cycle.

 

[Frimpong]

March 14
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March 16
View attachment 57987 View attachment 57988 The yellowing seems to have stopped, NH6 amd 8 leaves seem less curled, what won't come through in the pics is the smell. It is unworkable, my nose says its bad bacteria.

If this doesn't improve, I am going to pull the ferti nitro, super k fulvate and tm-7 from the res and do daily top waterings in the evening and eliminate the 1st nightime cycle.

Man that is a giant wild beast if a plant . U can tell she wants to stack.

 

[DopeDaniel]

Man that is a giant wild beast if a plant . U can tell she wants to stack.

Hopefully I haven't borked it too bad, belive the label in description of grow difficulty, says something like advanced to expert growers.
It is likely to be one of the 16+week phenos. They are at day 74 of 12/12 from seed, its just getting started on flowering. Some of the others will start coming down in 3 weeks or so, seeds should be ready by then.

Edit - everything in those 2 trays is the same age.

 

[DopeDaniel]

pH is still rising in the big res but it doesn't smell as bad. Leaving the TM-7, Ferti nitro and super k in the bucket mix, it didn't go as far south and was quicker to correct. Going to use more chlorine and not pH it up to 8. The cement tub is due in a couple days if this works well on the bucket I'll do the same on it, otherwise I'll try the once daily top watering.

 

[DopeDaniel]

The 5 gallon Honey Sundae bucket was changed today.

After the initial rocky start (first 5 days or so) of pH/smell issues it did settle down and the res smelled like clean soil and roots.

Not pHing the ferti nitro / tm7 mix to 8 held the part a mix at 6.0-6.1 until cal nit/CaCl was added, dropping it to 5.5. I let the tm7 disolve @80F for about 36 hours then added predisolved FN and let mix overnight. Also disolved the super k fulvate seperately. Both mixes were hit with 2x what would be a standard dose of hypochlorite for the final 6 gallon volume (4x normal dose). Hoping this avoids the troubles on the first go round. We'll see what it smells like in the morning.

 

[DopeDaniel]

Oh yeah, action on every hole except one CnC f2.

Did them all tap root or pointy end up to see if it helped helmuting and even though 3/4 hw1 x cnc didn't play along, they had to be cracked you might be able to see where I cut a coty too, the rest all popped up free. A couple took some reworking / reburrying cause the tap root was going all kinds of wrong ways.

 

[DopeDaniel]

Action in every hole and there's no stink!









(see posts 646 & 645 for context)

 

[Buck5050]

Action in every hole and there's no stink!

 

[DopeDaniel]

Cement tub res change was a fail.

Gorilla Blues taking it the worst, lthe youngest skunky d seems least affected at this point.

The ratios weren't any different than the bucket but the mix was cloudy from the point of adding the fertinitro. I know I did some things different procedurally so will hit reset but not sure these will make it as I don't have the water to spare for a res change right now. Swing and a mis.

 

[DopeDaniel]

Dr. Bronner's was used as a surfactant for both, however the 30ml dose for the bucket was diluted in about 4 gal prior to addition of ferti nitiro. I think I erroneously doubled this ammount strictly because I was making twice as much, not realizing I was still using the same roughly 4 gal volume for mixing up the "part a". Gonna skip the surfactants next time.

 

[DopeDaniel]

Skunky D @65 days and Gorilla Blues @52 days ain't comin back.
Skunky D

Gorilla Blues


KILLIN' it.

Skunky D's in early flower (4 and 5 weeks)

-not dead yet.

Will probably pull a few beans from each plant then toss them in the freezer for another run at fresh frozen.

 

[DopeDaniel]

Update copied from NH preservation thread.
I think it is the ferti nitro plus - hydrolyzed soy protien that did not interact well with the sterile res. because it is not sterile. Might work better with bennies but none of those 3 products (TM-7, FNP or super k fulvate) are intended for hydro.

I am mixing up what was intended to be the res change and after disolving the TM7 I decanted the solids (after they settled) then added the FNP and chlorine. Allowed that to go overnight and predisolved the super k fulvate, I made the super K fulvate a >3% peroxide solution by adding just over 120ml 34% peroxide to just under a Liter. There was no observed reaction of the peroxide to the skf but when that solution was added to the TM7FNP boy howdy. It took about 5 seconds but and I though I created "The Blob". Luckily it did not escape the bucket, that mix is settling now and I will use it for the skunky d and GorillaBlues that got the last bad batch. Might source different aminos if this attempt "fails" too.

 

[Buck5050]

What a ride this has been so far. I can see your getting closer to figuring out the mix. It's also getting closer to getting back out on that porch scoping the valley. Keep grinding SS ?

 

[DopeDaniel]

What a ride this has been so far. I can see your getting closer to figuring out the mix. It's also getting closer to getting back out on that porch scoping the valley. Keep grinding SS ?

Jars are full so slaughtering a few plants at this point is no big deal. I quietly mixed up some soil a couple weeks ago and will be running female cuts of the NH and most new seedlings that way.

Although this last res change doesn't smell, it certainly isn't the answer. Next step is salts only in res and top water a rotation of tm7/skf/fnp. Ultimately, that's not sustainable for me, so I will probably use them separately on the soil plants. I have seen some other products (aminos and minerals) and will probably try them soon, but not sure how much hydro I will run this summer.

 

[DopeDaniel]

Got cought up on a bunch of theeads and want to comment on pests as they seem to be going around. Its spring time they are looking for happy places and your garden is one of them.

If you think you are fighting thrips (@MO_Grow iirc?) act like you have mites. Vinerate, grandevo and a knockout treatment or 2, and rotate. @AlienAthena when I had russets I never saw one, only the eggs, and they affected each plant differently. Sulfur is used in a vaporizer - be careful with this too much will really cook plants. Duration, temperature and amount of sulfur are important, trial runs not in the grow would be advised until you get the hang. If the sulfur runs out during the burn you end up with sulfuric acid. Don't use after or in combo with oils like neem.

The common thing with the russets for me was how they affected armor leaves - folded and kinked and budsite development @GthaEnigma knows.

@BH (Thought we lost you @BurnedHaze wasn't autopopulating) has his shit on a stick with IPM, and documents it well.

I am taking my ipm interval from 14 days down to 10 today and will go to weekly once I start putting plants outside.

@Buck5050 that latest res mix is actually looking real good, plants look like they aren't actively dying atleast and the extra I solution I have stored still smells pristine. Was it anarobic bacteria or one chlorine was not effective on? The peroxide will be added earlier on, perhaps when premixing ferti nitro plus. I dont wat to go too hard on it - peroxide is used for metals treatment (iron) in mining waste to make insoluble ions of disoolved metals.

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[DopeDaniel]

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Ooops accidentally hit post .

If I have the smell issue resolved now I need to work on ratios. I almost culled these 2 plants now I am glad I didn't. Will get pics later.

 

[DopeDaniel]

Alternative means of using sulfur would be to buy/make wettable sulfur.

This recepie is derrived from an article written in 1910 for california almond growers. Real hide glue is made from horses btw.

 

[BH]

Got cought up on a bunch of theeads and want to comment on pests as they seem to be going around. Its spring time they are looking for happy places and your garden is one of them.

If you think you are fighting thrips (@MO_Grow iirc?) act like you have mites. Vinerate, grandevo and a knockout treatment or 2, and rotate. @AlienAthena when I had russets I never saw one, only the eggs, and they affected each plant differently. Sulfur is used in a vaporizer - be careful with this too much will really cook plants. Duration, temperature and amount of sulfur are important, trial runs not in the grow would be advised until you get the hang. If the sulfur runs out during the burn you end up with sulfuric acid. Don't use after or in combo with oils like neem.

The common thing with the russets for me was how they affected armor leaves - folded and kinked and budsite development @GthaEnigma knows.

@BH (Thought we lost you @BurnedHaze wasn't autopopulating) has his shit on a stick with IPM, and documents it well.

I am taking my ipm interval from 14 days down to 10 today and will go to weekly once I start putting plants outside.

@Buck5050 that latest res mix is actually looking real good, plants look like they aren't actively dying atleast and the extra I solution I have stored still smells pristine. Was it anarobic bacteria or one chlorine was not effective on? The peroxide will be added earlier on, perhaps when premixing ferti nitro plus. I dont wat to go too hard on it - peroxide is used for metals treatment (iron) in mining waste to make insoluble ions of disoolved metals.

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nah I’m still here , just figured since everyone calls me Bh , why have that long goofy name


to get started on battling and ipm for russets (just woke up and if I tried to write a how to or helpful tips , def sound like I’m drunk lol)

good video on explains prevention , explaining how to spot them and some good biocontrol products to battle em

I’ll explain later

 

[DopeDaniel]

That vid spawned an idea for how to treat ferti nitro plus - heat pasturization. I got it for the aminos which iirc L-aminos don't degrade 'till something like 450F.

In the meantime, there is no bad odor and no slime in the res and I am going back to every other day chlorine trearments. It has been pH stable with only a slight ppm increase, while using about a gallon.


The HoneySundae in the bucket did need pH'd down

The stock solution looks and smells good too.

 

[Jewels]

hide glue is made from horses

From the knacker.
I knew of a rendering plant in the 80's. My parents called it "the glue factory" Pads and pads of horses. Beautiful, yet macabre.
Probly more accurately "the Jell-o factory" now.