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OldG
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thrip damage for sure. I have a hate hate relationship with them.
The gg tomahawk is showing all 3 leaves here too so far. Looks pretty much like the one in your pics. The other three clones have really taken well to their new home and look happy as can be. The HS ones having the same growth patterns that the 3 from seed have. Was gonna do some dosing of one of the GG plants with some K and see if that brightens her up. When they were still in the 4" pots I did a micro foliar that did nothing, epsom foliar also no results, and cal mag in the soil seems to have had no effect.
So on with the process of elimination we go.
Nothing I've done has made her unhappy, still showing slow improvement, but still looks kinda sad like she's wanting something more than what she's got. I'll give her a bit more time since the up potting, and see how she is with another day or two before the next watering.
I'm still not getting a definite ID on the sex of those HS yet, was sure trying to last night with the magnifier. Two of em have some little nubs that I can't tell well enough yet, but am leaning towards them being males due to round shape that they have at the tip. Again though I'm really not sure yet. Those two are the stinkiest of the group. The third one is really hiding the sex parts from me that I have no idea at all, other than not matching the others with nubbins growing on. lol. This 3rd one is also the least stinky of them, but thats like saying this foot smells worse than my other one. lmfao.
They were all three fimmed and then topped awhile back to promote undergrowth for clone taking purposes, and I'd likely blame that, or the 2 liter pots theyre' still in for the extra slow sexing they're having. They're 7 weeks today from breaking ground, and have had a rank as smell since 1 inch tall. Mmmmmm for stinky plants.........
Do you remember how long it took yours to show identifiable sex parts? And the one from you has a nice similar stink to these other ones, in strength and smell.
Smelly good plants seem to run strong in their genes.
Got 3 left pm me an addy.
Things might get a bit ugly round here late flower may have to all come down.
Pretty sure I flipped before they showed, may have been as early as 4th node. Agreed topping maybe delaying the show. Getting the undergrowth to break through is tough, she dosent want to reach out from under the top. I have found just letting her go an hide the sidebranching until you can't stand it any more, then top and strip the water leaves. She is a painfully slow vegger.
Buck5050
Underground Chucker
The mother came from the Gold pack which was from Dankonics. I chatted with him about it and he mentioned using the GG4 cut that won the Michigan Cup and later confirmed authenticity with Josey before he passed.
Culled Skunky VA and ak47 x vanilla gorilla to far into flower to fight, not far enough for me to want to harvest anything off them. Thought about making hash but decided to compost them, we'll see if I come to regret that decision but for now the Grove bags are full. At least I will be able to harvest a TTLT this morning, will start the rebuilding process this weekend. Need to treat all stored soil, quarrantine and treat the soil from recently harvested/culled. @JL2G If you decide to nuke those cuts I'll replace them when I am clean.
Pretty sure I've got them under control, but they can stay in quarantine a bit longer just to be safe. They're happy with being in the overflow tent, and I haven't seen anything on them to raise a flag. I'll give em all a hit with the Final Stop just for shit's and giggles, and any bugs/eggs present can just up and die from it. lmfao.
I can hold on to those clones til you get all reset too, do what ya gotta do mang. Also side note with the unexpected culling, if you need some smoke, or do down the road, happy to donate to the cause. I've got more than plenty to pass around, its just gonna end up sitting on a shelf if someone doesn't smoke it. lol.
Gonna do a 2nd round of spino root drenches and do a foliar application at that time too. I have another week and a half until I hit week 3 on TTLT given here quicker finish thats when I'll stop silica and the nasties and continue with dr. Bronner's and yucca and fulvic.
TTLT thrip poop
Not positive what the white specs are but pretty sure the black spots are thrip poop.
These buggers have been building under my nose, dealing with a Mg def had them camoflauged closer inspection on the ak x vg and skva showed evidence they been hangin round here for a minute. Gonna make some adjustmts to how I handle the season change too like using a knockout spray after first frost, Halloween chop clean amd reset after heat treatmemt. Kickin myself too cause I been lax on spraying my feet and other entry protocols. What's the I in IPM stand for again?
TTLT thrip poop
Not positive what the white specs are but pretty sure the black spots are thrip poop.
Heck with where you're at with nature right on your doorstep I'd do a perimeter spray down of the house, and surrounding areas with that final stop we'd chatted about. It hooks to the hose, so easy peasy, dog n people safe too. Ill even give you a bottle to check out. Lol.
Picked a couple bottles of it up on a fall clearance sale just recent like.
So did a bunch of leaf scoping on those clones, and found nothing on them except some foliar residues from me and likely you too. Lol.
Checked out the flower room as well while I had the stuff out. Nothing on them showing either.
However when I scoped the soil of the clones this is what I found, not so cute little baby thrips.
There's two of them in the pic, had to check a fair number of spots, but there they were.
Mixed up a strong bottle of the Final Stop, and hosed them down working it under all the leaves. Soaked it all good.
Sprayed the soil well like a drench too, super saturated with it. Then did a spinosad tx for the soil in addition to the hosing.
I'll look again tomorrow and see if there's any survivors.
I'll check out the veg room later when it's woken up, again just to be safe. Lol.
And if I find something, well I'll kill it too. ???
Checked out the flower room as well while I had the stuff out. Nothing on them showing either.
However when I scoped the soil of the clones this is what I found, not so cute little baby thrips.
There's two of them in the pic, had to check a fair number of spots, but there they were.
Mixed up a strong bottle of the Final Stop, and hosed them down working it under all the leaves. Soaked it all good.
Sprayed the soil well like a drench too, super saturated with it. Then did a spinosad tx for the soil in addition to the hosing.
I'll look again tomorrow and see if there's any survivors.
I'll check out the veg room later when it's woken up, again just to be safe. Lol.
And if I find something, well I'll kill it too. ???
Where Blowes or Home Poopo?
Been allowing everything to dry out so I can give a good spino tx tomorrow am. Nice pic with the scope I can't get shit centerend AND in focus lol.
Lowes is where I found it on sale.
chiefer888
In Bloom
I’m intrigued by these things. I like to do a little bending, let us know how they work for you.
Brokehoe
CHOOSE YOUR TITLE
Do they sell them. I was gonna purchase some and would love to support your bro.
Some people do, the printer/software will even track the cost per piece but my buddy is in it for his artwork, it feels exorbitant the amount that would need to be charged for him to make it worth his while for what it is. Profesional services would be way more cost effective and cad files for the clips are free to download as is the software to generate/modify them tinkercad pretty sure is what its called.
He's gonna work on some different angle ones, the onea he printed from the free file I downloaded worked fine, the radiused large size being my favorite.
Phylloscape foliar (been misspelling it)
Used 0.25 - 1.25ml/L following the flower week one feed reccomendations except I accidentally put in a little extra iron. They don't use Mg or K when Ca or P are used. I used the NFTG yucca and thinking about it now I probably should have used more than 0.5ml as their's is a powder and probably more concentrated, I use1.25ml/L normally.
They need to figure something out with the the Cu, the eyedropper is worthless for dispensing it, it can't suck it up no matter how warm you get it (staying within their 60 - 80 F room temp. I ended up just sticking the end of a plastic fork in there, Cu is one of the 0.25 ml/L ingredients. Also, for the scale they geared it for (500 - 1000 sq. ft.) the eyedropper would be worthless for the ingredients that require (Fe goes up to 7ml/gal) the dropper can only suck up at most 1ml. IDk I could see someone like @BH who would use 2-3 gal going "was that 15 or 16?" They spent too much trying to make the package look good, no fewer than 3 typos on their gold on black feed chart
Full on just SWAG'd (Scientifically based Wild Ass Guess) the dry ingredients.
Used 0.25 - 1.25ml/L following the flower week one feed reccomendations except I accidentally put in a little extra iron. They don't use Mg or K when Ca or P are used. I used the NFTG yucca and thinking about it now I probably should have used more than 0.5ml as their's is a powder and probably more concentrated, I use1.25ml/L normally.
They need to figure something out with the the Cu, the eyedropper is worthless for dispensing it, it can't suck it up no matter how warm you get it (staying within their 60 - 80 F room temp. I ended up just sticking the end of a plastic fork in there, Cu is one of the 0.25 ml/L ingredients. Also, for the scale they geared it for (500 - 1000 sq. ft.) the eyedropper would be worthless for the ingredients that require (Fe goes up to 7ml/gal) the dropper can only suck up at most 1ml. IDk I could see someone like @BH who would use 2-3 gal going "was that 15 or 16?" They spent too much trying to make the package look good, no fewer than 3 typos on their gold on black feed chart
Full on just SWAG'd (Scientifically based Wild Ass Guess) the dry ingredients.
That indoor temp is actually the cold frame, fire was goin prolly mid to high 70s as "room temp"
BH
Tha Dank Hoarder
Phylloscape foliar (been misspelling it)
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Used 0.25 - 1.25ml/L following the flower week one feed reccomendations except I accidentally put in a little extra iron. They don't use Mg or K when Ca or P are used. I used the NFTG yucca and thinking about it now I probably should have used more than 0.5ml as their's is a powder and probably more concentrated, I use1.25ml/L normally.
They need to figure something out with the the Cu, the eyedropper is worthless for dispensing it, it can't suck it up no matter how warm you get it (staying within their 60 - 80 F room temp. I ended up just sticking the end of a plastic fork in there, Cu is one of the 0.25 ml/L ingredients. Also, for the scale they geared it for (500 - 1000 sq. ft.) the eyedropper would be worthless for the ingredients that require (Fe goes up to 7ml/gal) the dropper can only suck up at most 1ml. IDk I could see someone like @BH who would use 2-3 gal going "was that 15 or 16?" They spent too much trying to make the package look good, no fewer than 3 typos on their gold on black feed chart
Full on just SWAG'd (Scientifically based Wild Ass Guess) the dry ingredients.
one of the first thing before investing my grow on something is ask the company , I’m a nerd like that and don’t like to play and waste my cash on fools gold…I’ll do free range info searching first and look at all manuals and reviews and info I can find before talking to a rep /company . Everyone should
I try to make a question list for em . You’d be surprised so many companies their reps know nothing about their product but the small description written or manual and zero to no experience or knowledge on the action and reason why u should use it.
ipm and nutes I try to ask “ has ur company tried higher dosages , if yes what’s the result “ or ask for certain times or issues . What rates or adjustments . Plus I love to have a list of all things I’m using with the product I’m introducing and I try to force em to look at the products if they haven’t head of em to give me a answer more than “test it “
not going to give them questions on material and obvious shit but good lord so many companies they act like their product is going to do so many things but if I ask why or what it really does also action . So many give ya golden ticket ads
many company I vouch for and get my approval for not playing exclusive games meaning they don’t also think u should only use them or it won’t work.
Sorry farming originally wasn’t exclusive to brands to grow a plant .
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Good points those are good ways to evaluate a company's customer service and other operarional tactics but for a product like this will rarely provide deep insight as to whether or not the ingredients in the product will be effective in your situation. Customer reviews are rarely objective, much as I try this one won't be either. I can only provide the critical assessment I need by using the product myself. These ingredients (or similar) can be sourced individually however to get the variety of minerals the container size/cost makes this option the fiscal winner. From there I try to seperate the company from the product they produce then I can go back later and determine if the company's operational idiosyncrasies are worth it, in the case of greenleaf/mega crop they weren't for me.
For products that enter my garden I currently have only 2 requirements, no EDTA/DDHA or other persistent organic pollutant chelating agent/fertilizer ingredient and no horticultural oils (admittedly evaluating my ban on some botanical essential oils though). This product meets those requirements now it is up to me to dermine how to go 'bout implementing or eliminating them.
Every complaint I have with Phylloscape to this point is with the packaging, thier online documentation has been adequate. I bet in 6mo. to a year they revamp it.
I have 2 sets of clones that will be used for evaluation HoneySundae and GG4s1 x Tomahawk. HoneySundae is very intolerant of foliar applications after budset.