Dbear
νεκρόπολις nekropolis
& nuts do form just like that. One day your in the clear the next day it's like, "omg how did I miss THOSE?"
Let's be more careful when making beans
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Manidoo
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When I first began growing with import bagseed I found what true hermaphrodites are the hard way. These though were often split into two sides, one female side and the other side of the plant bearing male floral clusters. These were the typical herm I knew and ran from after culling these over and over. I would also find plants that were heavily mixed with both male and female. These though were never screwey when grown outside with full light and organic living soils.
Fast forward to my earlier years of growing majority wise a lot of Dutch worked genetics alongside the older TGA gear known as Herm prone. These "Herm prone" have never been nothing but a nuisance in comparison with full fledged intersexed plants. Most of these though from my experience are either immature when flowered, stressed by canopies and darkness underneath as well as some really high EC levels from salt buildups and heavy hands. I found that most of these modern herms are just the same as the ones from the fields and these too don't really perform so we'll inside when ran too young and flowered immaturely.
I've found running what I call the gauntlet here with everything I grow and breed inside pays for itself. I have no mercy upon anything when stress runs take place and doing such through years really helped to narrow down the factors that trigger these survival genes through epigenetics.
Ironically I just got a call from my good friend whom is one of the few that we trust and work with and his cry last night was a warning that the Mimosa he's running had thrown anthers in week six after being in light leaks for ten days sadly. Long story short, it's going outside now to fully mature chronologically and physically and I highly doubt that I will find even a stray anther once we let this wild child grow up..
Anyways, I'm going to say that I totally agree with you on the subject, but it's a subject that we truly have a very limited knowledge of until more growers work together and stop pointing fingers at another and really ascess exactly what lines are the problem and how to eliminate these from the indoor pool and outdoor as well if they're totally worthless.
Fast forward to my earlier years of growing majority wise a lot of Dutch worked genetics alongside the older TGA gear known as Herm prone. These "Herm prone" have never been nothing but a nuisance in comparison with full fledged intersexed plants. Most of these though from my experience are either immature when flowered, stressed by canopies and darkness underneath as well as some really high EC levels from salt buildups and heavy hands. I found that most of these modern herms are just the same as the ones from the fields and these too don't really perform so we'll inside when ran too young and flowered immaturely.
I've found running what I call the gauntlet here with everything I grow and breed inside pays for itself. I have no mercy upon anything when stress runs take place and doing such through years really helped to narrow down the factors that trigger these survival genes through epigenetics.
Ironically I just got a call from my good friend whom is one of the few that we trust and work with and his cry last night was a warning that the Mimosa he's running had thrown anthers in week six after being in light leaks for ten days sadly. Long story short, it's going outside now to fully mature chronologically and physically and I highly doubt that I will find even a stray anther once we let this wild child grow up..
Anyways, I'm going to say that I totally agree with you on the subject, but it's a subject that we truly have a very limited knowledge of until more growers work together and stop pointing fingers at another and really ascess exactly what lines are the problem and how to eliminate these from the indoor pool and outdoor as well if they're totally worthless.
I think intersex traits have been unusually common lately but it hasn't been from any gear made by anyone here. And the funny part is I'm actually way more vigilant with strains from here because I know they haven't usually been rigorously tested. Same with testers and freebie packs of any kind. I know I told everyone with my beans that they were germ tested but that's it! The parents didn't show any intersex traits but that doesn't mean it's impossible their kids ever do.
What's frustrating to me is when expensive strains from big name breeders show issues repeatedly. Like, if it's just a one off well shit happens. It could very well be my own fault. All cannabis has the possibility of herming under the right conditions and I'm not exactly easy on plants. But when the same breeder or strain throws nanners over and over again, but they still charge hundreds for their packs... that's no bueno.
Anyways I'm about to chop down the Chem Sis and WiFi 43 plants and compost them because they're absolutely loaded with seeds all of a sudden and I can't even find a nanner or sac anywhere sooooo.... awesome?
What's frustrating to me is when expensive strains from big name breeders show issues repeatedly. Like, if it's just a one off well shit happens. It could very well be my own fault. All cannabis has the possibility of herming under the right conditions and I'm not exactly easy on plants. But when the same breeder or strain throws nanners over and over again, but they still charge hundreds for their packs... that's no bueno.
Anyways I'm about to chop down the Chem Sis and WiFi 43 plants and compost them because they're absolutely loaded with seeds all of a sudden and I can't even find a nanner or sac anywhere sooooo.... awesome?
This looks so much like me for a second I was like... I don't remember doing this!! Fortunately the lack of forearm tattoos made me realize it's just a doppelganger...
Also, what the fuck is going on here lol?
Amos Otis
Weed Legend
Master comics never explain punchlines. I have reasons as well.
Manidoo
In Bloom
Of all the infamously grown and loved Elite's I think 99% of them are Herm prone sadly. From the Chems and the Diesel offspring to the OG &TK and Cookies we see the majority like gg4 are just children of the Herm and really don't always play fairly depending on the environment and more..
Once in a while I too have had a seeded flower and no pollen to be seen and always I have grown these to see if it's stray or just a immaculate conception lol.. Thinking of, SkVA talked about the mysterious Seeds found in the Chem 91 without ever seeing an anther. Truthfully though one can practically sneeze on that old girl and piss her off lol. I've forced her to throw anthers from weeks 4-8 without a lot of work on my own part even though it's pretty weak in pollen count.
Off all of the intersexed plants I've grown it was within Sour Diesel offspring of the Chem that I found what I called the immaculate conception of the seed and I still wonder how, even now , knowing they were always fems when I grew these and typically stable too unless really beaten up and stressed out.
Once in a while I too have had a seeded flower and no pollen to be seen and always I have grown these to see if it's stray or just a immaculate conception lol.. Thinking of, SkVA talked about the mysterious Seeds found in the Chem 91 without ever seeing an anther. Truthfully though one can practically sneeze on that old girl and piss her off lol. I've forced her to throw anthers from weeks 4-8 without a lot of work on my own part even though it's pretty weak in pollen count.
Off all of the intersexed plants I've grown it was within Sour Diesel offspring of the Chem that I found what I called the immaculate conception of the seed and I still wonder how, even now , knowing they were always fems when I grew these and typically stable too unless really beaten up and stressed out.
Lockedin
In Bloom
That or there are a lot more growers getting interested, but not following directions - or not having them at all until it's too late.
Yeah, this Chem Sis had been nothing but a headache and I'd wager money she contributed the pollen but I can't find anything on her! I'm gonna do a real thorough search later tonight though.
InfiniteIndo
In Bloom
After all the off the wall promotional tactics I've seen I'm sure it's out there somewhere lol
Yeah, it's possible, but I feel like I've seen a lot of experienced growers finding herms more frequently the last few months. Not that I'd call myself particularly experienced but I sure have. Most havent caused much damage until this round but it's still frustrating
Jim Dandy
In Bloom
Could we get a closer-up image? it's hard for me to see... Is that a pollen flower? Or did a bug eat the hairs (that happens sometimes with leaf hoppers)?
I try to steer clear of plants that Hem.
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Lockedin
In Bloom
I've only been growing for 1.5 years - researched about 6 months before that - so on forums for about 2 years.
Wondering if the reversal process used to create fem seeds is part of the issue?
Forcing a female to make pollen can't be easy on the plants....
I haven't had an issue since lengthening my dark period. The growmie that gave me those seeds (Strawberry Kush) still herms every grow.
---I have no plans to breed the SK - I don't want to continue worrying about herms.
Some people do believe that but there are plenty of fems that don't herm so who knows?
Most of my intersex issues have come from regs anyways so that may not even apply, although these days cannabis lineage is so damn complicated who knows! Probably something reversed in the lineage somewhere
Willie
🍓 Crush Genetics 🍓
I think it can be an issue. Fems are a matter of convenience. It's hard for me to say that a plant that herms due to lighting issues, growing issues et al is any different a plant being stressed by chenicals..either way the plant is stressed and makes male pollen. Is one stress any different than another? No. Do genetics help? Yes. It's the age old question "would you rather be eaten by a lion or a tiger?"
thenotsoesoteric
American Ninja
I think people forget just how many variables exist in the genetic lottery. So add in poly hybrid x poly hybrid over hundreds of generations of pollen chucking and there is just no escaping intersex traits in seeds.
You'd have to do years of breeding a certain line down to get anything close to commercial vegetable seeds, crop seeds.
You could take 2 strains that display no intersex issues and their offspring could be herm city. Or 2 strains that both herm but offspring don't have as bad of issues etc.
You could also grow out hundreds of a cross's offspring and find no intersex but someone growing seeds from that same batch could get a bunch of intersex issues.
I mean you can definitely help with strong breeding disciplines but shit can always go south.
thenotsoesoteric
American Ninja
With this, not all phenotypes/plants will have intersex issues due to stress like light leaks/nutrients/environmental factors but almost all plants will produce male flowers with chemicals ie silver etc.I think it can be an issue. Fems are a matter of convenience. It's hard for me to say that a plant that herms due to lighting issues, growing issues et al is any different a plant being stressed by chenicals..either way the plant is stressed and makes male pollen. Is one stress any different than another? No. Do genetics help? Yes. It's the age old question "would you rather be eaten by a lion or a tiger?"
Plus that is completely switch the flower set to male vs female where as stressed plants only throw a male flower or a few but still mainly produces female flowers.
Im not sure if that matters but I think the chemical altering of sex is less detrimental to offspring than a plant that stressed and went hermie. Like if a reversed plant doesn't throw male flowers when stressed then it being chemically reversed shouldn't make offspring more likely to herm.
Willie
🍓 Crush Genetics 🍓
I understand the convenience of stressing the plants with chemicals, but I don't buy into that one type of stress is more special than another. My opinion is that a female plant is only going to make one kind of pollen from being stressed and that it doesn't really matter how it was stressed. To refute that, you'll need to show me the different pollens a single plant makes due to which type of stress it received.
There's two kinds of hermies........either stressed or genetic. I'm saying the pollen is no different from a light stress or being chemically induced.
Amos Otis
Weed Legend
OldG
Elite Hobbyist
I have nutted up my garden with inexperience once, or 3 times. Made seeds of 25 varieties from them, grew out 4 or 5 and hermies make a high rate of hermy offspring. There are factors at play
Propensity to intersex is more heavily in the genetics.
I use them for sprout tea now.
I have had a few intersex situations from various seed makers which got me really looking into things and reduce the stress in my grow room. Once the Par is Parfect you are causing stress to bombard them with more photons, apprantly. OR heat or food or say hello to my little friends, fucking pests. Bugs will intersex all but the most stable strains. I actually had 1 strain survive in the centre of all that shit and not seed up.
Rado Doho Cookie Crisp (a cookie cross too, go figure) A REGULAR seed, and i am going to have to run a Grape Geleee soon
I run more regs than ever before and after having SO many seed problems I am running more stable gear in places to get some buds that do not require fine straining. Hash and Dabs are making my stash very useful but its annoying.
Testers are one thing, Completely untested and out to market is happening A LOT and you are going to have intersex, some gear just does not get a long.
As a seed maker though, intersex has a lot to do with condtions and polyhybirds. Its a tough one. When I see growers having the problem and I know they grow well, then I believe it is strains not getting along and, i can get another apple, or grape strain that pack goes in a different tote (the tote of no return).
What it has done is show me to get better glasses and really scope things, and FIX them. And if its ballsy, do i really need it in the garden? Lots of gear wont ball up.
Propensity to intersex is more heavily in the genetics.
I use them for sprout tea now.
I have had a few intersex situations from various seed makers which got me really looking into things and reduce the stress in my grow room. Once the Par is Parfect you are causing stress to bombard them with more photons, apprantly. OR heat or food or say hello to my little friends, fucking pests. Bugs will intersex all but the most stable strains. I actually had 1 strain survive in the centre of all that shit and not seed up.
Rado Doho Cookie Crisp (a cookie cross too, go figure) A REGULAR seed, and i am going to have to run a Grape Geleee soon
I run more regs than ever before and after having SO many seed problems I am running more stable gear in places to get some buds that do not require fine straining. Hash and Dabs are making my stash very useful but its annoying.
Testers are one thing, Completely untested and out to market is happening A LOT and you are going to have intersex, some gear just does not get a long.
As a seed maker though, intersex has a lot to do with condtions and polyhybirds. Its a tough one. When I see growers having the problem and I know they grow well, then I believe it is strains not getting along and, i can get another apple, or grape strain that pack goes in a different tote (the tote of no return).
What it has done is show me to get better glasses and really scope things, and FIX them. And if its ballsy, do i really need it in the garden? Lots of gear wont ball up.
Hoselover Fat
In Bloom
I have an 7/8 sour x bay 11 that I am going to hit with sannies jack........
this might be a problem for some, I will be honest about my concerns BUT could be some serious fire for those inclined to watch the lowers and flower 11 weeks.
I don't sell seeds. BUT would be upfront about concerns with anyone I gave seeds too.
The 7/8 sour had problems with male parts on the lowers. BUT also some of the best daytime smoke I have ever grown
this might be a problem for some, I will be honest about my concerns BUT could be some serious fire for those inclined to watch the lowers and flower 11 weeks.
I don't sell seeds. BUT would be upfront about concerns with anyone I gave seeds too.
The 7/8 sour had problems with male parts on the lowers. BUT also some of the best daytime smoke I have ever grown
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