Cider Kush X18 Heirloom Preservation

[Deebs]

This pack was purchased from the therealseedcompany.

@Buck5050 accepted the challenge, and will be running this preservation! I have provided some basic info in the strain information thread under heirlooms. We will build upon this.

Cider Kush X18 Strain Information

This pack was purchased from therealseedcompany.com Cider Kush (X18) Description Genetics: X18 (Californian – Pakistani Hindu Kush) Type: Pure Indica-type Indoors: c. 63 days Outdoors: mid-October Classification: C. sativa subsp. indica var. afghanica This is a Spanish continuation of the...

phenohunter.org

Many thanks for assisting with this project!

 

[jaguarlax]

Im tuned into this one... Ive had my eye on that Cider Kush for months.

 

[Buck5050]

I appreciate the opportunity.

 

[Buck5050]

Here we have Cider Kush (X18):


Some background information provided -HERE-. Courtesy of this forum.

I've been excited about this opportunity and am very excited to get the ball rolling for the pHenohunter Community Preservation Project. I want to again, thank the staff and others for their generosity.

The crew of experts who magically packed these 5 beans should win an award. This little container could have been smuggled into any high-security prison here in the states with no questions asked. The Thank You card is a nice touch.

All the seeds are looking good after dislodging them from their cotton blanket:


With a 20% mix of h2o2 and Reverse Osmosis water they begin there journey:


We'll give them a day or two in the pool...

 

[Deebs]

Rock On @Buck5050 !

 

[MO_Grow]

This sounds dope as pHuck!! Get it Buck!

 

[DopeDaniel]

Hopefully someone with more insight can enlighten me here.

Having 2 phenos seems to make it impossible for this to be an heirloom strain?

I am under the impression it can take 30 or more filal open pollination pairings to achieve heirloom breeding status, at which point there would be complete uniformity. Supersweet 100 tomatoes don't produce any other type of tomato, if they did they would be hybrids.

I think I posted in other thread about heirloom vs. landrace. Having only see pictures and video of "landrace" fields it looks like there is quite a bit of variation in plant structures. To me this indicates landrace does not equal heirloom.

Is it possible these 2 phenos are distinct enough and their genetics don't intermingle? or is it like a hybrid where the traits are exhibited to varying degrees in the individual offspring?

If they don't intermingle then I could see calling it heirloom but I am no botanist.

 

[Deebs]

Good question. Lets see what we can come up with.

Interesting article.

Heirloom Weed Strains: Should You Try Them?

We take a closer look at exactly what heirloom cannabis strains are, and whether you should be trying to get your hands on some!

wayofleaf.com

 

[DopeDaniel]

If am recalling correctly dates would not exisit without human intervention durring pollination.

If dendro man is resposible for cultivating cannabis 10k years ago then where does landrace exist? It seems the human hand is forever forward involved?

Back to finish the article thanks @Deebs

 

[DopeDaniel]

I think that is where my hangup is. Heirloom cannabis dosen't necessarily meet the strict botanical definition.

Gardening & Seed Saving Terms - SeedSavers

Use this list of terms to expand your understanding of seed saving and gardening. The definitions are drawn from The Seed Garden.

www.seedsavers.org

Is there any guess to the number of open pollenations for this variety?

 

[Buck5050]

Here's a bit more information on the beginning of this strain. Albeit masked in a bit of myth "The original breeder is The Chemist…well, technically the Pakistani tribesmen of generations past, but The Chemist (a friend of Tom Hill) is the one that got it in seed form to California pre-70s, and selectively bred it to heirloom status. From there, it was brought into the mainstream by Tom Hill, who deserves the most credit for keeping and preserving this strain for the masses."

 

[GCG]

Whatever comes out of this it's got my attention. Really intriguing strain to me. Crosses I've had with it involved I've enjoyed, curious to see it on its own.
And I've got nothing for the Heirloom v landrace thing. Other than maybe its heirloom, as in past down through the years. But I don't know shit in this realm. Probably should read @Deebs article, before I wade in.

 

[GCG]

Ya I read it and shouldn't wade in. I got nothing.

 

[GCG]

So the cut I just received is an old blueberry from 78 supposedly. Would that be heirloom? I listed it in my spreadsheet that way. So confused now. Thanks @SSGrower ?

 

[Deebs]

Not saying this is the answer, but from everything I have seen described I would think so GCG (in 8 yrs?). LOL @SSGrower, this is a really good question. Basically stated that lines that are open pollenated, and passed through generations of gardeners unchanged for at least 50 years

There is some variation in how botanists define heirloom plants, but generally speaking, they are cultivars which have remained unchanged for at least 50 years. The seeds of heirloom strains are passed down through generations of gardeners and will produce very similar features between the offspring and parent plants.

Heirloom cannabis strains are ‘open-pollinated’, meaning that they are pollinated naturally. This could be by the wind, birds, or insects, and in some cases, even by human hands. However, heirloom weed differs from ‘landrace’ cannabis strains, a term used to describe marijuana plants that grow in the wild with no interference from humans.

 

[Buck5050]

After soaking in the pool for 24 hours I saw a couple of tails poking out.

Lined them all up in a damp paper towel and stuffed them in a ziplock for another 24.


Awesome to see all five open up and shoot out some longer tails. This is at 48 hours since hitting the water.

With a peat and vermiculite mix,I filled up a seedling tray.

This was taken at 72 hours. One has stood up so far with his helmet still halfway on.

By how fast they sprouted tails I expected them to be a bit farther along. I did notice that the medium is a bit more saturated after 24 hours under light than I was expecting. I ended up moving them to a heating pad set on low to encourage some drying out before they rot.

 

[Buck5050]

This is after a full 96 hours after the seeds took a bath and 24 on a heat mat. The medium is drying out some and most everyone shedding their seeds by themselves. I did have to help the original one with the helmet-head. I was pretty delicate but it looks to stall out a bit.


After another 12 hours, everyone is open up and reaching for the sky, even helmet-head giving it all its got. I'll give them some more time under the soft light and see if we can get the straggler on track before moving under better lighting.

 

[jaguarlax]

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This is after a full 96 hours after the seeds took a bath and 24 on a heat mat. The medium is drying out some and most everyone shedding their seeds by themselves. I did have to help the original one with the helmet-head. I was pretty delicate but it looks to stall out a bit.

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After another 12 hours, everyone is open up and reaching for the sky, even helmet-head giving it all its got. I'll give them some more time under the soft light and see if we can get the straggler on track before moving under better lighting.

hello little bbs.... Ill be joining in on this shortly... see ya at the finish line fren.

 

[Buck5050]

Little Helmet-Head has deviated from the plan and I'm doubting it will make it. Other than that bit of frustration., we are off to the races with the rest of the group.

 

[DopeDaniel]

Reburry it so only green shows, use relativly dry media.