It's all about the pheno on these...Have one with not much stretch at all.. hard greasy nugs..The pheno I like is 2x...maybe a lil less....then a straight spear budding stretcher..They stack big long ass buds with quite a bit branching...all the way up too. They are only in two gal pots and they deplete the shit out of 2 gal...Can't feed em enough in smaller pots.. but I hammer em pretty good....May give one of these cuts to my mom for outdoor next season...I can forsee that pheno being ridiculous outside